Without independence slavery lives !

[Captain Oates 910]

Herman Caine said today that if the US had not gained independence, slavery might still be legal in the USA

Britain made slave trading illegal in 1807

Britain made slavery illegal in 1833

The US Proclaimed slavery to be illegal in 1863

Will the republican candidates of 2012 go down in history as the strangest people in the history of the party (so far)

Is a foreign power (or the democrats) slipping hallucinogens into their lemonade ?

Can anyone agree with him that if the American revolution had failed, then in 2012, a member of the British Commonwealth such as Australia/Canada/New Zealand/America would still be practicing slavery ?

Just to make it controversial, if the Confederate States had won the Civil war, would slavery still be practiced in the South ?

WHEN would slavery have been abolished under scenarios A and B

[^_^ 5,021]

9-9-9.

[rocks 494]

He also thinks smoking cigarettes is cool.

[Danno 1,228]

Here lets take a look at the time line. Seems like Britain played a huge roll.

1700–1800

1701: The Lord Chief Justice rules that a slave became free as soon as he arrived in England.[13]

1723: Russia abolishes outright slavery but retains serfdom.[14]

1761, 12 February: Portugal abolishes slavery[15] in mainland Portugal and in Portuguese possessions in India through a decree by the Marquis of Pombal.

1772: Somersett's case held that no slave could be forcibly removed from Britain. This case was generally taken at the time to have decided that the condition of slavery did not exist under English law in England and Wales, and emancipated the remaining ten to fourteen thousand slaves or possible slaves in England and Wales, who were mostly domestic servants.[16]

1775: Pennsylvania Abolition Society formed in Philadelphia, the first abolition society in America.

1777: Slavery abolished in Madeira, Portugal[17]

1777: Constitution of the Vermont Republic bans slavery.[17]

1780: Pennsylvania passes An Act for the Gradual Abolition of Slavery, freeing future children of slaves. Those born prior to the Act remain enslaved for life. The Act becomes a model for other Northern states. Last slaves freed 1847.[18]

1783: Russia abolishes slavery in Crimean Khanate[19]

1783: Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court rules slavery illegal based on 1780 state constitution. All slaves are immediately freed.[20]

1783: Joseph II, Holy Roman Emperor issued an order abolishing slavery in Bukovina on 19 June 1783 in Czernowitz[21]

1783: New Hampshire begins a gradual abolition of slavery.

1784: Connecticut begins a gradual aboliton of slavery, freeing future children of slaves, and all slaves in [year].[22]

1784: Rhode Island begins a gradual abolition of slavery.

1787: The United States in Congress Assembled passed the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 outlawing any new slavery in the Northwest Territories.

1787: Sierra Leone founded by Britain as colony for emancipated slaves[23]

1787: Society for the Abolition of the Slave Trade founded in Britain[17]

1788: Sir William Dolben's Act regulating the conditions on British slave ships enacted

1792: Denmark-Norway declares transatlantic slave trade illegal after 1803 (though slavery continues in Danish colonies to 1848)[24]

1793: Upper Canada (Ontario) abolishes import of slaves by Act Against Slavery

1794: France abolishes slavery in all its possessions; slavery is restored by Napoleon in 1802.[25]

1799: New York State passes gradual emancipation act freeing future children of slaves, and all slaves in 1827.[26]

1799: The 'Colliers (Scotland) Act 1799' ends the legal slavery of Scottish coal miners that had been established in 1606.[27]

[edit]1800–1849

1802: The First Consul Napoleon re-introduces slavery on French colonies growing sugarcane.[15]

1803: Denmark-Norway abolition of transatlantic slave trade takes effect 1 January 1803

1804: New Jersey begins a gradual abolition of slavery, freeing future children of slaves.[22] Those born prior to the Act remain enslaved for life

1804: Haiti declares independence and abolishes slavery[17]

1805: Britain: bill for Abolition passed in Commons, rejected in the House of Lords.

1807, 2 March: Thomas Jefferson signed the Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves into law in the U.S. which took effect January 1, 1808.

1807, 25 March: Abolition of the Slave Trade Act abolished slave trading in British Empire. Captains fined £120 per slave transported.

1807: British begin patrols of African coast to arrest slaving vessels. West Africa Squadron (Royal Navy) established to suppress slave trading; by 1865, nearly 150,000 people freed by anti-slavery operations[28]

1807: Abolition of serfdom in Prussia through the Stein-Hardenberg Reforms.

1808: In United States, Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves takes effect 1 Jan.[29]

1810: In Mexico, Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla declares slavery abolished. In the following years, during the Mexican War of Independence, gradually comprehensive steps will end slavery in the new country.

