Cenomar/PSA

[Elbertviola 0]

I am a US Citizen and was born in the Philippines.  I was married to a Filipina in civil marriage while I am  already a US Citizen and after 2 years we got divorced here in the US.  Now, I am planning to marry another Filipina

from the Philippines. The church is asking a copy of my cenomar but it shows that I am married. They said I need to hire a lawyer and bring to court then recognized it at PSA.  Is it the divorce decree sufficient to re marry again

since I am already a US citizen even before I married my ex-wife.  Can I able to marry again in Civil wedding  even my divorce is not recognized yet? Please advise!

Option 2, if we cant get married in the Philippines due to recognition issue, can we marry in Thailand and file a spouse petition for her? What is the best way to marry her in a faster way?

[HRQX 4,145]

26 minutes ago, Elbertviola said:

What is the best way to marry her in a faster way?

I recommend marriage in Hong Kong:

Travel to Hong Kong is visa free for both of you: https://www.passportindex.org/comparebyPassport.php?p1=ph&p2=us&fl=&s=yes

[geowrian 22,335]

* Moved from IR-1/CR-1 Progress Reports to Philippines regional forum. Question involves specifics of Philippines marriage/divorce processes. *

Edit: Nevermind...somebody beat me to it.

 

Where did you originally marry? If it was in the US, did you do a ROM?  Where are you trying to get remarried?

 

If trying to remarry in PH and there is a record of a prior marriage (either via marrying within PH or via ROM), then then you need to go through the courts to get the US divorce recognized since divorce itself does not exist in PH (except a specific situation). As far as PH is concerned, you're still married to the first wife.

 

If trying to remarry outside of PH, then there shouldn't be an issue as far as US immigration is concerned. They will recognize the divorce and new marriage fine (although a CENOMAR will be requested by Manila, the CEMAR and divorce decree will suffice instead).

Although there can some side effects...like not being able to do a ROM on the new marriage, and therefore never being able to adopt your name on her passport or other government documents from PH. And technically you would be married to the first wife still so.....yeah.

Edited August 17, 2019 by geowrian

[Elbertviola 0]

4 minutes ago, geowrian said:

* Moved from IR-1/CR-1 Progress Reports to Philippines regional forum. Question involves specifics of Philippines marriage/divorce processes. *

Edit: Nevermind...somebody beat me to it.

 

Where did you originally marry? If it was in the US, did you do a ROM?  Where are you trying to get remarried?

 

If trying to remarry in PH and there is a record of a prior marriage (either via marrying within PH or via ROM), then then you need to go through the courts to get the US divorce recognized since divorce itself does not exist in PH (except a specific situation). As far as PH is concerned, you're still married to the first wife.

 

If trying to remarry outside of PH, then there shouldn't be an issue as far as US immigration is concerned. They will recognize the divorce and new marriage fine (although a CENOMAR will be requested by Manila, the CEMAR and divorce decree will suffice instead).

Although there can some side effects...like not being able to do a ROM on the new marriage, and therefore never being able to adopt your name on her passport or other government documents from PH. And technically you would be married to the first wife still so.....yeah.

what do you mean by CEMAR and ROM? if I marry my new wife in other country like Thailand or Hongkong, Can I able to file a spouse visa for her and there is no problem? Are they still need my cenomar? it shows in my cenomar that I am still married w my first wife, will this be a problem when I file a petition for my new wife?

[HRQX 4,145]

4 minutes ago, Elbertviola said:

Can I able to file a spouse visa for her and there is no problem? Are they still need my cenomar? it shows in my cenomar that I am still married w my first wife, will this be a problem when I file a petition for my new wife?

As @geowrian stated, both USCIS and the US embassy will accept the marriage in Thailand, Hong Kong, etc.

4 minutes ago, Elbertviola said:

what do you mean by CEMAR and ROM?

ROM = Report of Marriage of A Filipino Abroad

For single persons the PSA issues a CENOMAR (Certificate of No Marriage = Certificate of Singleness). If the person is/was married, PSA issues a CEMAR (Certificate of Marriage).

