Bill Cosby comments on Obama’s statement on Harvard prof’s arrest

[William33 110]

Yelling at a police officer Oh my god the insecure little babies. They don't like being yelled at!

Most cops are fascist pigs with a diva complex.

You need a chat with Dean....He can help you...

[Ban Hammer 14,573]

Who do I look like, Mr. Rogers?

If you lived in a state as sparsely populated as Kansas, you'd be friends with your neighbors too. After all, they would be the only human beings in a 25 mile radius.

In the NE, we get to pick our own friends.

maybe we're just friendlier here

[Ban Hammer 14,573]

Had he cooperated like a good citizen, this would not be news.

the fascist speaks.

Any cogent thoughts on the topic?

Yes. Anyone who thinks cops (and other authority figures) automatically deserve respect by virtue of their position and condone acts of violence (example, handcuffing) against those who do not give them that respect, is a fascist.

handcuffing isn't an act of violence - unless you resist.

you need to watch "cops" once or twice - the police may handcuff someone so the police to continue their investigation safely.

[Peikko 1,575]

Yelling at a police officer Oh my god the insecure little babies. They don't like being yelled at!

Most cops are fascist pigs with a diva complex.

Is that true? US caps can't be yelled at? Wow, that's f'd up.

I would resent being handcuffed just to be questioned - that sort of police treatment isn't meted out in the UK, although if you riot, you might get beaten with a truncheon.

[William33 110]

It sucks. I am sure Officer Crawley has a decent enough record as an officer of the law. At what point do we allow personal attitudes, whether it be racial or not... influence how the law is executed on the street on old men with canes that are irate over being questioned after providing satisfactory proof that satisfies beyond a reasonable doubt the reason for the breaking and entry report.

I am amazed people that favor less government involvement in our lives are siding with the obvious intrusion into bully tactics once the logical steps have been likely met to eliminate the potential criminal complaint. It really does say something about the hypocrisy of politics.

Hal,

You have convinced yourself that these officers were out of line. At what point did Gates produce evidence that he owned the home? From my perspective, he only harassed the police, who were responding to a citizen's call about a potential burglary. Police only respond to evidence supplied at the instant they arrive on scene. We can "arm chair" this all night, but in reality, none of us were there. The Officers responded in the way they were trained, which was proper.

Then politics took over proper judgment.

[HAL 9000 96]

Obama's comment was wrong, given his limited understanding of the facts.

The police received a call about a potential burglary, they confronted the "suspect" who refused to cooperate by supplying ID and then he played the race card. Had he cooperated like a good citizen, this would not be news.

The now "victim" is an arrogant jackazz, who feels he is above the law. The cops were trying to protect his property for cripes sake....They were not aware that he was the homeowner at the time of the incident.

And yet he was arrested posterior to producing satisfactory verification of identity. No arrest, no news.

The incident is not the call. Its the attitude beyond the call and most certainly the attitude that became an unbookable offense. Anyway that's been covered repeatedly in the multiple Gates threads.

Yelling at a Police Officer and not cooperating during the conduct of an investigation is a bookable offense. In this instance, disorderly conduct.

Given the media coverage and Executive level attention, the cops are backing down....Not a good move.

Yeah... um hmm.

Like I also repeated several times, Gates should have shut his mouth. He also should have kindly asked the officers to leave once his identity was confirmed. But that didn't happen, just like any given individual has the personality he or she has, and that is not on the books.

Sure, cities/states have disorderly conduct ordinance. And these are likely the most common bookable offenses right?

They are also likely the most overflexed too. As in this case.

[HAL 9000 96]

It sucks. I am sure Officer Crawley has a decent enough record as an officer of the law. At what point do we allow personal attitudes, whether it be racial or not... influence how the law is executed on the street on old men with canes that are irate over being questioned after providing satisfactory proof that satisfies beyond a reasonable doubt the reason for the breaking and entry report.

I am amazed people that favor less government involvement in our lives are siding with the obvious intrusion into bully tactics once the logical steps have been likely met to eliminate the potential criminal complaint. It really does say something about the hypocrisy of politics.

Hal,

You have convinced yourself that these officers were out of line. At what point did Gates produce evidence that he owned the home? From my perspective, he only harassed the police, who were responding to a citizen's call about a potential burglary. Police only respond to evidence supplied at the instant they arrive on scene. We can "arm chair" this all night, but in reality, none of us were there. The Officers responded in the way they were trained, which was proper.

Then politics took over proper judgment.

Read the police report. Its quite clear the ID was verified previous to the drive to arrest.

At that point the officers had no reason to be there and Officer Crawley had no reason to ask Gates to exit his home to continue answering questions. Its that easy, really.

[G&R 0]

note to self: if neighbors are unfriendly, they are probably liberals.

