Arizona taxpayers spend up to $1.2 billion annually

[dalegg 143]

I believe Arizona schools receive part of their funding from property taxes just like California. You start getting a larger percentage of the population not paying property taxes then you get a funding problem if those families send children to school. How many illegals are paying property taxes? Whichever are, grant them amnesty now.

If they own a home, they pay property taxes.

Dig it. That's why I said whichever are home owners should be made into legal citizens. In fact I'd be willing to trade one non-tax paying legal American white citizen for any illegal who pays taxes. But don't answer now, because if you act now- I'll throw in a second one for absolutely no cost.

Edited September 15, 2009 by dalegg

[Danno 1,228]

I like how the one was lamenting how he had to struggle when he made the decision to come here illegally. Boo Hoo.

How can we afford NOT to build a wall?

Does anyone know how much all those illegal immigrants are adding to the state in terms sales and payroll taxes? Anyone want to take a guess? Anyone know if the ratio of tax and sales revenue to tax burden they are and whether that ratio is any different from USC's within the same income levels?

Yes Steve and therein .... is the key to your point.

Most illegals have very low income due to a number of factors

1. no English

2. No payers

3. Very limited education

Sure if you find Americans who are so bad off that this is their "comparison" level I would imagine they would be an equal drain on the system.... in fact they might even be more due to taking up Jail space.

But rather than throw out vague concepts lets do it this way.

Mexican with wife and kid slips over the Border, arrives in city X

WHAT would you guess his income in the next 12 months (subject to withholding) would be on this typical guy?

Most illegals are here for work. The OP was about the financial burden of their children in public schools...so my questions centered around the financial cost.

Do you know?

[HAL 9000 96]

I believe Arizona schools receive part of their funding from property taxes just like California. You start getting a larger percentage of the population not paying property taxes then you get a funding problem if those families send children to school. How many illegals are paying property taxes? Whichever are, grant them amnesty now.

If they own a home, they pay property taxes.

Dig it. That's why I said whichever are home owners should be made into legal citizens. In fact I'd be willing to trade one non-tax paying legal American white citizen for any illegal who pays taxes. But don't answer now, because if you act now- I'll throw in a second one for absolutely no cost.

Don't know about that. I'd prefer there were no illegal immigration in the first place and everyone here earned enough to afford an honest mortgage... but there are way too many people bent on taking advantage of capitalism to their greedy levels... whcih create both kinds of 'people' (illegals and non taxpayers).

[dalegg 143]

I believe Arizona schools receive part of their funding from property taxes just like California. You start getting a larger percentage of the population not paying property taxes then you get a funding problem if those families send children to school. How many illegals are paying property taxes? Whichever are, grant them amnesty now.

If they own a home, they pay property taxes.

Dig it. That's why I said whichever are home owners should be made into legal citizens. In fact I'd be willing to trade one non-tax paying legal American white citizen for any illegal who pays taxes. But don't answer now, because if you act now- I'll throw in a second one for absolutely no cost.

Don't know about that. I'd prefer there were no illegal immigration in the first place and everyone here earned enough to afford an honest mortgage... but there are way too many people bent on taking advantage of capitalism to their greedy levels... whcih create both kinds of 'people' (illegals and non taxpayers).

Commie

[zqt3344 21]

HAL 2.0.0.9 that is about the most truthful post yet on here.

I believe Arizona schools receive part of their funding from property taxes just like California. You start getting a larger percentage of the population not paying property taxes then you get a funding problem if those families send children to school. How many illegals are paying property taxes? Whichever are, grant them amnesty now.

If they own a home, they pay property taxes.

Dig it. That's why I said whichever are home owners should be made into legal citizens. In fact I'd be willing to trade one non-tax paying legal American white citizen for any illegal who pays taxes. But don't answer now, because if you act now- I'll throw in a second one for absolutely no cost.

Don't know about that. I'd prefer there were no illegal immigration in the first place and everyone here earned enough to afford an honest mortgage... but there are way too many people bent on taking advantage of capitalism to their greedy levels... whcih create both kinds of 'people' (illegals and non taxpayers).