1811: Slave trading made a felony in the British Empire punishable by transportation for British subjects and foreigners.

1811: Spain abolishes slavery at home and in all colonies except Cuba,[15] Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo

1811: The First National Congress of Chile approves a proposal drafted by Manuel de Salas that declares the Freedom of wombs, which sets free the sons of slaves born on Chilean territory, no matter the conditions of the parents; it prohibited the slave trade and recognized as freedmen those who, passing in transit through Chilean territory, stayed there for six months.

1813: In Argentina, the Law of Wombs was passed on February 2, by the Assembly of Year XIII. The law stated that those born after January 31, 1813 would be granted freedom when contracting matrimony, or on their 16th birthday for women and 20th for men, and upon their manumission would be given land and tools to work it. In 1853, slavery was completely abolished.

1814: Uruguay, before its independence, declares all those born of slaves in their territories are free from that day forward.

1814: Dutch outlaw slave trade.

1815: British pay Portugal £750,000 to cease their trade north of the Equator[30]

1815: Congress of Vienna. 8 Victorious powers declared their opposition to slavery

1816: Serfdom abolished in Estonia.

1817: Serfdom abolished in Courland.

1817: Spain paid £400,000 by British to cease trade to Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo[30]

1817: New York State sets a date of July 4, 1827 to free all its slaves.[31]

1818: Treaty between Britain and Spain to abolish slave trade [32]

1818: Treaty between Britain and Portugal to abolish slave trade [32]

1818: France and Netherlands abolish slave trading

1818: teaty between Britain and Netherlands to abolish slave trade [32]

1819: Serfdom abolished in Livonia.

1820: Mexico formally abolishes slavery with the Plan of Iguala, proposed by Agustín de Iturbide and ratified the following year by him and the Viceroy, Juan O'Donojú

1820: Compromise of 1820 in U.S. prohibits slavery north of a line (36°30')

1821: Gran Colombia (Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, Panama) declares free the sons and daughters born to slave mothers, sets up program for compensated emancipation [33]

1822: Liberia founded by American Colonization Society (USA) as a colony for emancipated slaves.

1822: Greece abolishes slavery

1823: Chile abolishes slavery[17]

1824: Mexico's new Constitution (1824 Constitution of Mexico) effectively frees existing slaves.

1824: The Federal Republic of Central America abolishes slavery.

1825: Uruguay declares independence from Brazil and prohibits the traffic of slaves from foreign countries.

1827: Treaty between Britain and Sweden to abolish slave trade [32]

1828: New York State abolishes slavery. Children born between 1799 and 1827 are indentured until age 25 (females) or age 28 (males).[34]

1829: Last slaves are freed in Mexico.[17]

1830: Mexican president Anastasio Bustamante orders the abolition of slavery to be implemented also in Mexican Texas. To circumvent the law, many Anglo colonists convert their slaves into "indentured servants for life", and later break away from Mexico - delaying the end of slavery in Texas until 1865.

1830: The first Constitution of Uruguay declares the abolition of slavery.

1831: Bolivia abolishes slavery[17]

1834: The British Slavery Abolition Act comes into force, abolishing slavery throughout most of the British Empire. Legally frees 700,000 in West Indies, 20,000 in Mauritius, 40,000 in South Africa. The exceptions, territories controlled by the Honourable East India Company and Ceylon, were liberated in 1843 when they became part of the British Empire. [35]

1835: Treaty between Britain and France to abolish slave trade [32]

1835: Treaty between Britain and Denmark to abolish slave trade [32]

1836: Portugal abolishes transatlantic slave trade

1838, 1 August: Enslaved men, women and children in the British Empire finally became free after a period of forced apprenticeship following the passing of the Slavery Abolition Act in 1833

1839: British and Foreign Anti-Slavery Society founded, now called Anti-Slavery International

1839: Indian indenture system made illegal (reversed in 1842)

1840: Treaty between Britain and Venezuela to abolish slave trade [32]

1841: Quintuple Treaty is signed; Britain, France, Russia, Prussia, and Austria agree to suppress slave trade[17]

1842: Treaty between Britain and Portugal to extend the enforcement of the ban on slave trade to Portuguese ships sailing south of the Equator.

1843: Honourable East India Company becomes increasingly controlled by Britain and abolishes slavery in India by the Indian Slavery Act V. of 1843.

1843: Treaty between Britain and Uruguay to suppress slave trade [32]

1843: Treaty between Britain and Mexico to suppress slave trade [32]

1843: Treaty between Britain and Chile to suppress slave trade [32]

1843: Treaty between Britain and Bolivia to abolish slave trade [32]

1845: 36 British Royal Navy ships are assigned to the Anti-Slavery Squadron, making it one of the largest fleets in the world.

