Prenuptial

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

[NickD 203]

How would you feel if your fiance would ask you to sign a pre-nuptial agreement prior to your marriage. Would you feel bad about it?

I just want to know the opinion of the majority on this issue:)

Get married in Wisconsin, State of Wisconsin does not recognize pre-nuptial agreements. Of course, the only time they come up, is in a divorce court. I feel a pre-nuptial agreement is a prelude to a divorce. Not even sure how the USCIS feels about these agreements, certainly contrary to the I-864.

Wrong. Prenuptial agreements cannot and do not void the I-864: this is a common misconception. USCIS does not care or even ask about prenuptials

How can you say I am wrong with the statement, "Not even sure how the USCIS feels about these agreements, certainly contrary to the I-864."

You replied that the I-864 cannot be included in the pre-nuptial agree to satisfy my wondering. Thank you.

But anything can be made in a pre-nuptial, like both parties agree that when the alien receives their permanent green card, the marriage will terminate and the alien will pay the sponsoring USC a zillion dollars. Bet the USCIS would be interested in that!

[Chica Yeyé 41]

How would you feel if your fiance would ask you to sign a pre-nuptial agreement prior to your marriage. Would you feel bad about it?

I just want to know the opinion of the majority on this issue:)

Get married in Wisconsin, State of Wisconsin does not recognize pre-nuptial agreements. Of course, the only time they come up, is in a divorce court. I feel a pre-nuptial agreement is a prelude to a divorce. Not even sure how the USCIS feels about these agreements, certainly contrary to the I-864.

Wrong. Prenuptial agreements cannot and do not void the I-864: this is a common misconception. USCIS does not care or even ask about prenuptials

How can you say I am wrong with the statement, "Not even sure how the USCIS feels about these agreements, certainly contrary to the I-864."

You replied that the I-864 cannot be included in the pre-nuptial agree to satisfy my wondering. Thank you.

But anything can be made in a pre-nuptial, like both parties agree that when the alien receives their permanent green card, the marriage will terminate and the alien will pay the sponsoring USC a zillion dollars. Bet the USCIS would be interested in that!

I answered your question as it pertained to the I-864

You cannot enter into an agreement to not fulfill the AOS. Period. Why? Because the I-864 is a contract between sponsor and the US government.

You cannot sign prenup agreeing to visa fraud. Come on, which attorney would allow you to do that? Which notary would give seal of approval?

Please

[bhajishah 4]

NOt at all!!

Marital Rights Under Nikah

2421 *For a woman with whom permanent marriage is contracted, it is haraam to go out of the house without the permission of her husband, though her leaving may not violate the rights of the husband. Also, she should submit herself to his sexual desires, and should not prevent him from having sexual intercourse with her, without justifiable excuse. And as long as she does not fail in her duties, it is obligatory on the husband to provide for her food, clothes and housing. And if he does not provide the same regardless of whether he is able to provide them or not, he remains indebted to the wife.

2422 *If the wife does not fulfil her matrimonial duties towards her husband, she will not be entitled for the food, clothes or housing, even if she continues to live with him. But if she refuses to obey occasionally, the common verdict is that even then she cannot claim any entitlement from her husband. But this verdict is a matter of Ishkal. In any case, there is no doubt that she does not forfeit her Mahr [dowry].

2423 *Man has no right to compel his wife to render household services.

2424 *The traveling expenses incurred by the wife must be borne by the husband, if they exceed her expenses at home, and if she had traveled with the husband's permission. But the fares for travel be car or by air etc. and other expenses, which are necessary for a journey, will be borne by the wife except when the husband is himself inclined to take her along with him on a journey, in which case he will bear her expenses also.

2425 *If the husband who is responsible for the wife's maintenance, does not provide her the same, she can draw her expenses from his property without his permission. and if this is not possible, and she is obliged to earn her livelihood, and she cannot take her case to the Mujtahid, who would compel him (even by threatening him with imprisonment) to pay the maintenance, it will not be obligatory upon her to obey her husband while she is engaged in earning her livelihood.