[Heracles 417]

I like how the one was lamenting how he had to struggle when he made the decision to come here illegally. Boo Hoo.

How can we afford NOT to build a wall?

Does anyone know how much all those illegal immigrants are adding to the state in terms sales and payroll taxes? Anyone want to take a guess? Anyone know if the ratio of tax and sales revenue to tax burden they are and whether that ratio is any different from USC's within the same income levels?

Yes Steve and therein .... is the key to your point.

Most illegals have very low income due to a number of factors

1. no English

2. No visa

3. Very limited education

Sure if you find Americans who are so bad off that this is their "comparison" level I would imagine they would be an equal drain on the system.... in fact they might even be more due to taking up Jail space.

But rather than throw out vague concepts lets do it this way.

Mexican with wife and kid slips over the Border, arrives in city X

WHAT would you guess his income in the next 12 months (subject to withholding) would be on this typical guy?

Dam straight. The majority of illegal immigrants are low skilled uneducated workers. So naturally they are barely being paid anything. Therefore, even if all of them paid income tax, this would not cover their expenses to community, county or state in anyway. Once again that is assuming they are paying tax, which is extremely unlikely as most will probably be paid off the books; for obvious reasons.

It costs a county ~$10k per student. So is anyone going to sit here and tell us that they are paying $10K in tax? Dam straight facts are a funny thing. What about all of the other services they use? What sort of a salary (including sales tax) would they need to generate and spend to have paid $10K? What amount of property tax are they paying to the county or city? that equates to $10K.

What some are advocating is that they would prefer someone pay an illegal immigrant under the table and minimum wage, rather than pay an American a decent wage to do the same work. Apparently South America's poor deserve a chance (compassion); while America's poor do not.

Edited September 15, 2009 by Booyah!

[Heracles 417]

I believe Arizona schools receive part of their funding from property taxes just like California. You start getting a larger percentage of the population not paying property taxes then you get a funding problem if those families send children to school. How many illegals are paying property taxes? Whichever are, grant them amnesty now.

Bingo!

Not a single dollar of income tax goes to schools in various states. Property tax is usually the number one source of funding for schools in various counties. Therefore, what percentage of property tax are illegal aliens paying? How much? That of course, is also assuming they pay taxes; which as we know, is a guess. Common sense would suggest otherwise; aka cash in hand work. In places like Long Island, they even have a school tax, which is paid for by county residents. Or are some going to expect us to believe that the illegal aliens pay into this too? Heck, why stop the exaggeration there and just not state that illegal aliens pay more tax than the average Joe.

The country is literally on the brink of bankruptcy yet people are still advocating paying for illegal aliens. Seriously unbelievable. The biggest joke of the century is California which has cut drastically from the school budget, yet refuses to cut a single cent from services offered to illegal aliens. Actually CA makes us believe that only a few hundred mill is spent on educating anchor babies and illegal aliens. Strange since a small state like Arizona is spending $1.2 billion. I call bullshit and all in the name of misguided compassion for people that are not supposed to be here, furthermore, at the expense of American children. This economy is the time when every tax payer funded service should require the establishment of citizenship and residency before a single service is used. After all, this is common sense (the norm) in most other developed countries.

Edited September 15, 2009 by Booyah!

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I like how the one was lamenting how he had to struggle when he made the decision to come here illegally. Boo Hoo.

How can we afford NOT to build a wall?

Does anyone know how much all those illegal immigrants are adding to the state in terms sales and payroll taxes? Anyone want to take a guess? Anyone know if the ratio of tax and sales revenue to tax burden they are and whether that ratio is any different from USC's within the same income levels?

Yes Steve and therein .... is the key to your point.

Most illegals have very low income due to a number of factors

1. no English

2. No visa

3. Very limited education

Sure if you find Americans who are so bad off that this is their "comparison" level I would imagine they would be an equal drain on the system.... in fact they might even be more due to taking up Jail space.

But rather than throw out vague concepts lets do it this way.

Mexican with wife and kid slips over the Border, arrives in city X

WHAT would you guess his income in the next 12 months (subject to withholding) would be on this typical guy?

