Filipinos Against Arizona Immigration Law SB1070

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The Heritage Foundation? What's next, an historic synopsis from the John Birch Society?

That sounds familiar: Don't discuss the substance, attack the messenger. Which part, in any of the quoted material, do you disagree with?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

That sounds familiar: Don't discuss the substance, attack the messenger. Which part, in any of the quoted material, do you disagree with?

Why don't find a more ideologically neutral source? Like I said, Bill - how I would have loved to see you make these kinds of silly arguments back with your history teachers.

Here's a quote of Jefferson's regarding taxation:

"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is

to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the

higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they

rise." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1785.

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i will have to agree with tahoma on this one because i read it and i didnt see where it said it was a major issue. maybe you can quote the part that says its a major issue or a disaster? thanks.

if you'd read it, you'd know it's a pdf and it can't be copied and pasted - and i'm certainly not going to type it out for you.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Why don't find a more ideologically neutral source? Like I said, Bill - how I would have loved to see you make these kinds of silly arguments back with your history teachers.

Here's a quote of Jefferson's regarding taxation:

"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is

to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the

higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they

rise." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1785.

He was talking about France.

"The property of this country is absolutely concentred in a very few hands, having revenues of from half a million of guineas a year downwards... I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable. But the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind. Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labor and live on."

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[one...two...tree 2,762]

He was talking about France.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

That letter to Madison was written in 1785:

In 1784 Jefferson went to France as an associate Diplomat with Franklin and Adams. It was in that year that wrote an article establishing the standard weights, measures, and currency units for the United States. He succeeded Franklin as Minister to France the following year. When he returned home in 1789, he joined the Continental Congress for a while, and was then appointed Secretary of State under George Washington.

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/signers/jefferson.htm

[one...two...tree 2,762]

That letter to Madison was written in 1785:

You must have been the class clown.

[evli1966 88]

You must have been the class clown.

Are you refuting his claim and source or attacking him personally because you are wrong?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Are you refuting his claim and source or attacking him personally because you are wrong?

Refuting what claim? That Jefferson would make such a statement but only apply such reason to France? Bill surely would have gotten laughed out of history class.

[evli1966 88]

Refuting what claim? That Jefferson would make such a statement but only apply such reason to France? Bill surely would have gotten laughed out of history class.

Show proof not conjecture to support your opinion which is all you have stated.

The proof presented was a letter to Madison in 1785 and the reference is speaking in regards to France.

You do not deny this but assert your opinion that he couldn't make that staement and apply that reason only to France.

I assert this political speech happens all the time; not denouncing either claim but your opposing argument is conjecture and weak.

[evli1966 88]

I also provide you this from Thomas Jefferson:Many quotes and actions of Thomas Jefferson was for a Democratic America in which Majority rule would prevail:

"The will of the people... is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Waring, 1801. ME 10:236

"The measures of the fair majority... ought always to be respected." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1792. ME 8:397

History shows how he spent a lot of money during his career to make people believe he was a believe in the Republican process yet his words and actions proof otherwise. (if needed I can find sources to show this)

So it is feasible that he could put in writing thoughts contrary to his reasoning used here in the USA.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

"Laws made by common consent must not be trampled on by

individuals." --Thomas Jefferson to Col. Vanneter, 1781.

"Many of the opposition [to the new Federal Constitution] wish to

take from Congress the power of internal taxation. Calculation

has convinced me that this would be very mischievous." --Thomas

Jefferson to William Carmichael, 1788.

"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the

whole taxes of the General Government are levied... Our revenues

liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus

applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see

his government supported, his children educated, and the face of

his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich

alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his

earnings." --Thomas Jefferson to Thaddeus Kosciusko, 1811.

= Progressive

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well, the law's been in effect for a few days now -

any new word from National Federation of Filipino American Association ?

[evli1966 88]

"Laws made by common consent must not be trampled on by

individuals." --Thomas Jefferson to Col. Vanneter, 1781.

"Many of the opposition [to the new Federal Constitution] wish to

take from Congress the power of internal taxation. Calculation

has convinced me that this would be very mischievous." --Thomas

Jefferson to William Carmichael, 1788.

"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the

whole taxes of the General Government are levied... Our revenues

liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus

applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see

his government supported, his children educated, and the face of

his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich

alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his

earnings." --Thomas Jefferson to Thaddeus Kosciusko, 1811.

= Progressive

That is the point he makes many quotes and many statments which did not follow his actions or believes. So asserting he could not feasibly make a statement in which he would not apply to the USA is pointless with out proof.

There are well over 2700 quotes of this person alone not counting the misquotes people buy into as true and documented as someone else did earlier in this thread.

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SB1070 Illegal Alien Supporters Desecrate U.S. Flag During National Anthem (SWA Summit Rally)

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Illegal Alien supporters bussed in from California. desecrate US and AZ flag in front of Arizona State Capitol during the singing of the National Anthem at a the Stand With Arizona Immigration Summit Rally for SB1070, July 31st, 6:15 PST

nice huh