1846: Under British pressure the Bey Tunisia outlawed the slave trade; the policy was reversed by his successor.[36]

1847: Under British pressure the Ottoman Empire abolishes slave trade from Africa.[37]

1847: Sweden abolishes slavery [38]

1847: Slavery ends in Pennsylvania. Those born before 1780 (fewer than 100 in 1840 Census) are freed.[39]

1848: Slavery abolished in all French and Danish colonies [17][38]

1848: France founds Gabon for settlement of emancipated slaves.

1848: Treaty between Britain and Muscat to suppress slave trade [32]

1849: Treaty between Britain and Persian Gulf states to suppress slave trade [32]

[edit]1850–1899

1850: In the United States, the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850 requires return of escaped slaves

1851: New Granada (Colombia) abolishes slavery[33]

1852: The Hawaiian Kingdom abolishes kauwa system of serfdom.[40]

1853: Argentina abolishes slavery when promulgating the 1853 Constitution

1854: Peru abolishes slavery[17]

1854: Venezuela abolishes slavery[17][33]

1855: Moldavia partially abolishes slavery.[41]

1856: Wallachia partially abolishes slavery.[41]

1860: Indenture system abolished within British-occupied India.

1861: Russia frees its serfs in the Emancipation reform of 1861.[42]

1862: Treaty between United States and Britain for the suppression of the slave trade (African Slave Trade Treaty Act).[32]

1862: Cuba abolishes slave trade[17]

1863: Slavery abolished in Dutch colonies.[43]

1863: In the United States, Abraham Lincoln signs the Emancipation Proclamation which declared slaves in Confederate-controlled areas to be freed. Most slaves in "border states" are freed by state action; separate law freed the slaves in Washington, D.C.

1865: December: U.S. abolishes slavery with the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution; about 40,000 remaining slaves are affected.[44]

1866: Slavery abolished in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma).[45]

1869: Portugal abolishes slavery in the African colonies

1870: U.S. abolishes slavery among Indians in Alaska after purchasing it from Russia in 1867

1871: Brazil Rio Branco Law declares free the sons and daughters born to slave mothers after 28 September 1871.[46]

1873: Slavery abolished in Puerto Rico

1873: Treaty between Britain and Zanzibar and Madagascar to suppress slave trade [32]

1874: Britain abolishes slavery in the Gold Coast (now Ghana), following its annexation in 1874.[47]

1882: Ottoman firman abolishes all forms of slavery, white or black.[48]

1885: Brazil passes Sexagenarian Law freeing all slaves over the age of 60.

1886: Slavery abolished in Cuba[17]

1888: Brazil passes Golden Law, abolishing slavery without indemnities to slaveowners or aid to newly freed slaves.[49]

1890: Brussels Conference Act – a collection of anti-slavery measures to put an end to the slave trade on land and sea especially in the Congo Basin, the Ottoman Empire and the East African coast

1894: Korea officially abolishes slavery, but it survives in practice until 1930.[50]

1896: France abolishes slavery in Madagascar

1897: Zanzibar abolishes slavery[51] following its becoming a British protectorate.

[edit]1900–today

1902: Ethiopian Empire abolishes slavery (though it was not legally and officially abolished by Emperor Haile Selassie in 1942)

1906: China formally abolishes slavery effective 31 January 1910, when all adult slaves were converted into hired labourers and the young were freed upon reaching age 25.[14]

1912: Siam (Thailand), formally abolishes all slavery. The act of selling a person into slavery was abolished in 1897 but slavery itself was not outlawed at that time.[52]

1921: Nepal abolishes slavery[53][54]

1923: Afghanistan abolishes slavery[55]

1922: Morocco abolishes slavery [56]

1924: Iraq abolishes slavery

1924: League of Nations Temporary Slavery Commission

1926, 25 September: Convention to Suppress the Slave Trade and Slaverybound all signatories to end slavery.

1928: Iran abolishes slavery[57]

1928: Domestic slavery practised by local African elites abolished in Sierra Leone[58] Though established as a place for freed slaves, a study found practices of domestic slavery still widespread in rural areas in the 1970s.

1935: Italian General Emilio De Bono proclaims slavery to be abolished in the Ethiopian Empire[59]

1936: Britain abolishes slavery in Northern Nigeria[60]

1945: In the subsequent defeat of Nazi Germany and Japan, workcamps for slave labor (primarily Jewish encampments in Nazi Germany and colonists in Japanese-dominated lands) were gradually closed by the liberators.

1946: Fritz Sauckel, procurer of slave labor for Nazi Germany, convicted at the Nuremberg trials and executed as war criminal.

