GO ARGENTINA!! President Kirchner says "sovereign claim to" Falklands Islands "is inalienable" ....

[almaty 19]

'Tis a 'Pistols reference. Johnny Rotten & his soap-dodging brethren.

correct as always brother stevie..a great band and yes, they were indeed strangers to soap and water

[HAL 9000 96]

I would agree - but I'm not sure how the Argentinian people are being negatively impacted by Britain's ownership of the islands. If they had a sizeable population there living under British rule, that would be one thing. But they don't - so asking 3000 odd people to abandon their homes and businesses just so another country can stroll in and take it over (just because) doesn't seem particularly fair to the established population.

As it is I think Spain has a greater claim to Gibraltar, given the diverse makeup of the people living there.

In all of these case's though - the ultimate determination should surely be made by a referendum of the people living there.

Hypothetically speaking I'd agree... unfortunately even though I do think there are more Argentines than Brits, they probably care more about the Pound than the Peso... not the best generalization but its what I've seen with actual colonial subjects that rarely go the logical, sovereign route. Malvinas/Falklands is not the best example for a colonial territory in the geographical sense.

As for Gibraltar... wow... now that is a particularity isn't it?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I would agree - but I'm not sure how the Argentinian people are being negatively impacted by Britain's ownership of the islands. If they had a sizeable population there living under British rule, that would be one thing. But they don't - so asking 3000 odd people to abandon their homes and businesses just so another country can stroll in and take it over (just because) doesn't seem particularly fair to the established population.

As it is I think Spain has a greater claim to Gibraltar, given the diverse makeup of the people living there.

In all of these case's though - the ultimate determination should surely be made by a referendum of the people living there.

Hypothetically speaking I'd agree... unfortunately even though I do think there are more Argentines than Brits, they probably care more about the Pound than the Peso... not the best generalization but its what I've seen with actual colonial subjects that rarely go the logical, sovereign route. Malvinas/Falklands is not the best example for a colonial territory in the geographical sense.

As for Gibraltar... wow... now that is a particularity isn't it?

There are Argentinians living on the Falklands?

News to me - I thought the total population was around 3000, overwhelmingly British or of British descent.

Gibraltar is pretty much an international city - Spain's been after its return for years now, but the population, separate from any influence by the UK govt have voted for it to remain as a British territory.

In these cases, I think the wishes of the people living in a place should come before any foreign govts claim to ownership of the territory.

[HAL 9000 96]

I would agree - but I'm not sure how the Argentinian people are being negatively impacted by Britain's ownership of the islands. If they had a sizeable population there living under British rule, that would be one thing. But they don't - so asking 3000 odd people to abandon their homes and businesses just so another country can stroll in and take it over (just because) doesn't seem particularly fair to the established population.

As it is I think Spain has a greater claim to Gibraltar, given the diverse makeup of the people living there.

In all of these case's though - the ultimate determination should surely be made by a referendum of the people living there.

Hypothetically speaking I'd agree... unfortunately even though I do think there are more Argentines than Brits, they probably care more about the Pound than the Peso... not the best generalization but its what I've seen with actual colonial subjects that rarely go the logical, sovereign route. Malvinas/Falklands is not the best example for a colonial territory in the geographical sense.

As for Gibraltar... wow... now that is a particularity isn't it?

There are Argentinians living on the Falklands?

News to me - I thought the total population was around 3000, overwhelmingly British or of British descent.

Gibraltar is pretty much an international city - Spain's been after its return for years now, but the population, separate from any influence by the UK govt have voted for it to remain as a British territory.

In these cases, I think the wishes of the people living in a place should come before any foreign govts claim to ownership of the territory.

Yes, I've heard there are new arrivals from Bs As on the Islands... young blood. Increasing on a yearly basis. Perhaps I am incorrect.

As for what people want... well you and I know its a lot more complicated than that at times. In the islands I think its pretty easy to see and for Gibraltar I don't think most actually care given the current state of European politics.

[JVKn'CVO 11]

Thank you to all those that support Argentina's claim!

I won't elaborate on this issue, as I feel very strongly about it and it has made me upset to discuss it in the past. I will say that I fully support Argentina's claim, achieved through diplomatic negotiation.

