is this enough proof for ongoing relationship?

[sara..... 371]

i sent 4 various t-mobile bills

one from dec of 2007

one from april 2008

one from may 2008

one from sept 2008

5 pictures of us together last year

4 screen caps of a msn conversation (with webcam on)

will it be enough??

Enough for what. You have no timeline. None of this is needed with the petition but you should have more if it's for the interview.

i just send the I-129F in today....i dont have the timeline yet. are you saying i didnt need any of this yet?

Yes, that's what I'm saying. What you needed with the petition was primary evidence you met in person during the past two years. That would be things like boarding passes and passport stamps. Did you include those?

Your timeline is that you just sent the I-129F today.

yup...i could only find two of my airline stubs tho...from here to qatar and from qatar to pakistan.

one thing im wondering....i became citizen through my parents...so i sent copy of my passport. is the first page of my passport sufficient to prove im a citizen?

i also received my citizenship thru my parents and the instructions clearly state to provide copy of the the complete passport if ur using ur passport as proof of ur citizenship. this means every single page. if u will try to take short cuts to get thru the process its going to be a very long process due to rfe that they send u for items u neglected to send with ur petition

good luck to u

sara

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

i sent 4 various t-mobile bills

one from dec of 2007

one from april 2008

one from may 2008

one from sept 2008

5 pictures of us together last year

4 screen caps of a msn conversation (with webcam on)

will it be enough??

You haven't filled in your timeline so we cannot tell what consulate you are using (if it is for an interview) Consulates vary, some are really easy, some not so easy. It depends on the situations in that country, etc. More is better. I also suggest avoiding internet type evidence. Emails are OK, photos are great, and phone bills are good, why not all of them?

For proof of ongoing relationship (interview) you need to convince someone that doesn't know you (and in 10 minutes or less) that you have a legitimate ongoing relationship. For the petition you only need to show you have met one time in person within the last two years.

[pushbrk 12,233]

i sent 4 various t-mobile bills

one from dec of 2007

one from april 2008

one from may 2008

one from sept 2008

5 pictures of us together last year

4 screen caps of a msn conversation (with webcam on)

will it be enough??

You haven't filled in your timeline so we cannot tell what consulate you are using (if it is for an interview) Consulates vary, some are really easy, some not so easy. It depends on the situations in that country, etc. More is better. I also suggest avoiding internet type evidence. Emails are OK, photos are great, and phone bills are good, why not all of them?

For proof of ongoing relationship (interview) you need to convince someone that doesn't know you (and in 10 minutes or less) that you have a legitimate ongoing relationship. For the petition you only need to show you have met one time in person within the last two years.

When it comes to the interview, if it takes more than about 30 seconds to convince the Consular Officer the relationship is bona fide, you're fighting a real uphill battle.

[lucyrich 19]

Also, keep in mind exactly what it is you're trying to prove.

For the petition, you've got to prove you were actually together at some time in the two years before the petition was filed.

For the interview, it's not just that you have an ongoing relationship, but the really important thing is to prove that the relationship is not for the purpose of obtaining an immigration benefit. See INA 204( c ) and 275( c ). The difference may be subtle, but can be important. For example, undisputed evidence that you call each other is nice, but it's no absolute guarantee of approval, since people who marry for papers can call each other, too.

And yes, the amount and nature of required proof will vary widely from one consulate to another. It can also vary depending on whether your relationship seems to fit the norms of the country where the consulate is located or not.

[ikarus 1]

Nope - you (at the stage you just mentioned) need proof of having met in person (within the last 2 years) - not proof of an ongoing relationship.

i also send in a copy of my ticket stubs from my visit last year as well as copy of passport stamps...along with a few pictures that we took. will it enuf to prove i was there??

Yes. I take it by "ticket stubs" you mean "boarding passes". Yes, that's enough evidence of meeting. For the rest of the process, read carefully and interpret literally. Sounds like you accidently sent what you needed for "proof of meeting" while you were errantly focused on "proof of an ongoing relationship". They are not the same thing.

thanks alot. since i just sent the initial packet. wat is my next step? where can i dl the other forms?

and also i wanted to know if my first page of passport is enuf to establish that im citizen. i was born in pakistan so my birth cert. wont help. i became citizen thru parents.

I'm afraid you will be in for a long road. You have not read and comprehended the instructions for filing the I-129F. They indicate that to prove US Citizenship you provide a copy of all pages of your US Passport, a US birth certificate or Naturalization Certificate. As you progress through the visa process, I encourage you in the strongest terms to study the guides here and the instructions for all forms. If English as a second language is making it difficult to fully comprehend and follow the instructions, then get assistance from somebody with the necessary skills. This will be critical to your success in the visa process and your future happiness.

Please pay attention to what pushbrk tells you. His info helped me out a lot in the process.

If you a naturalized citizen, not only do you need to include all pages of your american passport, but you also need to include the naturalization certificate that proves you're a US citizen. And yes, you make a photocopy of the front and the back, even though the back is blank!

That's what the guides on this forum said to do, and i did and we had no problems.

As far as the other forms----when you come to the visajourney.com homepage, start on the link that says guides. Make sure you read that enough times so that you have an understanding of the abbreviations used, and workflows of the process. On the same page, you will also see a link for EXAMPLE FORMS. Those help a lot. Finally, I highly recommend you use the search functionality of the site. Tons of info is found using that.

Good luck.

[kbushra1 0]

i made a copy of all the pages in my passport which had anything on them...even if there was only one stamp.....did they need copies of the blank pages also?

[pushbrk 12,233]

i made a copy of all the pages in my passport which had anything on them...even if there was only one stamp.....did they need copies of the blank pages also?