2426 *If a man, for example, has two wives and spends one night with one of them, it is obligatory on him to spend anyone of four nights with the other as well; in situation other than this, it is not obligatory on a man to stay with his wife. Of course, it is necessary that he should not totally forsake living with the wife. And as a precaution, a man should spend one night out of every four with his permanent wife. Of course, it is necessary that he should not totally forsake living with the wife. And as a precaution, a man should spend one night out of every four with his permanent wife.

2427 *It is not permissible for the husband to abandon sexual intercourse with his youthful, permanent wife for more than 4 months, except when sexual intercourse is harmful to him, or involves unusually more effort, or when the wife herself agrees to avoid it, or if a prior stipulation to that effect was made at the time of Nikah by the husband. And in this rule, there is no difference between the situations when the husband is present, or on a journey, or whether she is a wife by permanent or temporary marriage.

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The above was excerpted from "Islamic Laws," English Version of Taudhihul Masae'l,

According to the Fatawa of Ayatullah al Usama Syed Ali al-Husaini Seestani.

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[AbbynSheryl 0]

NOt at all!!

Marital Rights Under Nikah

2421 *For a woman with whom permanent marriage is contracted, it is haraam to go out of the house without the permission of her husband, though her leaving may not violate the rights of the husband. Also, she should submit herself to his sexual desires, and should not prevent him from having sexual intercourse with her, without justifiable excuse. And as long as she does not fail in her duties, it is obligatory on the husband to provide for her food, clothes and housing. And if he does not provide the same regardless of whether he is able to provide them or not, he remains indebted to the wife.

2422 *If the wife does not fulfil her matrimonial duties towards her husband, she will not be entitled for the food, clothes or housing, even if she continues to live with him. But if she refuses to obey occasionally, the common verdict is that even then she cannot claim any entitlement from her husband. But this verdict is a matter of Ishkal. In any case, there is no doubt that she does not forfeit her Mahr [dowry].

2423 *Man has no right to compel his wife to render household services.

2424 *The traveling expenses incurred by the wife must be borne by the husband, if they exceed her expenses at home, and if she had traveled with the husband's permission. But the fares for travel be car or by air etc. and other expenses, which are necessary for a journey, will be borne by the wife except when the husband is himself inclined to take her along with him on a journey, in which case he will bear her expenses also.

2425 *If the husband who is responsible for the wife's maintenance, does not provide her the same, she can draw her expenses from his property without his permission. and if this is not possible, and she is obliged to earn her livelihood, and she cannot take her case to the Mujtahid, who would compel him (even by threatening him with imprisonment) to pay the maintenance, it will not be obligatory upon her to obey her husband while she is engaged in earning her livelihood.

2426 *If a man, for example, has two wives and spends one night with one of them, it is obligatory on him to spend anyone of four nights with the other as well; in situation other than this, it is not obligatory on a man to stay with his wife. Of course, it is necessary that he should not totally forsake living with the wife. And as a precaution, a man should spend one night out of every four with his permanent wife. Of course, it is necessary that he should not totally forsake living with the wife. And as a precaution, a man should spend one night out of every four with his permanent wife.

2427 *It is not permissible for the husband to abandon sexual intercourse with his youthful, permanent wife for more than 4 months, except when sexual intercourse is harmful to him, or involves unusually more effort, or when the wife herself agrees to avoid it, or if a prior stipulation to that effect was made at the time of Nikah by the husband. And in this rule, there is no difference between the situations when the husband is present, or on a journey, or whether she is a wife by permanent or temporary marriage.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~

The above was excerpted from "Islamic Laws," English Version of Taudhihul Masae'l,

According to the Fatawa of Ayatullah al Usama Syed Ali al-Husaini Seestani.

Loving a Muslim Home Page Table of Contents

ALHUMDULILLAH

abby n sheryl

[Chica Yeyé 41]

uh... ok

[trinket 30]

Marital Rights Under Nikah

[bhajishah 4]

Kewl and lets the women be women and men be men. and no one has anger for role reversal, or too much burden>> NIKAH RULES!!