Anyone who is interested on this topic, a lot of good information can fe found both on Wikipedia, and the UN's website section on decolonization.

Go the Kirchners!!!!

Saludos,

Caro

: the Falklands are Argentina...

Britian, an example of a former colonial power, trying to hang on too a samll island far from home.////oh well, india is gone .......but damn, we draw the line on the Falklands,. it is vital for our national interests..................colonialism is wrong

Thank you brother Dean! ((hugs))

I would agree - but I'm not sure how the Argentinian people are being negatively impacted by Britain's ownership of the islands. If they had a sizeable population there living under British rule, that would be one thing. But they don't - so asking 3000 odd people to abandon their homes and businesses just so another country can stroll in and take it over (just because) doesn't seem particularly fair to the established population.

As it is I think Spain has a greater claim to Gibraltar, given the diverse makeup of the people living there.

In all of these case's though - the ultimate determination should surely be made by a referendum of the people living there.

* The Malvinas give the UK a claim to part of Antartica, claim that overlaps with ours

*In case of war, that would be an estrategic point and a threat to our security

*The use of natural resources "22 September 2007, The Guardian reported the UK government was preparing to stake new claims on the sea floor around the Falklands and other UK remote island possessions, in order to exploit natural resources that may be present. In October 2007, a British spokeswoman confirmed that Britain intended to submit a claim[26] to the UN to extend seabed territory around the Falklands and South Georgia, in advance of the expiry of the deadline[27] for territorial claims following Britain's ratification of the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention."

*Colonialism is a practice that we know has to end and the UN has been making great efforts on decolonication, yet the Malvinas remain in the hands of others

*The Malvinas are in Argentina's sea platform, that is considered as much part of the mainland of a country as the air space. for those who don't know, the Malvinas are in the southest point of Argentina...on the opposite side of the world to the UK!

Saludos,

Caro

[Alex & Rachel 78]

So...what happens to the actual inhabitants?

[Ban Hammer 14,585]

So...what happens to the actual inhabitants?

i guess they don't have any say about things.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So...what happens to the actual inhabitants?

I can't imagine the UK will give up that territory while the population there wants to remain under UK sovereignty.

[simple_male 1]

Thank you to all those that support Argentina's claim!

I won't elaborate on this issue, as I feel very strongly about it and it has made me upset to discuss it in the past. I will say that I fully support Argentina's claim, achieved through diplomatic negotiation.

Anyone who is interested on this topic, a lot of good information can fe found both on Wikipedia, and the UN's website section on decolonization.

Go the Kirchners!!!!

Saludos,

Caro

: the Falklands are Argentina...

Britian, an example of a former colonial power, trying to hang on too a samll island far from home.////oh well, india is gone .......but damn, we draw the line on the Falklands,. it is vital for our national interests..................colonialism is wrong

Thank you brother Dean! ((hugs))

I would agree - but I'm not sure how the Argentinian people are being negatively impacted by Britain's ownership of the islands. If they had a sizeable population there living under British rule, that would be one thing. But they don't - so asking 3000 odd people to abandon their homes and businesses just so another country can stroll in and take it over (just because) doesn't seem particularly fair to the established population.

As it is I think Spain has a greater claim to Gibraltar, given the diverse makeup of the people living there.

In all of these case's though - the ultimate determination should surely be made by a referendum of the people living there.

* The Malvinas give the UK a claim to part of Antartica, claim that overlaps with ours

*In case of war, that would be an estrategic point and a threat to our security

*The use of natural resources "22 September 2007, The Guardian reported the UK government was preparing to stake new claims on the sea floor around the Falklands and other UK remote island possessions, in order to exploit natural resources that may be present. In October 2007, a British spokeswoman confirmed that Britain intended to submit a claim[26] to the UN to extend seabed territory around the Falklands and South Georgia, in advance of the expiry of the deadline[27] for territorial claims following Britain's ratification of the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention."

*Colonialism is a practice that we know has to end and the UN has been making great efforts on decolonication, yet the Malvinas remain in the hands of others

*The Malvinas are in Argentina's sea platform, that is considered as much part of the mainland of a country as the air space. for those who don't know, the Malvinas are in the southest point of Argentina...on the opposite side of the world to the UK!

