I was waiting for theLiberal Members to post this

[Darnell 8,478]

So it is irrelevant whatever I might do to piss you off or make you fearful of me, if you throw a punch I can take you out right then and there!

Welcome to Texas ! That's how it works, here.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

You know what went down as well as everyone else. The deceased was talking to a women on a cell phone. He wanted to score points with her. Show her he was a big man about town. Told her "This guy is giving me no respect". He is dissing me. He goes up to Zimmerman to put a few moves coach taught him from football and cold cocks him.Down zimmerman goes and is jumped upon. His head is being smacked against the cement curve.He made a fatal error in judgment. He assulted a man with a gun. This case should be written up as a sucide for attacking a man with a gun.

The man with the gun put himself in the position to get a righteous beat down is the scenario. Nobody alive knows what you claim 'everyone' knows, only the shooter who's directly responsible by his own actions for putting himself in a position where he needed to become a pansy with a gun.

Martin had no duty to retreat either, he simply wasn't armed with a gun.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Is it "self-defense" when your actions directly caused a physical confrontation? One you end, when it turns out you're a glass jawed panty-waste, with deadly gunfire to stop the beating you brougt on yourself?

you should be a counselor @ a battered woman's center....'guess you shoulda opened the beer you brought him'

[Obama 2012 1,714]

The man with the gun put himself in the position to get a righteous beat down is the scenario. Nobody alive knows what you claim 'everyone' knows, only the shooter who's directly responsible by his own actions for putting himself in a position where he needed to become a pansy with a gun.

Martin had no duty to retreat either, he simply wasn't armed with a gun.

Wrong.

The 17 year old had a duty not to confront his alleged stalker. What he should have done is call the police himself. He had a phone on him. He could have called 911 and said "someone is following me." Instead he turns around, starts following Zimmerman and confronts him. Lest you forget that Zimmerman LOST Martin and started going back to his car.

The young punk followed Zimmererman and then assaulted him. The kid got what he had coming for being an idiot. Perhaps if momma had taught him to call the cops or to steer away from trouble, he might be alive today.

[웃 910]

In my neck of the woods if you call the police (even if you dial 911 and hang up immediately) they will be at your house within 5 minutes.

Zimmerman had no reason to play police officer.

The professionals were minutes away from harassing Martin for walking in his neighborhood armed with a pop and skittles.

Zimmerman phoned the police almost 50 times within 1 year. That proves that he is not all there mentally. He must have dialed 911 every time he heard a neighborhood dog barking.

All the gun freaks on here think that Martin was 1 minute minute away (police were minutes away) from killing 250 pound Zimmerman with his bare hands.

He had to resort to murder as self defense because the police were NOT on there way, and NOT seconds away from arriving. And Zimmerman was "so close" to being killed.

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[B_J 2,752]

Wrong.

The 17 year old had a duty not to confront his alleged stalker. What he should have done is call the police himself. He had a phone on him. He could have called 911 and said "someone is following me." Instead he turns around, starts following Zimmerman and confronts him. Lest you forget that Zimmerman LOST Martin and started going back to his car.

The young punk followed Zimmererman and then assaulted him. The kid got what he had coming for being an idiot. Perhaps if momma had taught him to call the cops or to steer away from trouble, he might be alive today.

Slight correction.

It's fine for Martin to confront Zimmerman. He could walk up to him and ask why he's being followed. Both had a right to be in the neighborhood and both have the right to approach the other and ask them questions.

It's when Martin started beating on Zimmerman that there was a problem and that is the reason why Martin dead.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The injuries were obviously self-inflicted.

Injuries to the hands can be construed as defensive wounds, or when Martin fell onto the pavement, after being shot. (Martin was found face down). If any debris are found on his knuckles, that would be indicative of how the wounds occurred.

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[SMOKE 1,426]

The injuries were obviously self-inflicted.

Injuries to the hands can be construed as defensive wounds, or when Martin fell onto the pavement, after being shot. (Martin was found face down). If any debris are found on his knuckles, that would be indicative of how the wounds occurred.

have you ever seen someone brace their fall or block an attack w/ closed fists? yah me neither.