[Just Paul 4,591]

We are the ones quoted above.   It was pretty easy to marry in Hong Kong.  The hardest part was getting a check in Hong Kong dollars but that was easy to do in Manila.

 

Since you are not going to worry about a report of marriage you just need to be there 2 days before the ceremony. 

 

Let me know if you have any questions.

~P

[Elbertviola 0]

Since im still married in the Philippines , will i have a problem petitioning my new wife as a spouse visa? Do i have to recognize my divorce out in the Philippine before filling a new petition?

[Just Paul 4,591]

No issues on the US side

[Elbertviola 0]

Also, since she has US tourist visa already, will it be better that she come to US as tourist and will get married here? How long do we need to wait before we can marry in US and how long before she can get her greencard? 

 

[geowrian 22,335]

2 minutes ago, Elbertviola said:

Also, since she has US tourist visa already, will it be better that she come to US as tourist and will get married here? How long do we need to wait before we can marry in US and how long before she can get her greencard?

She can visit fine. She can marry while visiting...check the state & country laws for requirements (some have a few days to week or so waiting period).

 

She cannot stay...a tourist visa is only for visiting. She must return abroad to complete the visa process.

[Elbertviola 0]

If we marry in Las Vegas, how long do we need to wait from the time she gets to US before we can get married? If she decided to stay in US and file for AOS will this be a problem? What if she gets pregnant during the petition or after we get married? 

[geowrian 22,335]

14 minutes ago, Elbertviola said:

If we marry in Las Vegas, how long do we need to wait from the time she gets to US before we can get married? If she decided to stay in US and file for AOS will this be a problem? What if she gets pregnant during the petition or after we get married? 

I don't know Las Vegas's laws, but I believe it's known for having no wait ("plane to wedding lane").

 

I don't think you're understanding the information provided. I just stated that she can only visit. She cannot stay with a tourist visa. What you are suggesting (using a tourist visa as a means to immigrate) is visa fraud. This is very serious, and can result in being denied entry and/or getting an expedited deportation (plus associated ban) when she arrives at POE.

Edit: It's also against this website's TOS.

 

Pregnancy has no bearing on the petition or visa.

If she does and a child is born outside the US - and you meet the requirements to pass citizenship to the child - then the child just needs a CRBA + US passport.

Edited August 17, 2019 by geowrian

[Elbertviola 0]

But if we just get married in las vegas as soon as she gets to US and go back to the Philippines then ill file a spouse visa.  Can she comes back in US as tourist while the process is pending.  She will just stay for few weeks and come back to Philippines. Will this be ok to immigration?

[geowrian 22,335]

14 minutes ago, Elbertviola said:

But if we just get married in las vegas as soon as she gets to US and go back to the Philippines then ill file a spouse visa.  Can she comes back in US as tourist while the process is pending.  She will just stay for few weeks and come back to Philippines. Will this be ok to immigration?

Yes, she can visit during the processing. Entry is subject to CBP inspection as always. Short trips in and out are usually not an issue - it's when people spend more time in the US than out that makes CBP raise an eyebrow.

[Hank_ 9,172]

6 hours ago, Elbertviola said:

I am a US Citizen and was born in the Philippines.  I was married to a Filipina in civil marriage while I am  already a US Citizen and after 2 years we got divorced here in the US.  Now, I am planning to marry another Filipina

from the Philippines. The church is asking a copy of my cenomar but it shows that I am married. They said I need to hire a lawyer and bring to court then recognized it at PSA.  Is it the divorce decree sufficient to re marry again

since I am already a US citizen even before I married my ex-wife.  Can I able to marry again in Civil wedding  even my divorce is not recognized yet? Please advise!

Option 2, if we cant get married in the Philippines due to recognition issue, can we marry in Thailand and file a spouse petition for her? What is the best way to marry her in a faster way?

You are not a dual citizen?     From what I have read only  a Philippine citizen can get a divorce recognized in the Philippines, foreigners only need to present a copy of their divorce decree.  You could talk to a knowledgeable attorney on this.

 

If you continue to have issues in the Philippines getting marrying in another country is not an issue for the visa process.