[natty bumppo 297]

It sucks. I am sure Officer Crawley has a decent enough record as an officer of the law. At what point do we allow personal attitudes, whether it be racial or not... influence how the law is executed on the street on old men with canes that are irate over being questioned after providing satisfactory proof that satisfies beyond a reasonable doubt the reason for the breaking and entry report.

I am amazed people that favor less government involvement in our lives are siding with the obvious intrusion into bully tactics once the logical steps have been likely met to eliminate the potential criminal complaint. It really does say something about the hypocrisy of politics.

Hal,

You have convinced yourself that these officers were out of line. At what point did Gates produce evidence that he owned the home? From my perspective, he only harassed the police, who were responding to a citizen's call about a potential burglary. Police only respond to evidence supplied at the instant they arrive on scene. We can "arm chair" this all night, but in reality, none of us were there. The Officers responded in the way they were trained, which was proper.

Then politics took over proper judgment.

Read the police report. Its quite clear the ID was verified previous to the drive to arrest.

At that point the officers had no reason to be there and Officer Crawley had no reason to ask Gates to exit his home to continue answering questions. Its that easy, really.

and the prof could have easily said "bye officer ... have a nice day" then stayed inside and closed the door.

[William33 110]

It sucks. I am sure Officer Crawley has a decent enough record as an officer of the law. At what point do we allow personal attitudes, whether it be racial or not... influence how the law is executed on the street on old men with canes that are irate over being questioned after providing satisfactory proof that satisfies beyond a reasonable doubt the reason for the breaking and entry report.

I am amazed people that favor less government involvement in our lives are siding with the obvious intrusion into bully tactics once the logical steps have been likely met to eliminate the potential criminal complaint. It really does say something about the hypocrisy of politics.

Hal,

You have convinced yourself that these officers were out of line. At what point did Gates produce evidence that he owned the home? From my perspective, he only harassed the police, who were responding to a citizen's call about a potential burglary. Police only respond to evidence supplied at the instant they arrive on scene. We can "arm chair" this all night, but in reality, none of us were there. The Officers responded in the way they were trained, which was proper.

Then politics took over proper judgment.

Read the police report. Its quite clear the ID was verified previous to the drive to arrest.

At that point the officers had no reason to be there and Officer Crawley had no reason to ask Gates to exit his home to continue answering questions. Its that easy, really.

As a US Citizen, you have a duty to cooperate with Police; if you choose to harass instead, you get booked. This is not overreach nor out of line.

That is plain and simple, yet people have a hard time with this concept. Having said that, sure; some cops are over the line every day. I think this whole issue is overblown.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Yelling at a police officer Oh my god the insecure little babies. They don't like being yelled at!

Most cops are fascist pigs with a diva complex.

Is that true? US caps can't be yelled at? Wow, that's f'd up.

The police do exert a lot of power, whether it is lawful, or not. I had Sheriff deputies force there way into an apartment I was living in, on a two year old warrant, at 4 am, looking for someone I never heard of. I complained the next morning, received apologies, but nothing ever happened because of it.

I am not a fan of the police, and think they are mostly ineffective. I have a few clients that are police officers, and they are not big fans either of their departments either. For them, it is mostly a job, and like all civil servants, try to do as little as possible, and still keep their jobs.

I think Dr. Gates could have played the game, and he might have gotten his apology. He didn't and like any civil servant when you confront them, they exercise what authority they have to mess with your life.

[HAL 9000 96]

It sucks. I am sure Officer Crawley has a decent enough record as an officer of the law. At what point do we allow personal attitudes, whether it be racial or not... influence how the law is executed on the street on old men with canes that are irate over being questioned after providing satisfactory proof that satisfies beyond a reasonable doubt the reason for the breaking and entry report.

I am amazed people that favor less government involvement in our lives are siding with the obvious intrusion into bully tactics once the logical steps have been likely met to eliminate the potential criminal complaint. It really does say something about the hypocrisy of politics.

Hal,

You have convinced yourself that these officers were out of line. At what point did Gates produce evidence that he owned the home? From my perspective, he only harassed the police, who were responding to a citizen's call about a potential burglary. Police only respond to evidence supplied at the instant they arrive on scene. We can "arm chair" this all night, but in reality, none of us were there. The Officers responded in the way they were trained, which was proper.

Then politics took over proper judgment.

Read the police report. Its quite clear the ID was verified previous to the drive to arrest.

At that point the officers had no reason to be there and Officer Crawley had no reason to ask Gates to exit his home to continue answering questions. Its that easy, really.

and the prof could have easily said "bye officer ... have a nice day" then stayed inside and closed the door.

Sure I already said that... somewhere.