1948: UN Article 4 of the Declaration of Human Rights bans slavery globally[61]

1952: Qatar abolishes slavery

1959: Slavery in Tibet is abolished by China after the Dalai Lama flees.

1960: Niger abolishes slavery (though it was not made illegal until 2003)[62]

1962: Saudi Arabia abolishes slavery

1962: Yemen abolishes slavery

1963: United Arab Emirates abolishes slavery

1970: Oman abolishes slavery

1981: Mauritania abolishes slavery[63][

[Captain Oates 910]

Here lets take a look at the time line. Seems like Britain played a huge roll.

1700–1800

1701: The Lord Chief Justice rules that a slave became free as soon as he arrived in England.[13]

1723: Russia abolishes outright slavery but retains serfdom.[14]

1761, 12 February: Portugal abolishes slavery[15] in mainland Portugal and in Portuguese possessions in India through a decree by the Marquis of Pombal.

1772: Somersett's case held that no slave could be forcibly removed from Britain. This case was generally taken at the time to have decided that the condition of slavery did not exist under English law in England and Wales, and emancipated the remaining ten to fourteen thousand slaves or possible slaves in England and Wales, who were mostly domestic servants.[16]

1775: Pennsylvania Abolition Society formed in Philadelphia, the first abolition society in America.

1777: Slavery abolished in Madeira, Portugal[17]

1777: Constitution of the Vermont Republic bans slavery.[17]

1780: Pennsylvania passes An Act for the Gradual Abolition of Slavery, freeing future children of slaves. Those born prior to the Act remain enslaved for life. The Act becomes a model for other Northern states. Last slaves freed 1847.[18]

1783: Russia abolishes slavery in Crimean Khanate[19]

1783: Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court rules slavery illegal based on 1780 state constitution. All slaves are immediately freed.[20]

1783: Joseph II, Holy Roman Emperor issued an order abolishing slavery in Bukovina on 19 June 1783 in Czernowitz[21]

1783: New Hampshire begins a gradual abolition of slavery.

1784: Connecticut begins a gradual aboliton of slavery, freeing future children of slaves, and all slaves in [year].[22]

1784: Rhode Island begins a gradual abolition of slavery.

1787: The United States in Congress Assembled passed the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 outlawing any new slavery in the Northwest Territories.

1787: Sierra Leone founded by Britain as colony for emancipated slaves[23]

1787: Society for the Abolition of the Slave Trade founded in Britain[17]

1788: Sir William Dolben's Act regulating the conditions on British slave ships enacted

1792: Denmark-Norway declares transatlantic slave trade illegal after 1803 (though slavery continues in Danish colonies to 1848)[24]

1793: Upper Canada (Ontario) abolishes import of slaves by Act Against Slavery

1794: France abolishes slavery in all its possessions; slavery is restored by Napoleon in 1802.[25]

1799: New York State passes gradual emancipation act freeing future children of slaves, and all slaves in 1827.[26]

1799: The 'Colliers (Scotland) Act 1799' ends the legal slavery of Scottish coal miners that had been established in 1606.[27]

[edit]1800–1849

1802: The First Consul Napoleon re-introduces slavery on French colonies growing sugarcane.[15]

1803: Denmark-Norway abolition of transatlantic slave trade takes effect 1 January 1803

1804: New Jersey begins a gradual abolition of slavery, freeing future children of slaves.[22] Those born prior to the Act remain enslaved for life

1804: Haiti declares independence and abolishes slavery[17]

1805: Britain: bill for Abolition passed in Commons, rejected in the House of Lords.

1807, 2 March: Thomas Jefferson signed the Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves into law in the U.S. which took effect January 1, 1808.

1807, 25 March: Abolition of the Slave Trade Act abolished slave trading in British Empire. Captains fined £120 per slave transported.

1807: British begin patrols of African coast to arrest slaving vessels. West Africa Squadron (Royal Navy) established to suppress slave trading; by 1865, nearly 150,000 people freed by anti-slavery operations[28]

1807: Abolition of serfdom in Prussia through the Stein-Hardenberg Reforms.

1808: In United States, Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves takes effect 1 Jan.[29]

1810: In Mexico, Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla declares slavery abolished. In the following years, during the Mexican War of Independence, gradually comprehensive steps will end slavery in the new country.

1811: Slave trading made a felony in the British Empire punishable by transportation for British subjects and foreigners.

1811: Spain abolishes slavery at home and in all colonies except Cuba,[15] Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo

1811: The First National Congress of Chile approves a proposal drafted by Manuel de Salas that declares the Freedom of wombs, which sets free the sons of slaves born on Chilean territory, no matter the conditions of the parents; it prohibited the slave trade and recognized as freedmen those who, passing in transit through Chilean territory, stayed there for six months.

