CNN article dated August 13, the other one is August 24, after she had died. 
 

They also believe she came on board with the infection and have changed their protocol to require negative Covid test within 3 days of sailing.

UK cruises look more hazardous 

https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2021/09/articles/disease/passenger-dies-after-super-spreader-covid-19-cruise-on-msc-virtuosa/

Where are your accurate numbers on those that have died or have been injured from the vaccine?
 

One off stories? Small events reported on VAERS?

public health

noun

1. the health of the population as a whole, especially as the subject of government regulation and support.

Israel, with its small population, would never take a risk and vaccinate as many as possible 3 times if it was so deadly and harmful. 
 

Average number of new infections reported each day in Israel falls by more than 4,500 over the last 3 weeks, 38% of its previous peak

COVID-19 infections are decreasing in Israel, with 3,706 new infections reported on average each day. That’s 34% of the peak — the highest daily average reported on September 13.

Per Dr. Reiner:

"We've lost 700,000 Americans now and fully 200,000 of those folks have died since vaccines have been available almost to everyone in this country, and every one of those deaths is unnecessary," he said. "So even though the news is great for this antiviral agent, really the message that people need to receive is 'get vaccinated.' No one needs to die from this virus."
 

These are numbers that are traceable, not yours without a prove-able factual basis.

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51 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

Another sad story, but at least she spent many days and potentially tens of thousands of dollars to do what she had been doing for decades prior to getting an unnecessary drug injection, eh?

My take on the story I shared:

1. had an extremely rare reaction to Pfizer’s COVID-19 . (395 MILLION COVID Vaccine DOSES in the US have been administered so far)
2. Your take: unnecessary  

https://www.wkrn.com/news/nashville-woman-partially-paralyzed-after-rare-reaction-to-covid-vaccine-walks-again/

Still scratching my head why VisaJourney isn’t monitored for misinformation 

3 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Yep, more government intrusion into our lives all for public health and social justice.  Government elite love power.

To all that share the above poster’s sentiments:

I’m grateful your views were not in vogue when the government implemented speed limits, a legal drinking age and limit, seatbelt laws and No Smoking in public all in the guise of loving power. 

56 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

People die every day, from hundreds of causes.  Why are we focusing on covid?  Is it significant?  What about AIDS?  What about cancer?  What about heart disease?  What about... OBESITY?  Opioid death?  MVA?

Here’s another one to add:

More kids were shot in Chicago than have died from COVID-19 nationwide

According to the American Medical Association 

“With approximately 40,000 Americans dying from firearm-related injuries each year in the United States, we need bold action to confront this public health crisis. Most of these deaths are preventable, and now is the time for lawmakers, policy leaders and advocates on all sides to seek common ground and save lives.”

#1. I didn’t author that statement. It’s a quote from a preprint, and it’s based on Israel’s study of Covid neutralizing antibodies. I’m also not trying to predict what will happen to everyone. I’m trying to keep myself safe and to enjoy my senior years. That requires the pandemic to end.

#2.Actually scientists are trying to figure out some of the answers to your questions, especially why Covid is so much more mild for children as compared to other respiratory  illnesses, possibly related to having fewer ACE2 receptors in their smaller noses and also possibly their immune systems don’t mount the same cytokine response as adults.

Again I wish you health during this pandemic.

 

29 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

For consideration:

https://escipub.com/Articles/IRJPH/IRJPH-2021-08-1005.pdf

Thank you to sharing the article which is very technical

 I personally don’t believe I’ve been in 1 public setting since the pandemic started, where people were properly masked. Many people lower their mask to talk. Or prefer it as a chin strap, and then there’s those that challenge the efficacy regardless. 
 

This article is a little easier on the eyes.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536

Even better, here’s a real life RECENT randomized study conducted by some reputable institutions.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/masks-were-working-all-along/619989/

1 hour ago, LIBrty4all said:

is purely supposition. 