[Welshcookie 17]

Before you sign any prenup get your own lawyer to look it over first...don't feel pressured into signing anything. Personally I wouldn't be opposed to signing one as long as it was fair to both of us.

[NArocks 13]

I have no problem, hubby knows what's his is mine and what's mine is mine

[thepizzadude 26]

[NickD 203]

How would you feel if your fiance would ask you to sign a pre-nuptial agreement prior to your marriage. Would you feel bad about it?

I just want to know the opinion of the majority on this issue:)

Get married in Wisconsin, State of Wisconsin does not recognize pre-nuptial agreements. Of course, the only time they come up, is in a divorce court. I feel a pre-nuptial agreement is a prelude to a divorce. Not even sure how the USCIS feels about these agreements, certainly contrary to the I-864.

Wrong. Prenuptial agreements cannot and do not void the I-864: this is a common misconception. USCIS does not care or even ask about prenuptials

How can you say I am wrong with the statement, "Not even sure how the USCIS feels about these agreements, certainly contrary to the I-864."

You replied that the I-864 cannot be included in the pre-nuptial agree to satisfy my wondering. Thank you.

But anything can be made in a pre-nuptial, like both parties agree that when the alien receives their permanent green card, the marriage will terminate and the alien will pay the sponsoring USC a zillion dollars. Bet the USCIS would be interested in that!

I answered your question as it pertained to the I-864

You cannot enter into an agreement to not fulfill the AOS. Period. Why? Because the I-864 is a contract between sponsor and the US government.

You cannot sign prenup agreeing to visa fraud. Come on, which attorney would allow you to do that? Which notary would give seal of approval?

Please

OP asked opinions on a pre-nuptial agreement, if I felt compelled to request a woman to sign a pre-nuptial agreement, wouldn't marry her in the first place. A pre-nautial agreement instantly shows a sign of distrust in that person, and if I can't trust her fully, marriage is definitely a mistake. If sex is the only interest of both parties and not sharing common goods, might as well just live together. But hey, you can't do that with an alien, USCIS says you either get married or that potential spouse leaves. Did go through extremes with that tentative agreement, but intentionally to prove a point. But if the spouse is exempt from all goods in that marriage, that agreement is essentially saying the same thing. Of course the I-864 is an agreement between the sponsoring USC spouse and the US government, but exactly who can gain from the agreement and who can really lose from it? Hint, the alien has a great opportunity to burn their spouse and the US government is hurt at all by this agreement, the sponsoring spouse is.

Had a bad marriage ending in a bad divorce, deep in debt, worked hard and paid all that off, got my kids through school, put lots of money in the bank, bought boys toys, a big empty house and no one to share it with. Then met my honey, we really grew on each other and we wanted to share our lives together, she had to leave everything behind. I had no hestation in adding her to my bank accounts, ownership of my titled goods, nor signing the I-864, I put a lot more emphasis on her than my goods, my goods meant nothing to me, she does. If our marriage does break up, she is not the kind to take advantage, but would give her anything she wants. One thing she can't take away from me so far to date, is the seven happiest years of my life. I don't need that in writing, and very little chance of that break up happening, we trust each other, and if you need a legal document to protect yourself, you do not have that trust.

That is my opinion on this subject.

[SuperDuper! 230]

I think in certain circumstances prenups can be a good idea. They are mutually agreed upon, so I would have never signed or proposed anything unfair. If you are asked to sign one, read it, negotiate it (re-negotiate), and if you're still not satisfied then you have some decisions to make. Not only to prenups protect in terms of divorce (people don't go into marriage thinking of divorce, but it happens- think of how much less stressful a divorce could be if you already knew how assests would be split from the begining) it also protects the entire families. If either person has children a prenup can be used to prevent the unintentional disinheritance of previous children.

