In Praise of McCafe

[Rhiannercakes 14]

Tim Hortons is better than everything else

Cheap and delicious.

I have been many many times to Canada and Tim Hortons is a second rate Dunkin Donuts.

I've never had Dunkin Donuts, so I guess I'd never know.

I actually don't even drink coffee, I drink the other stuff.

Then it is kinda hard to say truthfully that Tim Hortons is better than everything else.

Okay, I will re-phrase myself "Tim Hortons is the best thing in my city."

I personally avoid McDonalds and we have no other coffee places.

I also find Starbucks horribly expensive and over-rated.

[mRx 16]

You find this interesting why? It's full of the usual suspects, dodgy premise and supposition. This isn't clever or interseting although the machine itself obviously is no matter what ####### McDonalds stuff it with

Products once reserved for the elite are quickly being made available to the poor guy with the loose change in his pocket.

I think it's very interesting. It's not dodgy, premiseless, or any other vacuous title you attribute to it.

I perhpas should point out that I am not interested in the fate of Starbucks either.

Of course. You're interested in an imaginative world of "equality"-- An "equality" of poverty.

What kind of stupid statement is that? Latte isn't expensive enough in any establishment to be 'reserved' for the elite. Dodgy premise number one.

Oh, and I am not interested in some arbitary notion of 'equality' that implies 'bringing one section of society down to the level of another section of society - there is nothing I have ever posted that supports that supposition.

But a condition that lifts one section of society up to a level of another society is equally uninteresting?

The article is focusing on this seemingly insignificant occurance to illustrate a much broader point: that free competition leads to efficiency, lower costs, and subsequently raises the standards of all members of society--It's not a dodgy premise.

Considering your concern for the poor, I figured this would brighten your Sunday morning.

[luckytxn 2,263]

Tim Hortons is better than everything else

Cheap and delicious.

I have been many many times to Canada and Tim Hortons is a second rate Dunkin Donuts.

I've never had Dunkin Donuts, so I guess I'd never know.

I actually don't even drink coffee, I drink the other stuff.

Then it is kinda hard to say truthfully that Tim Hortons is better than everything else.

Okay, I will re-phrase myself "Tim Hortons is the best thing in my city."

I personally avoid McDonalds and we have no other coffee places.

I also find Starbucks horribly expensive and over-rated.

Tim Hortons did have pretty good poultine and was quick. Coffee sucked. Agree Starbucks coffee was pretty good but way over priced. Of course I went mostly to the Tim Hortons over in Quebec Province and only one elsewhere and that was in Toronto so maybe they were better over that way.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Tim Hortons is better than everything else

Cheap and delicious.

I have been many many times to Canada and Tim Hortons is a second rate Dunkin Donuts.

uh un - you got it backwards - Dunkin Donuts is second to Tim Hortons. I like Dunkin Donuts too - it is the only place I have found in the US that has really drinkable coffee available commercially.

Starbucks is almost always overbrewed, burnt, oily and acidic. Their house blend mild is the only thing they offer that is drinkable - with lots of cream and sweetner added to lessen the acidity.

Edited August 23, 2009 by Kathryn41

[luckytxn 2,263]

Tim Hortons is better than everything else

Cheap and delicious.

I have been many many times to Canada and Tim Hortons is a second rate Dunkin Donuts.

uh un - you got it backwards - Dunkin Donuts is second to Tim Hortons. I like Dunkin Donuts too - it is the only place I have found in the US that has really drinkable coffee available commercially.

To each their own I guess and I have been going to Dunkin Donuts since I was a kid so maybe I am just used to it. They do have pretty good coffee and are fast. I also love to grab a quick bagel and cream cheese sometimes and it is nice to get in and out quick when needed.

[Tahoma 2,291]

You find this interesting why? It's full of the usual suspects, dodgy premise and supposition. This isn't clever or interseting although the machine itself obviously is no matter what ####### McDonalds stuff it with

Products once reserved for the elite are quickly being made available to the poor guy with the loose change in his pocket.

I think it's very interesting. It's not dodgy, premiseless, or any other vacuous title you attribute to it.

I perhpas should point out that I am not interested in the fate of Starbucks either.

Of course. You're interested in an imaginative world of "equality"-- An "equality" of poverty.

What kind of stupid statement is that? Latte isn't expensive enough in any establishment to be 'reserved' for the elite. Dodgy premise number one.

Oh, and I am not interested in some arbitary notion of 'equality' that implies 'bringing one section of society down to the level of another section of society - there is nothing I have ever posted that supports that supposition.

But a condition that lifts one section of society up to a level of another society is equally uninteresting?

The article is focusing on this seemingly insignificant occurance to illustrate a much broader point: that free competition leads to efficiency, lower costs, and subsequently raises the standards of all members of society--It's not a dodgy premise.

Considering your concern for the poor, I figured this would brighten your Sunday morning.

So...the poor downtrodden masses can now afford to buy a daily fix of caffeine at Mac's instead of a fix every other day at Starbucks. That's deep! Thank goodness for Mac's, because the unwashed masses soon may not even be allowed to enter a Starbucks.