Not sure what bonafides you have to label Israel’s studies ’supposition’. I’m genuinely interested in hearing the research you’ve done that refutes their methodology, but until you supply facts

(like show me that that people are dying from the jab), 

and not opinions which are like …), you can be certain your opinions will convince me of nothing.
 

I’m an information junkie, a data analyst and IT professional who evaluates test results every day of my professional life. Someone telling me their code works is not the arbiter of whether it gets to production. Proving the code works through test cases, gets the application installed.  And then we monitor, to see what real life situations failed our testing. 
 

I follow the same methodology in regards to my health. Studies matter, and Israel has openly shared their data as they get it. They are still gathering the facts and new information is available daily. I’m flexible to be able to adjust as it becomes available. 

And on that 98% that have survived Covid, it seems awfully cavalier to discard the magnitude of the number that actually didn’t.

I wish you and your loved ones health during  these trying times. For me, I’m grateful to everyone who was brave enough to participate in these clinical trials so that those of us that believe in the science and the data have a vaccine to take.

16 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

You're right, it's NOT backed by any study.  Well, except the study of humans and their natural immunity to ALL diseases such as covid for the past 1,000 years.

Yes, natural immunity happens.  Yes, it is far more effective than ANY man-made drug

Wow!

I guess natural immunity failed these folks!

Let’s not ignore his misinformation:

“Keep in mind that there are now countless millions of individuals who have contracted COVID-19 and survived. Those individuals will now have a natural immunity that does not require vaccination and appears to be superior to it. “

The above opinion is not backed by any study and completely contradicted by Israel real population examples.

“Have the vaccines shown efficacy in stopping COVID-19?

Stopping, no. Diminishing symptoms and hospitalizations, yes. As someone who is actively treating hospitalized COVID-19 patients, I cannot deny that a majority of those currently admitted are unvaccinated. This is a fact.”

I kind of liked that part, he mixes fact with more fiction…

I don’t recall anyone PROMISING the vaccine would eradicate COVID- I - recall that the push was to lessen hospitalization. 

7 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

It appears you pivoted from discussing the effects of the vaccine on children to adults.

We have been discussing public health and let’s be honest, how some facts get politicized by people with an agenda. I’ve been very clear about my agenda -  I am a supporter of public health backed by science and data, and for my personal consumption, the facts support masks properly worn and for the majority of people to get vaccinated. 
 

In regards to myocarditis, the potential that a child could unfortunately encounter that adverse reaction is definitely a topic a parent should be aware of and discuss with a pediatrician, as they make a decision, rather than 2 people sharing partial information on a social media site. 

We will all wait for the FDA/CDC to gather the facts/testing before authorizing the vaccine for younger than 12. 
 

On a totally different topic, let me share with you that I have an entry on the VAERS database. My mother was administered the Tdap vaccine in 2014, as a frail 86-year-old woman, by a gerontologist meeting her for the first time.  That vaccine had not been tested in the senior population (tho with the Covid vaccine trials some elderly were included). My mother experienced a great deal of nausea and stomach pain so she didn’t take her blood pressure medication (which shot up to an unsafe level), then she was aggressively treated in the emergency room of our local hospital, fell  into a coma, intubated and subsequently died. The CDC still recommends that vaccine for the elderly population. The vaccine did not ‘cause’ my mother’s death - I blame the physician for not knowing his patient and not being aware of potential adverse reactions and not informing my very bright mother so she could participate in the decision.
 

So that’s my story. I’m still a proponent of vaccination with reliable information. 

36 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

If a medical expert is terming myocarditis as benign, I would be questioning their thoughts on other things.  Yes, it is treatable, but of course it has to be identified first, and does every kid tell their parents/guardians they are hurting?

This is like whack-a-mole but I appreciate the discourse and the opportunity to share facts and not opinions. Many others can become informed and that is truly delightful. 
 

When you question someone’s competency with your opinion and no medical expertise, it’s your opinion (but not useful for public health decisions) .

A few replies ago, you stated (with flawed equations) there were 350,000 cases of teenage myocarditis, but now you’re saying they didn’t inform their parents????? Somehow that logic defies my comprehension.