Sigh...sorry for all the typos. Too exhausted to fix.....

u suppose to go into marriage till death do us apart and worry about the thing if it happens then.....

your quote, " think of how much less stressful a divorce could be if you already knew how assests would be split from the begining" you are focusing on the thing before entering in to life long marriage.

good thinking

if i have any doubt about the marriage or SO then i will not marry bcz why go into marriage thinking if it happens, u get what u focus on and if u keep focusing on divorce then it will definately happen.

you might dont like my view of thinking but i am entitle to have opinion.

abby n sheryl

in USA, 50% of marriages end in divorce. Can you flip a coin heads or tails once? Those are the odds.

Guess what? All couples believe that their marriage will last forever. Somehow, half of those couples are wrong, even with going in with all those good intentions and expensive, lavish weddings that are now worthless and regretted.

[AbbynSheryl 0]

How would you feel if your fiance would ask you to sign a pre-nuptial agreement prior to your marriage. Would you feel bad about it?

I just want to know the opinion of the majority on this issue:)

Get married in Wisconsin, State of Wisconsin does not recognize pre-nuptial agreements. Of course, the only time they come up, is in a divorce court. I feel a pre-nuptial agreement is a prelude to a divorce. Not even sure how the USCIS feels about these agreements, certainly contrary to the I-864.

Wrong. Prenuptial agreements cannot and do not void the I-864: this is a common misconception. USCIS does not care or even ask about prenuptials

How can you say I am wrong with the statement, "Not even sure how the USCIS feels about these agreements, certainly contrary to the I-864."

You replied that the I-864 cannot be included in the pre-nuptial agree to satisfy my wondering. Thank you.

But anything can be made in a pre-nuptial, like both parties agree that when the alien receives their permanent green card, the marriage will terminate and the alien will pay the sponsoring USC a zillion dollars. Bet the USCIS would be interested in that!

I answered your question as it pertained to the I-864

You cannot enter into an agreement to not fulfill the AOS. Period. Why? Because the I-864 is a contract between sponsor and the US government.

You cannot sign prenup agreeing to visa fraud. Come on, which attorney would allow you to do that? Which notary would give seal of approval?

Please

OP asked opinions on a pre-nuptial agreement, if I felt compelled to request a woman to sign a pre-nuptial agreement, wouldn't marry her in the first place. A pre-nautial agreement instantly shows a sign of distrust in that person, and if I can't trust her fully, marriage is definitely a mistake. If sex is the only interest of both parties and not sharing common goods, might as well just live together. But hey, you can't do that with an alien, USCIS says you either get married or that potential spouse leaves. Did go through extremes with that tentative agreement, but intentionally to prove a point. But if the spouse is exempt from all goods in that marriage, that agreement is essentially saying the same thing. Of course the I-864 is an agreement between the sponsoring USC spouse and the US government, but exactly who can gain from the agreement and who can really lose from it? Hint, the alien has a great opportunity to burn their spouse and the US government is hurt at all by this agreement, the sponsoring spouse is.

Had a bad marriage ending in a bad divorce, deep in debt, worked hard and paid all that off, got my kids through school, put lots of money in the bank, bought boys toys, a big empty house and no one to share it with. Then met my honey, we really grew on each other and we wanted to share our lives together, she had to leave everything behind. I had no hestation in adding her to my bank accounts, ownership of my titled goods, nor signing the I-864, I put a lot more emphasis on her than my goods, my goods meant nothing to me, she does. If our marriage does break up, she is not the kind to take advantage, but would give her anything she wants. One thing she can't take away from me so far to date, is the seven happiest years of my life. I don't need that in writing, and very little chance of that break up happening, we trust each other, and if you need a legal document to protect yourself, you do not have that trust.

That is my opinion on this subject.

nicely put in words

i agree u completely

someone said the marriage is civil contract and the prenup is contract

so why u say i do till death do us apart and after couple of years u break one contract, but u wanna keep the prenup contract

makes no sense to me.LOL

abby n sheryl

[Nessa 23]

i made charles sign one. if he doesn't perform well, he gets no cooked meal. simple.