I wonder what revelations Jeffrey Tucker and his buddy, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, come up with next at their Austrian libertarian think tank. Maybe they will tell us why caffeine addiction "raises the standards of all members of society." Or maybe how libertarian free markets don't lead to monopolies.

[Peikko 1,575]

You find this interesting why? It's full of the usual suspects, dodgy premise and supposition. This isn't clever or interseting although the machine itself obviously is no matter what ####### McDonalds stuff it with

Products once reserved for the elite are quickly being made available to the poor guy with the loose change in his pocket.

I think it's very interesting. It's not dodgy, premiseless, or any other vacuous title you attribute to it.

I perhpas should point out that I am not interested in the fate of Starbucks either.

Of course. You're interested in an imaginative world of "equality"-- An "equality" of poverty.

What kind of stupid statement is that? Latte isn't expensive enough in any establishment to be 'reserved' for the elite. Dodgy premise number one.

Oh, and I am not interested in some arbitary notion of 'equality' that implies 'bringing one section of society down to the level of another section of society - there is nothing I have ever posted that supports that supposition.

But a condition that lifts one section of society up to a level of another society is equally uninteresting?

The article is focusing on this seemingly insignificant occurance to illustrate a much broader point: that free competition leads to efficiency, lower costs, and subsequently raises the standards of all members of society--It's not a dodgy premise.

Considering your concern for the poor, I figured this would brighten your Sunday morning.

Ah, is that the point of the article - not some jab at socialism then?

Here's the problem using such a poor example from my stand point. Starbucks did not invent the latte (or any of the other souped up coffee concoctions) and these drinks have always been available and at a cheap price. Starbucks simply packaged it in a way that suited a certain demographic - McDonald's to another but if you are interested in good coffee you probably will not buy these things in either establishment, but brew your own - or go to an Italian or French cafe. In other words, expensive advertising budgets can make you think that you have got a bargain but the reality is that often these bargains truly suck

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Starbucks was in trouble and started closing stores long before McCafe was rolled out. Both suck big time, by the way.

[Rhiannercakes 14]

Tim Hortons is better than everything else

Cheap and delicious.

I have been many many times to Canada and Tim Hortons is a second rate Dunkin Donuts.

I've never had Dunkin Donuts, so I guess I'd never know.

I actually don't even drink coffee, I drink the other stuff.

Then it is kinda hard to say truthfully that Tim Hortons is better than everything else.

Okay, I will re-phrase myself "Tim Hortons is the best thing in my city."

I personally avoid McDonalds and we have no other coffee places.

I also find Starbucks horribly expensive and over-rated.

Tim Hortons did have pretty good poultine and was quick. Coffee sucked. Agree Starbucks coffee was pretty good but way over priced. Of course I went mostly to the Tim Hortons over in Quebec Province and only one elsewhere and that was in Toronto so maybe they were better over that way.

Quebec Tim Hortons have Poultine? That's pretty cool.

I do like Starbucks' Chai Lattes, since it's the only place I can seem to get them in my area, but I dont want to hand over almost 5 bucks for something that isn't tiny.

[luckytxn 2,263]

Tim Hortons is better than everything else

Cheap and delicious.

I have been many many times to Canada and Tim Hortons is a second rate Dunkin Donuts.

I've never had Dunkin Donuts, so I guess I'd never know.

I actually don't even drink coffee, I drink the other stuff.

Then it is kinda hard to say truthfully that Tim Hortons is better than everything else.

Okay, I will re-phrase myself "Tim Hortons is the best thing in my city."

I personally avoid McDonalds and we have no other coffee places.

I also find Starbucks horribly expensive and over-rated.

Tim Hortons did have pretty good poultine and was quick. Coffee sucked. Agree Starbucks coffee was pretty good but way over priced. Of course I went mostly to the Tim Hortons over in Quebec Province and only one elsewhere and that was in Toronto so maybe they were better over that way.

Quebec Tim Hortons have Poultine? That's pretty cool.

I do like Starbucks' Chai Lattes, since it's the only place I can seem to get them in my area, but I dont want to hand over almost 5 bucks for something that isn't tiny.

The one I went to did but that does not mean the others did I am sure. usually it was just to meet friends and drink coffee. They were pretty good at letting you buy a coffee and free refills for hours on end. I don't remember the Tim Hortons on the rest areas having poultine when I was driving form Montreal to Toronto so maybe it was just in Montreal area.

[Rhiannercakes 14]

Tim Hortons is better than everything else

Cheap and delicious.

I have been many many times to Canada and Tim Hortons is a second rate Dunkin Donuts.

I've never had Dunkin Donuts, so I guess I'd never know.

I actually don't even drink coffee, I drink the other stuff.

Then it is kinda hard to say truthfully that Tim Hortons is better than everything else.

Okay, I will re-phrase myself "Tim Hortons is the best thing in my city."

I personally avoid McDonalds and we have no other coffee places.

I also find Starbucks horribly expensive and over-rated.

Tim Hortons did have pretty good poultine and was quick. Coffee sucked. Agree Starbucks coffee was pretty good but way over priced. Of course I went mostly to the Tim Hortons over in Quebec Province and only one elsewhere and that was in Toronto so maybe they were better over that way.