The above statement conflicts with your earlier one but yes, that's what "all page" means.

[kbushra1 0]

i made a copy of all the pages in my passport which had anything on them...even if there was only one stamp.....did they need copies of the blank pages also?

The above statement conflicts with your earlier one but yes, that's what "all page" means.

oh man looks like it will get denied

[pushbrk 12,233]

i made a copy of all the pages in my passport which had anything on them...even if there was only one stamp.....did they need copies of the blank pages also?

The above statement conflicts with your earlier one but yes, that's what "all page" means.

oh man looks like it will get denied

I doubt it. At worst that kind of mistake will delay you a few weeks while you respond to an RFE for the missing information.

[kbushra1 0]

i made a copy of all the pages in my passport which had anything on them...even if there was only one stamp.....did they need copies of the blank pages also?

The above statement conflicts with your earlier one but yes, that's what "all page" means.

oh man looks like it will get denied

I doubt it. At worst that kind of mistake will delay you a few weeks while you respond to an RFE for the missing information.

thanks alot pal...u have been really helpful. i wish i had waited til tomorrow to send in the petition but now theres nothing i can do while making the copies of my passport today at kinkos, i even thought of making copies of all the pages. but then i thought why would they need the blank pages? it was a dumb mistake by me

i had been looking over this site for over 2 months now...i thought i had everything down. but unfortunately messed up still

[pushbrk 12,233]

i made a copy of all the pages in my passport which had anything on them...even if there was only one stamp.....did they need copies of the blank pages also?

The above statement conflicts with your earlier one but yes, that's what "all page" means.

oh man looks like it will get denied

I doubt it. At worst that kind of mistake will delay you a few weeks while you respond to an RFE for the missing information.

thanks alot pal...u have been really helpful. i wish i had waited til tomorrow to send in the petition but now theres nothing i can do while making the copies of my passport today at kinkos, i even thought of making copies of all the pages. but then i thought why would they need the blank pages? it was a dumb mistake by me

i had been looking over this site for over 2 months now...i thought i had everything down. but unfortunately messed up still

Frankly, and with all due respect, your mistake was not failing to wait an extra day. Your mistake was failing to study the guides and form instructions carefully, interpret them literally and then follow them. You can learn from that mistake as you prepare for the next steps.

[FCH 1]

i sent about the same but was given an RFE. they wanted more.

so we sent more pics, more emails, more chat logs. and skype call archives.

we also sent photocopies of passport entry stamps.

good luck.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

You will get an RFE and delay things, not denied.

This is a very strange process and full of dualities and contradicitons. On the one hand you need to study and read and re-read the instructions and guides and have your wits fully about you. On the other hand you need to stop thinking "What would they need that for?" It is a good question. What do they need a copy of the BACK of your citizenship record for, it is blank. But it says to send copies of it "front and back", if you do not, you will get an RFE. When it says "all pages" it means ALL pages, I included front and back cover and NEVER, now or in the future, send partial copies of the passport. For example, when you provide proof of relationship, copy ALL pages of passport (including front and back cover) and attach letter pointing out the pages with the passport stamps you refer to. A partial page copy could be anyone's passport.

Pushbrk is correct. This stage is almost a "pass". You will get an RFE, you will provide what they need and they will approve the petition (probably). But when you get to the interview stage you could easily fail and THEN you get a denial. So be careful. When it comes to proving ongoing realtionship, try to be able to give lots of what the instructions suggest. They do NOT suggest weblogs with web cam photos, for example. They do not suggest printouts of instant message chats. They suggest photos of you together, telephone bills, letters (emails are acceptable), receipts for travel, etc. You could very well be denied if the bulk of your "evidence" is of the electronic kind and I won't even argue that the consulates are "behind the times" doesn't matter, like Pushbrk said, they will make decision in 30 seconds (I was WAY optomistic to say 10 minutes) what will you give them to decide in your favor? All the information you need is there in the instructions and here on this site. I cannot say enough for the experience available here on this site. It is a real treasure. Anyone that is a member here simply has no excuse not to succeed in thie efforts if they are sincere. This is an important step in your life, invest some hours reading the forums here, I read 10 times as many posts as I respond to. I am still reading. I think having a foreign wife is a lifetime of learning and studying and the "journey" is much more than the K-1 visa. I am very impressed that so many people who have "completed" their journey continue to help others here.

Good luck

[Carlos and Jocel 2]

i sent 4 various t-mobile bills

one from dec of 2007

one from april 2008

one from may 2008

one from sept 2008

5 pictures of us together last year

4 screen caps of a msn conversation (with webcam on)

will it be enough??

uummmmn you van add an affidavit from friends and relatives that you were together or spent time together. Any receipts of stuff ypou bought or hotel/motel you sent time together. The more you have the less they question ur ongoing relationship, wish you luck!

[Revived 0]

i made a copy of all the pages in my passport which had anything on them...even if there was only one stamp.....did they need copies of the blank pages also?

The above statement conflicts with your earlier one but yes, that's what "all page" means.

oh man looks like it will get denied

I doubt it. At worst that kind of mistake will delay you a few weeks while you respond to an RFE for the missing information.

thanks alot pal...u have been really helpful. i wish i had waited til tomorrow to send in the petition but now theres nothing i can do while making the copies of my passport today at kinkos, i even thought of making copies of all the pages. but then i thought why would they need the blank pages? it was a dumb mistake by me

i had been looking over this site for over 2 months now...i thought i had everything down. but unfortunately messed up still

you r making mistakes here buddy.. this is the easy part... once @ embassy stage... trust me ISL is not an easy embassy to deal w/=) they dun mind putting ppl on Admin processing for a v v long time=)

I highly recommend you study the process first .. b a step ahead...

good lucks!