But thank you again for stimulating me to gather more facts to counter your medical opinions.

However, based on data available to date, we can say that myocarditis occurring after COVID-19 immunization is rare. Kim et al1 estimated that more than 560 000 persons in the 6 counties surrounding their tertiary care institution had received 2 doses of an mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine by April 30, 2021; they detected 4 myocarditis cases by that date.1 The Military Health System administered more than 2.8 million doses of mRNA-based vaccines through April 30, 2021, and detected 23 myocarditis cases.2 Based on the military’s extensive experience with vaccinia-associated myocarditis,9 it is possible that the military system may be more likely to detect mild myocarditis cases than most civilian medical centers. 

and I’ve included a reputable link for your further reading (Please pay special attention to the section where they said all teenagers were recovering)

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2781600

19 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

I really would not consider myocarditis as benign

Once again, the use of ‘benign’ in this instance is taken from medical experts. In these cases it is BECAUSE  the myocarditis resolves within a week of treatment (mainly medication and rest).

Here’s the medical language PERTAINING to the vaccine:

Patients have typically had symptoms of chest pain, and were subsequently found to have elevated levels of troponin, abnormal electrocardiograms, and cardiac MRI patterns consistent with myocarditis. Thankfully, feared serious complications of myocarditis such as circulatory failure or dangerous arrhythmias appear to be exceptionally uncommon.
 

Sharing MORE FACTS from your Wikipedia reference:

Note: All this preceded COVID/vaccines:

Myocarditis is most often due to a viral infection.

In 2013, about 1.5 million cases of acute myocarditis occurred.[6] While people of all ages are affected, the young are most often affected.[7] It is slightly more common in males than females.[1] Most cases are mild.[2] In 2015 cardiomyopathy, including myocarditis, resulted in 354,000 deaths up from 294,000 in 1990.[8][5] The initial descriptions of the condition are from the mid-1800s.

17 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Compare that to 412 deaths from or with Covid in the age range from 0-17, which one would you prefer?

Hi Dashinka

Thanks for sharing that link.

I am not in the position to offer opinions to the public - The only person considering my opinion about the vaccine was when my stepdaughter asked me whether her 14 year old daughter should get her second vaccine, in August. I researched what I could find, and shared what I consider reliable information: that Israel still recommended it for their youth, even knowing that there were potential cases of treatable ‘benign’ myocarditis. She received the second  vaccine and suffered no side effects.
 

Interestingly to me is that the UK’S National Health Service has taken a different path:

”The UK's vaccine advisory body has refused to give the green light to vaccinating healthy children aged 12-15 years on health grounds alone.”

We are still learning how to ‘live’ with this deadly virus (man made or not). But the science/data shows that masks and vaccines work and that’s about the last response I have to contribute on this topic. 

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

the past two years means it is going to become a regular thing that we will need to live with

1. My father died of Covid, it hit him early and within 4 days he was gone.

2. I am a proponent of staying informed as science gathers more data on how we can best live with this disease. Today’s headline:

For those who have put off getting vaccinated because they’ve already been infected with the coronavirus, a growing body of evidence suggests vaccination plus natural immunity leads to particularly robust protection, including against variants of the virus.

3. Remember the math teacher said, please show your work? Please share your extrapolation equation that somehow the entire population (of American male teenagers?) resulted in 350,000 impacted by myocarditis, to support your ‘statement’. (Full disclosure: I am a seeker of substantiated data. I am a data analyst by trade.)

14 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

and something like 350,000 cases of myocarditis in teen agers

your article says 9% of 9,240 adverse reactions were related to myocarditis (rounding up that’s 832 people)  please share your source showing 350,000. 

Most cases of myocarditis occur after the second shot, most cases are labeled ‘benign’, and they are investigating whether 1 shot is sufficient for that age group. And most importantly, they are letting science and statistics drive the recommendation, not fear and disinformation.
 

