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Should the Oath of Allegiance be a blood oath?

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  1. 1. Should the Oath of Allegiance be a blood oath?

    • Hell yeah, the oath should be signed in blood to seal the commitment
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    • No, it is no longer possible to expect a lifelong commitment from naturalized citizens
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The USA should eliminate dual citizenship. The USA should require new citizens to surrender their old country's passport and formally notify their former country that the new US citizen has relinquished their former citizenship. No need for blood.

That should weed out the opportunists and the insincere.

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"Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave."

"...for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process."

US Congresswoman Barbara Jordan (D-TX)

Testimony to the House Immigration Subcommittee, February 24, 1995

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The USA should eliminate dual citizenship. The USA should require new citizens to surrender their old country's passport and formally notify their former country that the new US citizen has relinquished their former citizenship. No need for blood.

That should weed out the opportunists and the insincere.

I agree with that, actually. Dual citizenship is just wrong. Is it so hard to pick a country??


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I'm eligible for four citizenships, and I aim to collect all of them except Israel's. This is 2008 and we live in a globalized world. Don't expect people to have just one national identity. It's possible to be loyal to two nations. I don't fault anyone a single bit for wanting to be a citizen of the U.S. even if they don't love it like they love another country, because you never know if you're going to be randomly deported as PR here.

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The USA should eliminate dual citizenship. The USA should require new citizens to surrender their old country's passport and formally notify their former country that the new US citizen has relinquished their former citizenship. No need for blood.

That should weed out the opportunists and the insincere.

I agree with that, actually. Dual citizenship is just wrong. Is it so hard to pick a country??

I somewhat agree with that, although I can see how one could owe allegiance to two countries

at the same time (especially if the countries in question are staunch allies.)

That said, I have met a number of "immigrants" who hate America and Americans and

only stay here for the money. They get naturalized and get US passports so they can

travel around the world visa-free, all the while spewing venom about this country.

I think that's just wrong.


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The USA should eliminate dual citizenship. The USA should require new citizens to surrender their old country's passport and formally notify their former country that the new US citizen has relinquished their former citizenship. No need for blood.

That should weed out the opportunists and the insincere.

You don't think it's possible to love two countries?

Do you have children? As in more than one? Do you think you should have had to disown the first in order to have the second?


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The USA should eliminate dual citizenship. The USA should require new citizens to surrender their old country's passport and formally notify their former country that the new US citizen has relinquished their former citizenship. No need for blood.

That should weed out the opportunists and the insincere.

You don't think it's possible to love two countries?

Do you have children? As in more than one? Do you think you should have had to disown the first in order to have the second?

Do you have more than one spouse? Why not? Just cuz you can't in the USA? Otherwise you would?


"Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave."

"...for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process."

US Congresswoman Barbara Jordan (D-TX)

Testimony to the House Immigration Subcommittee, February 24, 1995

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I'm eligible for four citizenships, and I aim to collect all of them except Israel's. This is 2008 and we live in a globalized world. Don't expect people to have just one national identity. It's possible to be loyal to two nations. I don't fault anyone a single bit for wanting to be a citizen of the U.S. even if they don't love it like they love another country, because you never know if you're going to be randomly deported as PR here.

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The USA should eliminate dual citizenship. The USA should require new citizens to surrender their old country's passport and formally notify their former country that the new US citizen has relinquished their former citizenship. No need for blood.

That should weed out the opportunists and the insincere.

Say Wa?? :blink:

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I'm eligible for four citizenships, and I aim to collect all of them except Israel's. This is 2008 and we live in a globalized world. Don't expect people to have just one national identity. It's possible to be loyal to two nations. I don't fault anyone a single bit for wanting to be a citizen of the U.S. even if they don't love it like they love another country, because you never know if you're going to be randomly deported as PR here.

Sister, amen.

Identity politics in this global knowledge-based economy trascend geographical boundaries. Old conceptions of nationhood are being superseded by other ideas of loyalty.

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The USA should eliminate dual citizenship. The USA should require new citizens to surrender their old country's passport and formally notify their former country that the new US citizen has relinquished their former citizenship. No need for blood.

That should weed out the opportunists and the insincere.

I presently have two citizenships, British and Irish (with Irish parents, that citizenship is a birthright). The fact that I am in the US is because I married an American. Whilst we live here in the US, I would be equally happy living in the UK. I love the UK and I love the US. Just because I am a citizen of one, does not make me an opportunist or insincere by becoming a citizen of the other. I would not relinquish one citizenship to obtain another and nor should I have to. The US will not force me to surrender my UK passport if I become a US citizen, and this is possibly because they don't believe I am an opportunist or insincere. Some of us are not here by choice but merely circumstance. As with any good resident here in the US, I work, pay taxes, abide by the law, and speak highly of the US when discussing it with others. Maybe your experiences are different and you know a lot of scammers.

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