Quebec Tim Hortons have Poultine? That's pretty cool.

I do like Starbucks' Chai Lattes, since it's the only place I can seem to get them in my area, but I dont want to hand over almost 5 bucks for something that isn't tiny.

The one I went to did but that does not mean the others did I am sure. usually it was just to meet friends and drink coffee. They were pretty good at letting you buy a coffee and free refills for hours on end. I don't remember the Tim Hortons on the rest areas having poultine when I was driving form Montreal to Toronto so maybe it was just in Montreal area.

That's cool. I'm going to have to try it out if I ever find one that has it.

[luckytxn 2,263]

Tim Hortons is better than everything else

Cheap and delicious.

I have been many many times to Canada and Tim Hortons is a second rate Dunkin Donuts.

I've never had Dunkin Donuts, so I guess I'd never know.

I actually don't even drink coffee, I drink the other stuff.

Then it is kinda hard to say truthfully that Tim Hortons is better than everything else.

Okay, I will re-phrase myself "Tim Hortons is the best thing in my city."

I personally avoid McDonalds and we have no other coffee places.

I also find Starbucks horribly expensive and over-rated.

Tim Hortons did have pretty good poultine and was quick. Coffee sucked. Agree Starbucks coffee was pretty good but way over priced. Of course I went mostly to the Tim Hortons over in Quebec Province and only one elsewhere and that was in Toronto so maybe they were better over that way.

Quebec Tim Hortons have Poultine? That's pretty cool.

I do like Starbucks' Chai Lattes, since it's the only place I can seem to get them in my area, but I dont want to hand over almost 5 bucks for something that isn't tiny.

The one I went to did but that does not mean the others did I am sure. usually it was just to meet friends and drink coffee. They were pretty good at letting you buy a coffee and free refills for hours on end. I don't remember the Tim Hortons on the rest areas having poultine when I was driving form Montreal to Toronto so maybe it was just in Montreal area.

That's cool. I'm going to have to try it out if I ever find one that has it.

Well don't try too many as it has been over 5 years since I was last up there and might be confusing where I ate it at. If one wants poutine then it is easy to find around Montreal at many places and the best I had was at usually at lesser known places. Even used to get a poutine at a bowling alley that was maybe the best I ever had. The worst I ever had was maybe some that were made with regular cheese and not curds. It was good but not what I wanted.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

You find this interesting why? It's full of the usual suspects, dodgy premise and supposition. This isn't clever or interseting although the machine itself obviously is no matter what ####### McDonalds stuff it with

I perhpas should point out that I am not interested in the fate of Starbucks either.

Yeah but you read the whole fvcking thing And then posted about it

[mRx 16]

You find this interesting why? It's full of the usual suspects, dodgy premise and supposition. This isn't clever or interseting although the machine itself obviously is no matter what ####### McDonalds stuff it with

Products once reserved for the elite are quickly being made available to the poor guy with the loose change in his pocket.

I think it's very interesting. It's not dodgy, premiseless, or any other vacuous title you attribute to it.

I perhpas should point out that I am not interested in the fate of Starbucks either.

Of course. You're interested in an imaginative world of "equality"-- An "equality" of poverty.

What kind of stupid statement is that? Latte isn't expensive enough in any establishment to be 'reserved' for the elite. Dodgy premise number one.

Oh, and I am not interested in some arbitary notion of 'equality' that implies 'bringing one section of society down to the level of another section of society - there is nothing I have ever posted that supports that supposition.

But a condition that lifts one section of society up to a level of another society is equally uninteresting?

The article is focusing on this seemingly insignificant occurance to illustrate a much broader point: that free competition leads to efficiency, lower costs, and subsequently raises the standards of all members of society--It's not a dodgy premise.

Considering your concern for the poor, I figured this would brighten your Sunday morning.

So...the poor downtrodden masses can now afford to buy a daily fix of caffeine at Mac's instead of a fix every other day at Starbucks. That's deep! Thank goodness for Mac's, because the unwashed masses soon may not even be allowed to enter a Starbucks.

I wonder what revelations Jeffrey Tucker and his buddy, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, come up with next at their Austrian libertarian think tank. Maybe they will tell us why caffeine addiction "raises the standards of all members of society." Or maybe how libertarian free markets don't lead to monopolies.

Your subjective views of caffeine and other sinful consumer desirables are entirely irrelevant. I see it's the same 'ol nihil ad rem posts from you.

The facts: McDonalds has introduced a product which challeges Starbuck's market share. This product is comparable, and costs about 20% less. Starbucks has adjusted prices in an attempt to reclaim market share.

This is a victory of the consumer. Plain and simple.

[Otto 83]

The facts: McDonalds has introduced a product which challeges Starbuck's market share. This product is comparable, and costs about 20% less. Starbucks has adjusted prices in an attempt to reclaim market share.

This is a victory of the consumer. Plain and simple.

The sad thing is that a giant like McDonalds is about the only thing that could have an influence/competition over Starbucks... they all but squashed the little guys (hence the 'tribe' turning against them)...