I’m a firm believer in public health. If people actually consulted their Dr’s about getting the vaccine, we’d probably be having a different conversation. 

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Why are these folks not counted as being somewhat protected like those that have received the experimental vaccines? 

1. Hmm…not counted? Those are the ones being counted with ‘natural immunity’. They get Covid again, too, I know a few people in that statistic and for one South African, the second time was way scarier than the first, and yes he is vaccinated to prevent a third time. The people that I know who’ve gotten Covid after vaccination have primarily suffered a mild response not requiring hospitalization.

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

the vaccines that are also killing people. 

C’mon, what’s your source of that misinformation? When people give incorrect information as facts instead of obvious falsehoods, is there a moderator on this site? I rarely comment on any social media, but here, when fake opinions can be deadly, I must. Israel was able to show a significant decline in their Covid cases and to also reduce hospitalization.  That’s what’s documented in the preprint, and we’re just waiting for the data to be fully published in a peer reviewed journal (I read somewhere it will be JAMA)

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

we need more research on therapeutics

On this we agree. But for now, the numbers show, effective preventive public health measures include masks and vaccines and those that ridicule, condemn or deny that are not only harming themselves but the rest of us. 
 

1 hour ago, LIBrty4all said:

Just because it's printed on a label does not make it true.  In fact, there is NO WAY to know if it's true or not.  Just like much of what is being touted about covid and "vaccines". 

I recommend that you inform yourself before making an assumption of what i shared so I will take the time that you didn’t take by sharing facts:

In academic publishing, a preprint is a version of a scholarly or scientific paper that precedes formal peer review and publication in a peer-reviewed scholarly or scientific journal. The preprint may be available, often as a non-typeset version available free, before or after a paper is published in a journal.

When you question the science of vaccines you are asking to go back in time. Is that what you’re proposing?

Natural immunity is the result of having Covid (which my father died of).

What action has Israel taken with all their studies? Nowhere will you find that Israel pursued people getting  ‘natural’ immunity by getting sick

Israel provided their population a 3rd vaccination - to AVOID having patients overwhelming their hospitals.

And there’s one other salient point, and maybe the most helpful part of the study from Israel:

The preprint summary clearly states that 

individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

Fauci may not be able to fully explain what’s occurring with this novel virus but who can object  to a scientist trying to help protect people from this devastating virus?

5 hours ago, maleecka said:

thanks for replying. I think he would go check, it won't hurt. thank you

Hi there 

we had similar problems getting the police clearance- it was delivered weeks prior and filed away somewhere in the Cape Town police station.  The webmaster of the police clearance website actually helped us track it down, providing images of the person who received the courier waybill in Cape Town, as they were busy responding it hadn’t arrived!

This link should help you track status:

https://www.saps.gov.za/services/certificate.php

It will tell you whether the PC is completed by the “Finalized Date” and if the dispatch method is ”Courier” than it’s probably somewhere at the local station. 
 

Good luck either way getting ahold of it.

41 minutes ago, Tanya007 said:

Finally a status change tonight at 8pm “new card is being produced”!

Congratulations Tanya ! What a great way to start the next decade! Happy Holidays.

On 12/9/2019 at 5:24 PM, Tanya007 said:

 @SLV123 did Mike receive his card yet?

Mike received his green card (it’s actually blue) with a “Welcome New Immigrant” guide on November 25 - so 1 week after status changed to “New Card is Being Produced” November 18 - such a subtle way to say something so important!!

First thing he did was run out and earn green dollars! And he actually has been able to line up the same kind of work in Hollywood as he did in Cape Town.

It takes so much patience but you’re just about there!

Wishing the rest of you good luck the rest of the way and Happy Holidays!

On 11/13/2019 at 2:44 PM, Tanya007 said:

Finally received my letter today, my interview is scheduled for the 9th of December in Chicago! 

I received my receipts of my application on the 6th of August, so it’ll be just over 4 months later, which is fantastic! 

Hi Tanya

By the time you see this, I hope the interview went well and you receive an approval on the spot and if not then, shortly after!