Dam straight. The majority of illegal immigrants are low skilled uneducated workers. So naturally they are barely being paid anything. Therefore, even if all of them paid income tax, this would not cover their expenses to community, county or state in anyway. Once again that is assuming they are paying tax, which is extremely unlikely as most will probably be paid off the books; for obvious reasons.

It costs a county ~$10k per student. So is anyone going to sit here and tell us that they are paying $10K in tax? Dam straight facts are a funny thing. What about all of the other services they use? What sort of a salary (including sales tax) would they need to generate and spend to have paid $10K? What amount of property tax are they paying to the county or city? that equates to $10K.

What some are advocating is that they would prefer someone pay an illegal immigrant under the table and minimum wage, rather than pay an American a decent wage to do the same work. Apparently South America's poor deserve a chance (compassion); while America's poor do not.

Praytell and why is that? Cuz we dont spend enough on education? We spend so much money on keepin ppl poor. If you dont see it your BLIND!

[HAL 9000 96]

Actually, as far as I know, the majority of school budget per student expenditure is state-funded. That's why it is imperative for kids to be in school during FTE days- where attendance tells the state what the enrollment is per school so that funding is allocated properly.

[Heracles 417]

Actually, as far as I know, the majority of school budget per student expenditure is state-funded. That's why it is imperative for kids to be in school during FTE days- where attendance tells the state what the enrollment is per school so that funding is allocated properly.

Maybe in the poorer counties but certainly not the case for my county or the surrounding counties.

[HAL 9000 96]

Actually, as far as I know, the majority of school budget per student expenditure is state-funded. That's why it is imperative for kids to be in school during FTE days- where attendance tells the state what the enrollment is per school so that funding is allocated properly.

Maybe in the poorer counties but certainly not the case for my county or the surrounding counties.

Across the board, BY. Of course in the counties with high property tax income compared to the state allotment, may make the state per pupil expenditure to seem small.

[Heracles 417]

Across the board, BY. Of course in the counties with high property tax income compared to the state allotment, may make the state per pupil expenditure to seem small.

Nonetheless, fair is fair. I draw the line when American kids and African American kids, which you have promptly supported for so many years, are going without when $10K+ is being spent to educate anchor baby or the kids of illegal aliens. That is billions of dollars nationwide going to others when it could be spent on Americans. You cannot promote assisting America's poor but then also say we should just pay for anyone and everyone who comes here. Not even a rich country like AUS can pay for that, hence why the are so strict regarding it. hence hwy their standard of education is one of the best in the world. Their system is setup to help Australians and LEGAL immigrants. Spelling wise, the difference between legal and illegal may only be two letters but in the real world the difference is huge. Thus, why most OECD nations are so strict regarding this mater. Same way the US is the only developed country that does not have UHC, the US is one of few developed countries that allows un-skilled illegal aliens to enter at will and use services at will. End result: well just look at the US, just look at where it ranks in various international rankings. Or does the means justify the end? Every communist country and dictator has had that ideology and look at where their society's have ended up.

As also stated earlier, realistically how much tax do these low-skilled uneducated workers pay? The most, a few grand; if that. How much do they pay in terms of county tax?

Edited September 15, 2009 by Booyah!

[HAL 9000 96]

I'd like to see real numbers, not numbers that fit a particular agenda. Agenda being what it is- I think its better on the public interest that these US Citizens be educated rather than become a public charge, costing much higher costs down the line. Realistically they are not subject to [ETA:] deportation and their citizenship is US citizenship.

Now as for legislating that future babies born in the US have to pass a parental test to be able to be given citizenship, that's fine if you want to fight for it.

Edited September 15, 2009 by HAL 9000

[tmma 467]

I'd like to see real numbers

I'm seeing another Math debate on the way....

[HAL 9000 96]

I'd like to see real numbers

I'm seeing another Math debate on the way....

There's common sense and then there's common sense. I prefer to keep real numbers in the real numbers range and imaginary numbers on the imaginary numbers range. Once you mix them you get that pesky italicized i in expressions once you go higher or lower than 0i.