1813: In Argentina, the Law of Wombs was passed on February 2, by the Assembly of Year XIII. The law stated that those born after January 31, 1813 would be granted freedom when contracting matrimony, or on their 16th birthday for women and 20th for men, and upon their manumission would be given land and tools to work it. In 1853, slavery was completely abolished.

1814: Uruguay, before its independence, declares all those born of slaves in their territories are free from that day forward.

1814: Dutch outlaw slave trade.

1815: British pay Portugal £750,000 to cease their trade north of the Equator[30]

1815: Congress of Vienna. 8 Victorious powers declared their opposition to slavery

1816: Serfdom abolished in Estonia.

1817: Serfdom abolished in Courland.

1817: Spain paid £400,000 by British to cease trade to Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo[30]

1817: New York State sets a date of July 4, 1827 to free all its slaves.[31]

1818: Treaty between Britain and Spain to abolish slave trade [32]

1818: Treaty between Britain and Portugal to abolish slave trade [32]

1818: France and Netherlands abolish slave trading

1818: teaty between Britain and Netherlands to abolish slave trade [32]

1819: Serfdom abolished in Livonia.

1820: Mexico formally abolishes slavery with the Plan of Iguala, proposed by Agustín de Iturbide and ratified the following year by him and the Viceroy, Juan O'Donojú

1820: Compromise of 1820 in U.S. prohibits slavery north of a line (36°30')

1821: Gran Colombia (Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, Panama) declares free the sons and daughters born to slave mothers, sets up program for compensated emancipation [33]

1822: Liberia founded by American Colonization Society (USA) as a colony for emancipated slaves.

1822: Greece abolishes slavery

1823: Chile abolishes slavery[17]

1824: Mexico's new Constitution (1824 Constitution of Mexico) effectively frees existing slaves.

1824: The Federal Republic of Central America abolishes slavery.

1825: Uruguay declares independence from Brazil and prohibits the traffic of slaves from foreign countries.

1827: Treaty between Britain and Sweden to abolish slave trade [32]

1828: New York State abolishes slavery. Children born between 1799 and 1827 are indentured until age 25 (females) or age 28 (males).[34]

1829: Last slaves are freed in Mexico.[17]

1830: Mexican president Anastasio Bustamante orders the abolition of slavery to be implemented also in Mexican Texas. To circumvent the law, many Anglo colonists convert their slaves into "indentured servants for life", and later break away from Mexico - delaying the end of slavery in Texas until 1865.

1830: The first Constitution of Uruguay declares the abolition of slavery.

1831: Bolivia abolishes slavery[17]

1834: The British Slavery Abolition Act comes into force, abolishing slavery throughout most of the British Empire. Legally frees 700,000 in West Indies, 20,000 in Mauritius, 40,000 in South Africa. The exceptions, territories controlled by the Honourable East India Company and Ceylon, were liberated in 1843 when they became part of the British Empire. [35]

1835: Treaty between Britain and France to abolish slave trade [32]

1835: Treaty between Britain and Denmark to abolish slave trade [32]

1836: Portugal abolishes transatlantic slave trade

1838, 1 August: Enslaved men, women and children in the British Empire finally became free after a period of forced apprenticeship following the passing of the Slavery Abolition Act in 1833

1839: British and Foreign Anti-Slavery Society founded, now called Anti-Slavery International

1839: Indian indenture system made illegal (reversed in 1842)

1840: Treaty between Britain and Venezuela to abolish slave trade [32]

1841: Quintuple Treaty is signed; Britain, France, Russia, Prussia, and Austria agree to suppress slave trade[17]

1842: Treaty between Britain and Portugal to extend the enforcement of the ban on slave trade to Portuguese ships sailing south of the Equator.

1843: Honourable East India Company becomes increasingly controlled by Britain and abolishes slavery in India by the Indian Slavery Act V. of 1843.

1843: Treaty between Britain and Uruguay to suppress slave trade [32]

1843: Treaty between Britain and Mexico to suppress slave trade [32]

1843: Treaty between Britain and Chile to suppress slave trade [32]

1843: Treaty between Britain and Bolivia to abolish slave trade [32]

1845: 36 British Royal Navy ships are assigned to the Anti-Slavery Squadron, making it one of the largest fleets in the world.

1846: Under British pressure the Bey Tunisia outlawed the slave trade; the policy was reversed by his successor.[36]

1847: Under British pressure the Ottoman Empire abolishes slave trade from Africa.[37]

1847: Sweden abolishes slavery [38]

1847: Slavery ends in Pennsylvania. Those born before 1780 (fewer than 100 in 1840 Census) are freed.[39]

1848: Slavery abolished in all French and Danish colonies [17][38]

1848: France founds Gabon for settlement of emancipated slaves.

