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Hi there,

I am a US citizen married to my first cousin(married in December 2010). I am well aware majority of the states in the USA do not permit and the one that do permit have some kind of limitations. I reside in the state of Illinois. I did not see any where in the instructions of I-130 that USCIS does not recognize first cousin marriage. I have already filed my I-130 application. The country that I got married permits first cousin marriage. We both also common surname.

Will my application for I-130 be denied at USCIS or at the consulate because of the above sole fact?

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have u done your research? that's a tough one. USCIS might think u married him to bring your family member to the states, which will then cause the denial..


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I have no idea what will happen with your case. But if you got a gay marriage in another country that allowed it you would not be granted a visa because the US government for the most part does not recognize it. I think the same will apply here.


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have u done your research? that's a tough one. USCIS might think u married him to bring your family member to the states, which will then cause the denial..

This is a non-issue except as it relates to the bona fides at the visa interview.

USCIS doesn't care (in a visa process) whether the marriage was for an immigration benefit only, until after a Consular officer has determined that fact. They'll approve a petition for a first cousin marriage provided the questions on the I-130 were answered honestly and you otherwise qualify. The I-129F for a fiancee asks if you and your fiancee are related. The I-130 does not. Yes, there may be some additional scrutiny of the relationship bona fides at the visa interview.

A fiance visa will be granted to a first cousin couple who plans to marry in a US jurisdiction that allows it. US States recognize marriages performed in other states between man and wife. US States recognize marriages legally performed in other countries between one man and one wife.


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From what I understand of your post we may face strict questioning but it is not a reason for denial? as US States recognize marriages legally performed in other countries between one man and one wife.

That's correct. How much more questioning would depend on the cultural normality of first cousin marriages in your spouse's country of origin. Please update your profile to show that data.


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This is a good web site about cousin marriage. You might be able to find someone there with more information about immigration implications. Good luck!

http://www.cousincouples.com/


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Additionally, the adjudicators manual at USCIS states the following:

© Marriage Between Close Relatives .

In some foreign countries, and some states in the United States, marriages between close relatives (e.g., cousins) are permitted under certain circumstances. In cases where such marriages do not offend the laws of the state where the parties reside, the marriage will be recognized for immigration purposes.

So in this situation it depends on the state where you will live.


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Additionally, the adjudicators manual at USCIS states the following:

So in this situation it depends on the state where you will live.

Since all US States recognize first cousin marriages performed in other places, it really DOESN'T depend on the state in a spouse visa case. It does in a fiancee visa case though.


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In Sweden it is legally possible to marry your half-sibling. Although I don't know of any cases in which such a couple then applied for a US immigration visa, if the couple is opposite-sex then the marriage might be fine for USCIS purposes (because it was legal in the country in which it was performed). However, a same-sex marriage of any type may run into DOMA ("Defense Of Marriage Act") problems. :bonk: DOMA is currently under legal attack by civil rights organizations, though, and it may well collapse completely prior to the conclusion of your visa processing. :thumbs: If it doesn't, then you can contact the local ACLU and other interested organizations to add your newly filed federal lawsuit to the existing series of legal attacks on DOMA in federal court. :star:

Also, there may well be state law to the effect that your out-of-state marriage will be recognized even if it could not be legally performed in that state. :thumbs: Example - New York state case law (from its Supreme Court) legally recognizes uncle-niece marriages performed outside the state, even though such a marriage could not be legally done inside the state. :star:

However, if there is case law to the contrary - for example, a state Supreme Court ruling that half-sibling marriages legally performed elsewhere are not recognized by that state, then the marriage would "offend the laws" of that state and thus USCIS would not accept it.

It is also possible that the case law is murky on this point. In that situation, if USCIS gives you trouble, contact civil rights organizations (ACLU, etc.) and file suit in state court. :star:

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2010-08-29 Our first email exchange on dating site OKCupid.com
2010-11-25 Our marriage at Bang Rak Ampher (the "Ampher of Love")
2010-12-04 CR-1 visa application mailed: 1st Class Certified Mail
2010-12-06 CR-1 app delivery to Chicago Lockbox (USPS.com)
2010-12-13 Emailed notification from Chicago Lockbox
2010-12-14 Check Cashed (I-130 Application Fee - $420.00)
2010-12-17 NOA1 arrives from CSC (dated 12/10, postmarked 12/14)
2011-02-15 Our NOA1 Case Number shows up on USCIS.gov
2011-04-25 Emailed notification - NOA2
2011-04-30 NOA2 arrives from CSC (via US Postal Service)
2011-05-13 Petitioner's NVC "NOA1" (NVC Case #, DS-3032, IIN) arrives via USPS
2011-05-16 Emailed signed & dated DS-3032 form to NVC
2011-05-18 "Affidavit of Support" filing fee paid online ($88.00)
2011-05-20 "Immigrant Visa" filing fee paid online ($404.00)
2011-05-24 Emailed notification - DS-3032 accepted
2011-06-07 Aff of Support & DS-230 mailed: 1st Class Certified Mail
2011-07-02 NVC sends DS-230 checklist requesting docs they already received
2011-07-21 "Sign In Failed" at NVC's Immigrant Visa Invoice Payment Center
2011-07-25 NVC emails a "Checklist Cover Letter" saying "Case Complete"
2011-07-30 NVC emails Visa Interview Appointment at Bangkok Embassy
2011-09-15 CR-1 VISA APPROVED!!!
2011-09-19 Received sealed visa envelope (CR-1 visa, medical evidence, etc.)
2011-10-06 Port of Entry - Los Angeles International Airport
2011-10-18 Social Security Number received (the physical SS card arrived 2011-10-20)
2011-10-27 Green Card received (via US Postal Service)
2013-07-08 Removal Of Conditions (I-751) mailed (arrived VSC 07-11, $590 ck cashed 07-16)
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2013-07-22 Received Biometrics appointment letter for 8/14/13.
2013-11-14 10-YEAR GREEN CARD APPROVED!!!

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Wow, here's a timely news article!!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/23/gaymarriage-obama-idUSN2317960520110223

Obama pulls defense for law banning gay marriage

Justice Dept will not defend gay marriage law in courts

WASHINGTON, Feb 23 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama has determined that a federal law that barred gay marriages was unconstitutional and told government lawyers to stop defending it, the U.S. Justice Department said on Wednesday, a major reversal that quickly angered conservatives.

A U.S. judge in Boston ruled in 2010 that a key provision of the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) banning gay marriages was unconstitutional, but the Obama administration appealed, stating that it was obligated to defend U.S. laws. [...]

The decision by Obama to drop support for the law in federal courts came after he received a recommendation from Attorney General Eric Holder, who had conducted a detailed review over the past several weeks.

"While both the wisdom and the legality of Section 3 of DOMA will continue to be the subject of both extensive litigation and public debate, this administration will no longer assert its constitutionality in court," Holder said in a statement. [...]


2010-08-29 Our first email exchange on dating site OKCupid.com
2010-11-25 Our marriage at Bang Rak Ampher (the "Ampher of Love")
2010-12-04 CR-1 visa application mailed: 1st Class Certified Mail
2010-12-06 CR-1 app delivery to Chicago Lockbox (USPS.com)
2010-12-13 Emailed notification from Chicago Lockbox
2010-12-14 Check Cashed (I-130 Application Fee - $420.00)
2010-12-17 NOA1 arrives from CSC (dated 12/10, postmarked 12/14)
2011-02-15 Our NOA1 Case Number shows up on USCIS.gov
2011-04-25 Emailed notification - NOA2
2011-04-30 NOA2 arrives from CSC (via US Postal Service)
2011-05-13 Petitioner's NVC "NOA1" (NVC Case #, DS-3032, IIN) arrives via USPS
2011-05-16 Emailed signed & dated DS-3032 form to NVC
2011-05-18 "Affidavit of Support" filing fee paid online ($88.00)
2011-05-20 "Immigrant Visa" filing fee paid online ($404.00)
2011-05-24 Emailed notification - DS-3032 accepted
2011-06-07 Aff of Support & DS-230 mailed: 1st Class Certified Mail
2011-07-02 NVC sends DS-230 checklist requesting docs they already received
2011-07-21 "Sign In Failed" at NVC's Immigrant Visa Invoice Payment Center
2011-07-25 NVC emails a "Checklist Cover Letter" saying "Case Complete"
2011-07-30 NVC emails Visa Interview Appointment at Bangkok Embassy
2011-09-15 CR-1 VISA APPROVED!!!
2011-09-19 Received sealed visa envelope (CR-1 visa, medical evidence, etc.)
2011-10-06 Port of Entry - Los Angeles International Airport
2011-10-18 Social Security Number received (the physical SS card arrived 2011-10-20)
2011-10-27 Green Card received (via US Postal Service)
2013-07-08 Removal Of Conditions (I-751) mailed (arrived VSC 07-11, $590 ck cashed 07-16)
2013-07-18 Received NOA1 (I-751) with receipt date 07/12/2013
2013-07-22 Received Biometrics appointment letter for 8/14/13.
2013-11-14 10-YEAR GREEN CARD APPROVED!!!