He could have said that. And the officer could have left either way. The officer could have apologized for the trouble too. Just like Batman would have done.

It sucks. I am sure Officer Crawley has a decent enough record as an officer of the law. At what point do we allow personal attitudes, whether it be racial or not... influence how the law is executed on the street on old men with canes that are irate over being questioned after providing satisfactory proof that satisfies beyond a reasonable doubt the reason for the breaking and entry report.

I am amazed people that favor less government involvement in our lives are siding with the obvious intrusion into bully tactics once the logical steps have been likely met to eliminate the potential criminal complaint. It really does say something about the hypocrisy of politics.

Hal,

You have convinced yourself that these officers were out of line. At what point did Gates produce evidence that he owned the home? From my perspective, he only harassed the police, who were responding to a citizen's call about a potential burglary. Police only respond to evidence supplied at the instant they arrive on scene. We can "arm chair" this all night, but in reality, none of us were there. The Officers responded in the way they were trained, which was proper.

Then politics took over proper judgment.

Read the police report. Its quite clear the ID was verified previous to the drive to arrest.

At that point the officers had no reason to be there and Officer Crawley had no reason to ask Gates to exit his home to continue answering questions. Its that easy, really.

As a US Citizen, you have a duty to cooperate with Police; if you choose to harass instead, you get booked. This is not overreach nor out of line.

That is plain and simple, yet people have a hard time with this concept. Having said that, sure; some cops are over the line every day. I think this whole issue is overblown.

It is overblown. Starting from the clear point the police had no issue to be there after the ID was confirmed. The prof couldn't arrest himself you know.

[natty bumppo 297]

It sucks. I am sure Officer Crawley has a decent enough record as an officer of the law. At what point do we allow personal attitudes, whether it be racial or not... influence how the law is executed on the street on old men with canes that are irate over being questioned after providing satisfactory proof that satisfies beyond a reasonable doubt the reason for the breaking and entry report.

I am amazed people that favor less government involvement in our lives are siding with the obvious intrusion into bully tactics once the logical steps have been likely met to eliminate the potential criminal complaint. It really does say something about the hypocrisy of politics.

Hal,

You have convinced yourself that these officers were out of line. At what point did Gates produce evidence that he owned the home? From my perspective, he only harassed the police, who were responding to a citizen's call about a potential burglary. Police only respond to evidence supplied at the instant they arrive on scene. We can "arm chair" this all night, but in reality, none of us were there. The Officers responded in the way they were trained, which was proper.

Then politics took over proper judgment.

Read the police report. Its quite clear the ID was verified previous to the drive to arrest.

At that point the officers had no reason to be there and Officer Crawley had no reason to ask Gates to exit his home to continue answering questions. Its that easy, really.

and the prof could have easily said "bye officer ... have a nice day" then stayed inside and closed the door.

Sure I already said that... somewhere.

He could have said that. And the officer could have left either way. The officer could have apologized for the trouble too. Just like Batman would have done.

maybe if we keep going in circles ... tomorrow will get here sooner and this will be old news

[Heracles 417]

Yelling at a police officer Oh my god the insecure little babies. They don't like being yelled at!

Most cops are fascist pigs with a diva complex.

Unlike you the secure tough guy.

[HAL 9000 96]

It sucks. I am sure Officer Crawley has a decent enough record as an officer of the law. At what point do we allow personal attitudes, whether it be racial or not... influence how the law is executed on the street on old men with canes that are irate over being questioned after providing satisfactory proof that satisfies beyond a reasonable doubt the reason for the breaking and entry report.

I am amazed people that favor less government involvement in our lives are siding with the obvious intrusion into bully tactics once the logical steps have been likely met to eliminate the potential criminal complaint. It really does say something about the hypocrisy of politics.

Hal,

You have convinced yourself that these officers were out of line. At what point did Gates produce evidence that he owned the home? From my perspective, he only harassed the police, who were responding to a citizen's call about a potential burglary. Police only respond to evidence supplied at the instant they arrive on scene. We can "arm chair" this all night, but in reality, none of us were there. The Officers responded in the way they were trained, which was proper.

Then politics took over proper judgment.

Read the police report. Its quite clear the ID was verified previous to the drive to arrest.

At that point the officers had no reason to be there and Officer Crawley had no reason to ask Gates to exit his home to continue answering questions. Its that easy, really.

and the prof could have easily said "bye officer ... have a nice day" then stayed inside and closed the door.

Sure I already said that... somewhere.

He could have said that. And the officer could have left either way. The officer could have apologized for the trouble too. Just like Batman would have done.

maybe if we keep going in circles ... tomorrow will get here sooner and this will be old news

yay.

We can also team up on one of those Japanese game shows where we have to dizzy up and then do an obstacle course.