1848: Treaty between Britain and Muscat to suppress slave trade [32]

1849: Treaty between Britain and Persian Gulf states to suppress slave trade [32]

[edit]1850–1899

1850: In the United States, the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850 requires return of escaped slaves

1851: New Granada (Colombia) abolishes slavery[33]

1852: The Hawaiian Kingdom abolishes kauwa system of serfdom.[40]

1853: Argentina abolishes slavery when promulgating the 1853 Constitution

1854: Peru abolishes slavery[17]

1854: Venezuela abolishes slavery[17][33]

1855: Moldavia partially abolishes slavery.[41]

1856: Wallachia partially abolishes slavery.[41]

1860: Indenture system abolished within British-occupied India.

1861: Russia frees its serfs in the Emancipation reform of 1861.[42]

1862: Treaty between United States and Britain for the suppression of the slave trade (African Slave Trade Treaty Act).[32]

1862: Cuba abolishes slave trade[17]

1863: Slavery abolished in Dutch colonies.[43]

1863: In the United States, Abraham Lincoln signs the Emancipation Proclamation which declared slaves in Confederate-controlled areas to be freed. Most slaves in "border states" are freed by state action; separate law freed the slaves in Washington, D.C.

1865: December: U.S. abolishes slavery with the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution; about 40,000 remaining slaves are affected.[44]

1866: Slavery abolished in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma).[45]

1869: Portugal abolishes slavery in the African colonies

1870: U.S. abolishes slavery among Indians in Alaska after purchasing it from Russia in 1867

1871: Brazil Rio Branco Law declares free the sons and daughters born to slave mothers after 28 September 1871.[46]

1873: Slavery abolished in Puerto Rico

1873: Treaty between Britain and Zanzibar and Madagascar to suppress slave trade [32]

1874: Britain abolishes slavery in the Gold Coast (now Ghana), following its annexation in 1874.[47]

1882: Ottoman firman abolishes all forms of slavery, white or black.[48]

1885: Brazil passes Sexagenarian Law freeing all slaves over the age of 60.

1886: Slavery abolished in Cuba[17]

1888: Brazil passes Golden Law, abolishing slavery without indemnities to slaveowners or aid to newly freed slaves.[49]

1890: Brussels Conference Act – a collection of anti-slavery measures to put an end to the slave trade on land and sea especially in the Congo Basin, the Ottoman Empire and the East African coast

1894: Korea officially abolishes slavery, but it survives in practice until 1930.[50]

1896: France abolishes slavery in Madagascar

1897: Zanzibar abolishes slavery[51] following its becoming a British protectorate.

[edit]1900–today

1902: Ethiopian Empire abolishes slavery (though it was not legally and officially abolished by Emperor Haile Selassie in 1942)

1906: China formally abolishes slavery effective 31 January 1910, when all adult slaves were converted into hired labourers and the young were freed upon reaching age 25.[14]

1912: Siam (Thailand), formally abolishes all slavery. The act of selling a person into slavery was abolished in 1897 but slavery itself was not outlawed at that time.[52]

1921: Nepal abolishes slavery[53][54]

1923: Afghanistan abolishes slavery[55]

1922: Morocco abolishes slavery [56]

1924: Iraq abolishes slavery

1924: League of Nations Temporary Slavery Commission

1926, 25 September: Convention to Suppress the Slave Trade and Slaverybound all signatories to end slavery.

1928: Iran abolishes slavery[57]

1928: Domestic slavery practised by local African elites abolished in Sierra Leone[58] Though established as a place for freed slaves, a study found practices of domestic slavery still widespread in rural areas in the 1970s.

1935: Italian General Emilio De Bono proclaims slavery to be abolished in the Ethiopian Empire[59]

1936: Britain abolishes slavery in Northern Nigeria[60]

1945: In the subsequent defeat of Nazi Germany and Japan, workcamps for slave labor (primarily Jewish encampments in Nazi Germany and colonists in Japanese-dominated lands) were gradually closed by the liberators.

1946: Fritz Sauckel, procurer of slave labor for Nazi Germany, convicted at the Nuremberg trials and executed as war criminal.

1948: UN Article 4 of the Declaration of Human Rights bans slavery globally[61]

1952: Qatar abolishes slavery

1959: Slavery in Tibet is abolished by China after the Dalai Lama flees.