[chaine1 116]

Why has this Zimmerman-Martin story turned into some kind of vitriolic 'conservatives are stupid, liberals are idiots' conversation? Maybe I've been out of the USA too long, but I don't get it. Doesn't everyone (news media included) have better things to do than politicize the death of a teenager? Right or wrong, the violent death a teenager is still a sad event, and at least deserves an investigation. The truth, as always, likely lies somewhere in the middle.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Why has this Zimmerman-Martin story turned into some kind of vitriolic 'conservatives are stupid, liberals are idiots' conversation? Maybe I've been out of the USA too long, but I don't get it. Doesn't everyone (news media included) have better things to do than politicize the death of a teenager? Right or wrong, the violent death a teenager is still a sad event, and at least deserves an investigation. The truth, as always, likely lies somewhere in the middle.

The truth is Zimmerman should have had his day in court, and he has a right claim self defense, and if found innocent in court, that's fine.

He should not have the right to be let go without charges because a stand your ground law, because we all know that he was the aggressor to some extent. To what extent, we will probably never know. Zimmerman is now the only one who can reconstruct the entire timeline of events, but it obviously wasn't a case of "I was minding my own business and was attacked and had to resort to lethal force".

If he had been charged initially, none of this would have happened. Just like the hundreds of other cases we never really hear about.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

have you ever seen someone brace their fall or block an attack w/ closed fists?

Yes. Were you ever on a football team, especially as an offensive lineman?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

How do Zimmerman's injuries prove that he was not the aggressor in that situation? He admitted to following Martin. For no reason. Martin only had fists, he didn't get the pleasure of bringing a gun to this fight. So because, during some part of this altercation, Martin threw some punches means he deserved to be shot dead in the street?

Couldn't Zimmerman's injuries prove Martin's the one who tried to defend himself?

Why has this Zimmerman-Martin story turned into some kind of vitriolic 'conservatives are stupid, liberals are idiots' conversation? Maybe I've been out of the USA too long, but I don't get it. Doesn't everyone (news media included) have better things to do than politicize the death of a teenager? Right or wrong, the violent death a teenager is still a sad event, and at least deserves an investigation. The truth, as always, likely lies somewhere in the middle.

Who knows. I haven't been in the USA long enough to understand it, I don't think. It's impossible to have a discussion without bringing up the political side of things, it seems. I guess because I side with the Trayvon Martin side of things, with the little facts I know ... it means I'm a liberal, or it means I'm like Al Sharpton, or something equally ridiculous.

To some people, everything's proof of some kind of agenda. I haven't figured it out.

Edited May 16, 2012 by Coconuts

[Obama 2012 1,714]

How do Zimmerman's injuries prove that he was not the aggressor in that situation? He admitted to following Martin. For no reason. Martin only had fists, he didn't get the pleasure of bringing a gun to this fight. So because, during some part of this altercation, Martin threw some punches means he deserved to be shot dead in the street?

Couldn't Zimmerman's injuries prove Martin's the one who tried to defend himself?

Following him for no reason? You're a neighborhood watchman. Someone strange who you've never seen before it walking through your neighborhood hiding their face, you aren't the least bit concerned? He had reason to follow him and see where he was going. - Also Martin's wounds were his fists and the gunshot wound, meaning that Zimmererman didn't touch Martin.

Zimmerman's wounds match Zimmerman's story, not what the media tried to spin it was being. We can argue this all day long, but the evidence points towards Zimmerman telling the truth in what happened (as of this point in time). Unless the prosectution has something huge in store, they're on a sinking ship without a paddle.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Yes. Were you ever on a football team, especially as an offensive lineman?

yes and yes that position. wrestled all through school, competed in several judo tournaments..etc. no, noone ever breaks their fall w/ a clinched fist. ever.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Following him for no reason? You're a neighborhood watchman. Someone strange who you've never seen before it walking through your neighborhood hiding their face, you aren't the least bit concerned? He had reason to follow him and see where he was going. - Also Martin's wounds were his fists and the gunshot wound, meaning that Zimmererman didn't touch Martin.

Zimmerman's wounds match Zimmerman's story, not what the media tried to spin it was being. We can argue this all day long, but the evidence points towards Zimmerman telling the truth in what happened (as of this point in time). Unless the prosectution has something huge in store, they're on a sinking ship without a paddle.

A neighborhood watchman doesn't track down suspicious people and confront them. They call the police. Which Zimmerman did, admittedly, but continued to follow the kid afterwards. Zimmerman isn't a cop, he's a freaking volunteer WATCHMAN. What part of that gives him the right to patrol a neighborhood with a gun and follow people and interrogate them?

I know if someone seemingly random guy on the street started following me first in his car, then on foot, I'd be pretty concerned.

I might even freak out and throw a punch or two if I were close enough to be able to. Does that make ME the aggressor or the person who is following me?

Edited May 16, 2012 by Coconuts