Saludos,

Caro

I think, Argentina has good points and so has UK. The majority of the inhabitants are British. So what will happen to them? That is why, both UK and Argentina have to engage in dialogue and hopefully can resolve this. Yes, Islas Malvinas is further in Uouthern Atlantic ocean whereas UK is in Northern Atlantic which I am sure we all are aware of.

By the way, what do you think about futbol match series between Argentina Vs Britain (or England) as to increase the confidence bulidings. There can be a 3-game series every 4 years, first edition can be either in UK or Argentina depends on who wins the coin toss. When it will be held in Argentina, the tournament can be called as "Copa Malvinas" and when it will be in UK, it will be "Faulkland Cup." Possible venues, Stadio Monumental, La Bombarena, Cordoba in Argentina and Wembley, Old Trafford, Anfield in UK. If you (JVKnCVO and Number 6) like the idea, can you propose it to Madam Kirschner and PM Brown?

[JVKn'CVO 11]

So...what happens to the actual inhabitants?

i guess they don't have any say about things.

I'm sorry for them, they have the worst deal on this...but really, it makes no sense that they want to be british while living on the opposite side of the world to England...maybe the transition could be done gradually...give generous incentives to the people that move too...I'm sure both countries working together could come up with better deals for the people than this humble poster... but decolonization has got to continue, and we need to continue to evolve in the modern world....they have to realize that there is no place for colonies in the modern map...

Saludos,

Caro

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

for sale: argentinian army rifle, never fired, dropped only once.

lol PWNED!!

[mawilson 2,133]

So...what happens to the actual inhabitants?

i guess they don't have any say about things.

I'm sorry for them, they have the worst deal on this...but really, it makes no sense that they want to be british while living on the opposite side of the world to England...maybe the transition could be done gradually...give generous incentives to the people that move too...I'm sure both countries working together could come up with better deals for the people than this humble poster... but decolonization has got to continue, and we need to continue to evolve in the modern world....they have to realize that there is no place for colonies in the modern map...

I'm sorry for you guys, but we're keeping the Falklands. If you don't like it, you can always get your ####### whipped. Again.

Saludos,

mawilson

[JVKn'CVO 11]

So...what happens to the actual inhabitants?

i guess they don't have any say about things.

I'm sorry for them, they have the worst deal on this...but really, it makes no sense that they want to be british while living on the opposite side of the world to England...maybe the transition could be done gradually...give generous incentives to the people that move too...I'm sure both countries working together could come up with better deals for the people than this humble poster... but decolonization has got to continue, and we need to continue to evolve in the modern world....they have to realize that there is no place for colonies in the modern map...

Saludos,

Caro

I will say this as my final statement on this thread, as this is making a turn to the uglier side, and as I said at the beginning, I don't want to get upset about this issue.

The point on this issue, is: Is colonialism wrong? Is it wrong that the kelpers are in Argentine soil? are "the falklands" argentine soil?

My opinion is: yes

The rest - how, when, and if this wrong will be righted - then that's another story. I hope it does.

Saludos,

Caro

[franklie 0]

For my part I cannot see why the people living in the Falklands/las Islas Malvinas would want to be under Argentinean rule.

Life under British rule is much more stable.

There aren't military takeovers, unstable governments (though there are those that say Tony Blair's government wasn't the most stable, but I digress), military juntas, los desaparecidos, crappy economy as experienced by the Argentinean people.

Mind you I have nothing against the Argentinean people but as a rule the governance of Latin American countries bytes. Maybe the influx of women to power in those countries will bring a turn about in the corruption and instability of those countries.

And maybe the US would stop meddling in the affairs of its neighbors to the South...

[Ban Hammer 14,585]

For my part I cannot see why the people living in the Falklands/las Islas Malvinas would want to be under Argentinean rule.

Life under British rule is much more stable.

There aren't military takeovers, unstable governments (though there are those that say Tony Blair's government wasn't the most stable, but I digress), military juntas, los desaparecidos, crappy economy as experienced by the Argentinean people.

Mind you I have nothing against the Argentinean people but as a rule the governance of Latin American countries bytes. Maybe the influx of women to power in those countries will bring a turn about in the corruption and instability of those countries.

And maybe the US would stop meddling in the affairs of its neighbors to the South...

another plus - the british pound is far more stable.