1960: Niger abolishes slavery (though it was not made illegal until 2003)[62]

1962: Saudi Arabia abolishes slavery

1962: Yemen abolishes slavery

1963: United Arab Emirates abolishes slavery

1970: Oman abolishes slavery

1981: Mauritania abolishes slavery[63][

That is an impressive list

Saudi Arabia still practiced slavery covertly when I was there in 1981

Nobody knows how it would have progressed if the American revolution had failed or the civil war had been won by the South, but how do people see the timeline ?

Would abolition have progressed quicker in the continuing colonies in the early 1800's , and how long would it have lasted in the south if the south had won

[JohnR! 5,495]

Herman Caine said today that if the US had not gained independence, slavery might still be legal in the USA

Can anyone agree with him that if the American revolution had failed, then in 2012, a member of the British Commonwealth such as Australia/Canada/New Zealand/America would still be practicing slavery ?

It goes without saying that Herman Cain constantly tries to get the attention from the public with inflammatory rhetoric. He has been overlooked for the presidential ticket and has fallen into the shadows, so he is fighting for the remainder of his 15 minutes of fame.

Having said that, I also believe that were the revolution of 1776 not successful, chances are that America today would be an extension of Canada, with borders with France and a longer border with the Mexican states of Alta California and Texas, to name only a couple.

Having said that however you must remember that there is more to the British Commonwealth, than AU/CA/NZ. In fact when you look at the list of countries comprised in the organization, it becomes obvious they should aptly rename it 'the British Commondearth'.

source: http://www.royal.gov...mmonwealth.aspx

List of former/current subjects to the British empire:

Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, The Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belize, Botswana, Brunei, Cameroon, Canada, Cyprus, Dominica, Fiji, Gambia, Ghana, Grenada, Guyana, India, Jamaica, Kenya, Kiribati, Lesotho, Malawi, Malaysia, The Maldives, Malta, Mauritius, Mozambique, Namibia, Nauru, New Zealand, Nigeria, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, Rwanda, St. Christopher and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Solomon Islands, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Swaziland, Tanzania, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, United Kingdom, Uganda, Vanuatu, Zambia.

Edited July 6, 2012 by Gegel

[Captain Oates 910]

It goes without saying that Herman Cain constantly tries to get the attention from the public with inflammatory rhetoric. He has been overlooked for the presidential ticket and has fallen into the shadows, so he is fighting for the remainder of his 15 minutes of fame.

Having said that, I also believe that were the revolution of 1776 not successful, chances are that America today would be an extension of Canada, with borders with France and a longer border with the Mexican states of Alta California and Texas, to name only a couple.

Having said that however you must remember that there is more to the British Commonwealth, than AU/CA/NZ. In fact when you look at the list of countries comprised in the organization, it becomes obvious they should aptly rename it 'the British Commondearth'.

source: http://www.royal.gov...mmonwealth.aspx

List of former/current subjects to the British empire:

Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, The Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belize, Botswana, Brunei, Cameroon, Canada, Cyprus, Dominica, Fiji, Gambia, Ghana, Grenada, Guyana, India, Jamaica, Kenya, Kiribati, Lesotho, Malawi, Malaysia, The Maldives, Malta, Mauritius, Mozambique, Namibia, Nauru, New Zealand, Nigeria, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, Rwanda, St. Christopher and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Solomon Islands, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Swaziland, Tanzania, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, United Kingdom, Uganda, Vanuatu, Zambia.

I was with you up to the "France" bit, because if the Americans had not been revolting, the 13 colonies plus Brit Canadians would have incorporated the French into the whole (using only English in government).

I reckon the Brits would have had 'temporary' exemptions for the South, so it might still have been 1860 ish before they finally banned it totally

If the South had won the civil war, the white house would have been turned into a Protestant version of the Vatican and the (Con) Fed Government moved to Richmond - the world would have put sanctions on the south around 1900 (much like Iran sanctions) and forced them into abolition. Slavery would then have gone underground or continued as indentured contracted labor until the late 1920's

Caine is an interesting character - a mixture of sly and ingenious intelligence and intellectual dumbness - very much like Sarah

Edited July 6, 2012 by Ashud Cocoa

[Danno 1,228]

That is an impressive list

Saudi Arabia still practiced slavery covertly when I was there in 1981

Nobody knows how it would have progressed if the American revolution had failed or the civil war had been won by the South, but how do people see the timeline ?

Would abolition have progressed quicker in the continuing colonies in the early 1800's , and how long would it have lasted in the south if the south had won

Had the South won the Civil war it would not have changed this evolution in the understanding that one person has no right to own another. The intervention speeds the process up a bit but often at a huge price, in this case well over half a million men were killed to essentially turn over Blacks (and whites) to slave like conditions as sharecroppers in a broken economy. Advancement in mechanization alone would have sealed it's fate combined with the evolution of understanding.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Caine is an interesting character - a mixture of sly and ingenious intelligence and intellectual dumbness - very much like Sarah

Touche!