2015-10-03 Mailed N-400 to Dallas via Standard Post ($680.00)

2015-11-16 Received NOA1 (I-797C) with receipt date 11/06/2015

2015-12-12 Received NOA2 (I-797C) with Biometrics date 12/23/15

2016-03-16 N-400 Interview Letter

2016-05-03 N-400 Interview (RFE'd with N-14 for 1st name change documentation)

2016-05-20 RFE'd again 4 documentation of 2nd name change; provided it; N-400 APPROVED!!

2016-05-27 Notification: "In Line For Oath Ceremony"

2016-06-17 Naturalized (with a name change) by Judicial Ceremony in Fort Lauderdale, FL!

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Please note the the subject of this thread is "First Cousin Marriage". References to Uncle, niece or same sex marriages are not applicable.


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the adjudicators manual at USCIS states the following:

Marriage Between Close Relatives

In some foreign countries, and some states in the United States, marriages between close relatives (e.g., cousins) are permitted under certain circumstances. In cases where such marriages do not offend the laws of the state where the parties reside, the marriage will be recognized for immigration purposes.

The applicable section of the Adjudicator's Manual (as quoted above by missaero) is not specialized to cousin couples, but rather speaks more generally about "Close Relatives". Thus my analysis fully covered that category, in order to help VJers to correctly understand this legally interesting immigration topic. Also, please note that the original topic-creating message from Frank G did not specify whether Frank G's cousin spouse was of the same sex or of the opposite sex.


2010-08-29 Our first email exchange on dating site OKCupid.com
2010-11-25 Our marriage at Bang Rak Ampher (the "Ampher of Love")
2010-12-04 CR-1 visa application mailed: 1st Class Certified Mail
2010-12-06 CR-1 app delivery to Chicago Lockbox (USPS.com)
2010-12-13 Emailed notification from Chicago Lockbox
2010-12-14 Check Cashed (I-130 Application Fee - $420.00)
2010-12-17 NOA1 arrives from CSC (dated 12/10, postmarked 12/14)
2011-02-15 Our NOA1 Case Number shows up on USCIS.gov
2011-04-25 Emailed notification - NOA2
2011-04-30 NOA2 arrives from CSC (via US Postal Service)
2011-05-13 Petitioner's NVC "NOA1" (NVC Case #, DS-3032, IIN) arrives via USPS
2011-05-16 Emailed signed & dated DS-3032 form to NVC
2011-05-18 "Affidavit of Support" filing fee paid online ($88.00)
2011-05-20 "Immigrant Visa" filing fee paid online ($404.00)
2011-05-24 Emailed notification - DS-3032 accepted
2011-06-07 Aff of Support & DS-230 mailed: 1st Class Certified Mail
2011-07-02 NVC sends DS-230 checklist requesting docs they already received
2011-07-21 "Sign In Failed" at NVC's Immigrant Visa Invoice Payment Center
2011-07-25 NVC emails a "Checklist Cover Letter" saying "Case Complete"
2011-07-30 NVC emails Visa Interview Appointment at Bangkok Embassy
2011-09-15 CR-1 VISA APPROVED!!!
2011-09-19 Received sealed visa envelope (CR-1 visa, medical evidence, etc.)
2011-10-06 Port of Entry - Los Angeles International Airport
2011-10-18 Social Security Number received (the physical SS card arrived 2011-10-20)
2011-10-27 Green Card received (via US Postal Service)
2013-07-08 Removal Of Conditions (I-751) mailed (arrived VSC 07-11, $590 ck cashed 07-16)
2013-07-18 Received NOA1 (I-751) with receipt date 07/12/2013
2013-07-22 Received Biometrics appointment letter for 8/14/13.
2013-11-14 10-YEAR GREEN CARD APPROVED!!!

2015-10-03 Mailed N-400 to Dallas via Standard Post ($680.00)

2015-11-16 Received NOA1 (I-797C) with receipt date 11/06/2015

2015-12-12 Received NOA2 (I-797C) with Biometrics date 12/23/15

2016-03-16 N-400 Interview Letter

2016-05-03 N-400 Interview (RFE'd with N-14 for 1st name change documentation)

2016-05-20 RFE'd again 4 documentation of 2nd name change; provided it; N-400 APPROVED!!

2016-05-27 Notification: "In Line For Oath Ceremony"

2016-06-17 Naturalized (with a name change) by Judicial Ceremony in Fort Lauderdale, FL!

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