:rofl:

You betcha!!!!!!!!!!

[Darnell 8,478]

Can anyone agree with him that if the American revolution had failed, then in 2012, a member of the British Commonwealth such as Australia/Canada/New Zealand/America would still be practicing slavery

I can agree, as the Dukes governing the different 'states' and commonwealths in America would make a grand stand for 'why to keep it', and that stance would be maintained ..

as for 'when' it might have gotten repealed, due to the 'shift of landmass ownership' , that's anyone's guess - but the UK would not have done it in 1833.

I don't see it being maintained through to 2012, though. Most depends on how land title might have been granted, and if Texas wasn't an independent nation... Lots of variables to shift and sift, though.

[Captain Oates 910]

Can anyone agree with him that if the American revolution had failed, then in 2012, a member of the British Commonwealth such as Australia/Canada/New Zealand/America would still be practicing slavery

I can agree, as the Dukes governing the different 'states' and commonwealths in America would make a grand stand for 'why to keep it', and that stance would be maintained ..

as for 'when' it might have gotten repealed, due to the 'shift of landmass ownership' , that's anyone's guess - but the UK would not have done it in 1833.

I don't see it being maintained through to 2012, though. Most depends on how land title might have been granted, and if Texas wasn't an independent nation... Lots of variables to shift and sift, though.

Britain did repeal slavery before the US, but its possible they did that just to get up the nose of the US.

I guess we will never know but liberalism of all kinds relentlessly progressed in Britain and the US always followed eventually, so I speculate that the events in the US (as a continuing colony) would have progressed very much as they have, but 30 to 50 years behind

Slavery (gone)

Votes for Women (established)

Pensions/Welfare ( (established)

Executions (diminishing now)

No Health care (Slowly disappearing now)

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Slavery has ended?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

That is an impressive list

Saudi Arabia still practiced slavery covertly when I was there in 1981

Nobody knows how it would have progressed if the American revolution had failed or the civil war had been won by the South, but how do people see the timeline ?

Would abolition have progressed quicker in the continuing colonies in the early 1800's , and how long would it have lasted in the south if the south had won

Had the revolution not occurred in the 18th century, I think Colonial abolition might have caused a revolution on its own, but would the northern colonies have joined?

Had the south won the civil war you would have seen a slow decline in slavery that would have continued at least into the 20th century. While some of the south's agriculture has changed through industrialization, there are many crops still picked by hand today. Also, with no real industrial centers in the south, the process of industrialization, itself, would have been slow. I'd probably date the outlawing of slaves in the south at some point between or shortly after the world wars.

Just my take.

Edited July 9, 2012 by Sousuke

[Darnell 8,478]

Britain did repeal slavery before the US, but its possible they did that just to get up the nose of the US.

I thought you were making a point, earlier.

To help with that point, I gave a discrete data point - I guess you missed it? Perhaps it was too discrete?

Here it is again, with another example...

IF The Crown had not lost America, then the NEED for slaves would have increased as the land grab moved west. The Duke governing South Carolina, for Example, would have expanded his lands westward and would have more slaves as his need for slaves increased. More Land? Need More Slaves. Not have enough produced locally? More Imports to meet the demand.

OK - end of the example on that discrete data point.

[Captain Oates 910]

I thought you were making a point, earlier.

To help with that point, I gave a discrete data point - I guess you missed it? Perhaps it was too discrete?

Here it is again, with another example...

IF The Crown had not lost America, then the NEED for slaves would have increased as the land grab moved west. The Duke governing South Carolina, for Example, would have expanded his lands westward and would have more slaves as his need for slaves increased. More Land? Need More Slaves. Not have enough produced locally? More Imports to meet the demand.

OK - end of the example on that discrete data point.

If it always comes back to the money, then that scenario works but commercial interests and expansionism would have been the same whether the owner was A Duke or a Mitt Romney type. Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.

However, in the old olden days, unlike today, some people had a moral perspective. Lincoln, William Wilberforce, John Brown etc, so I am not sure that commercial interests would have triumphed.

Also, the industrial revolution had been born in the North of England, so the need for agricultural hand labor was set to reduce year by year forever more

Also, 'sanctions' against the USA would have been likely from the first world as time went on. It would not have been a strong factor in the early days- after all the disruption to the cotton trade in the civil war was a big reason for Britain to interfere on the side of the confederacy

All in all, if the war of independence (the illegal armed insurrection) had failed, the timetable to abolition might have panned out more or less as it did with the competing factors being larger - but equal and opposite

Edited July 10, 2012 by Ashud Cocoa