Pediatrician Shuts Down Leftists on Puberty Blockers

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

I don’t like the title, but the TOS is what it is.

 

One of our members has said several times that (s)he thinks SSRIs are partly to blame for why people behave differently today than they did “back in our day” (for us older folk).  I cannot disagree with his belief.  And this video adds a lot more potential reasons for why the young adults of today behave so much differently, and clears up some misconceptions vis-a-vis medical diagonoses.  I hope others find it as thought-provoking as I did.

 

 

 

[trudi 1,317]

On 6/23/2018 at 10:27 PM, IDWAF said:

I don’t like the title, but the TOS is what it is.

 

One of our members has said several times that (s)he thinks SSRIs are partly to blame for why people behave differently today than they did “back in our day” (for us older folk).  I cannot disagree with his belief.  And this video adds a lot more potential reasons for why the young adults of today behave so much differently, and clears up some misconceptions vis-a-vis medical diagonoses.  I hope others find it as thought-provoking as I did.

 

 

 

I don't see any video?

[bcking 3,157]

I'd love to be a part of this discussion but I can't watch the video at work

Edited June 25, 2018 by bcking

[Unidentified 2,930]

This is absolute bullshit. A doctor will not "cut off healthy breasts" just because someone walks into a doctor's office and says "Hi, I am a man". If you're transgender you have to go through psychology sessions. Yes, I agree that we shouldn't do it to young children. But most of what she says is bullshit. 

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50 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

This is absolute bullshit. A doctor will not "cut off healthy breasts" just because someone walks into a doctor's office and says "Hi, I am a man". If you're transgender you have to go through psychology sessions. Yes, I agree that we shouldn't do it to young children. But most of what she says is bullshit. 

 

   She represents a group that was formed to protest against adoption by same sex couples. Looks like they have expanded their agenda a bit. They have been accused several times of misrepresenting scientific research to support their political agenda. Obviously it's BS.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, Unidentified said:

This is absolute bullshit. A doctor will not "cut off healthy breasts" just because someone walks into a doctor's office and says "Hi, I am a man". If you're transgender you have to go through psychology sessions. Yes, I agree that we shouldn't do it to young children. But most of what she says is bullshit. 

Completely false.  You can walk into a doctor’s office and ask for bigger boobs, or to have them cut off.  No questions asked, please pay in cash.  Insurance need not apply.  Been there in both cases, seen it happen.  Not sure where you get this (bad) info?

[bcking 3,157]

A few things:

 

1. Just so everyone isn't confused - The "American College of Pediatricians" is not one of the more well attended, well recognized Pediatrics groups. It was only formed in 2002, and the name is pretty obviously intended to confuse people with the "American College of Physicians", which is a large well recognized and well respected group. The actual major Pediatric groups would be the AAP, the ABP, and to a lesser extent the APA. The group was formed because they didn't like that the AAP was supporting gay couples adopting. It has about 500 members, compared to the AAP which has over 60,000.

 

2. "Human sexuality is binary....either you have a Y chromosome or you don't" (I'm paraphrasing) - Giving her the benefit of the doubt and assuming she is actually a well trained Pediatrician (I know nothing about her), she knows that what she is saying is wrong, and she knows she is being misleading. It is far more complicated than that, even if we JUST focus on physical identity (Not going to get into the whole sexual orientation thing again here). It has more to do with the SRY gene than it does the actual Y chromosome.

 

3. "6500 genetic differences" - That is true. A study found 6500 genes were expressed differently between men and women. Though that doesn't mean most of them are necessary and sufficient to define a man or a woman (physically, or mentally). Most are likely neither.

 

4. No you can't walk into an office and suddenly get signed up for a double mastectomy because you say you're a man. Yes you could lie your whole way through the process and eventually get it if you wanted it...but that would say more about you than it would the doctor.

 

5. There are many features that are strongly genetically inherited and you still don't have 100% concordance between twins. Even with identical twins, you have epigenetic changes that can impact features. On the topic of Gender Identity - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22146048 - ~40% concordance between monozygotic twins, compared to 0% among same-sex dizygotic twins.

 

6. Andy's parents would not be told "this is who Andy really is" when he states he is a girl at the age of 5. It would be a long road before they come to that decision together with Andy.

 

7. I can't seem to find anything on the AAP's website where they have issued a statement supporting/encouraging double mastectomy at age 16. 

Edited June 26, 2018 by bcking

[bcking 3,157]

11 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Completely false.  You can walk into a doctor’s office and ask for bigger boobs, or to have them cut off.  No questions asked, please pay in cash.  Insurance need not apply.  Been there in both cases, seen it happen.  Not sure where you get this (bad) info?

I don't know of any Plastic Surgeons who would do a double mastectomy without a medical indication.

 

Breast reduction yes, but even then they usually have an indication (chronic back pain etc...)

Edited June 26, 2018 by bcking

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

41 minutes ago, bcking said:

I don't know of any Plastic Surgeons who would do a double mastectomy without a medical indication.

 

Breast reduction yes, but even then they usually have an indication (chronic back pain etc...)

I may have spoken out of turn on this one.  Stby, will get back to you and unidentified on the matter as soon as I can.

 

I know counseling used to be required.  Heck, just to get a vasectomy, counseling was once required.  But I thought that went away.  Asking a pro now...

Edited June 26, 2018 by IDWAF

[bcking 3,157]

30 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

I may have spoken out of turn on this one.  Stby, will get back to you and unidentified on the matter as soon as I can.

 

I know counseling used to be required.  Heck, just to get a vasectomy, counseling was once required.  But I thought that went away.  Asking a pro now...

Also remember breast reduction is different than mastectomy.

 

I may also be wrong on this. The topic doesn't come up when I speak to plastic surgeons about my patients ever.

 

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

24 minutes ago, bcking said:

Also remember breast reduction is different than mastectomy.

 

I may also be wrong on this. The topic doesn't come up when I speak to plastic surgeons about my patients ever.

 

 

Yes, I know.  The “pro” of which I speak is a dear transgender friend of mine.  He had her breasts removed about 2.5 years ago.  But after I posted my response above, I realized I could not swear that it was completed without counseling, so have reached out to him to ask.  Will advise, but currently his father is dealing with serious health issues, might be a few days.

[Unidentified 2,930]

4 hours ago, IDWAF said:

Completely false.  You can walk into a doctor’s office and ask for bigger boobs, or to have them cut off.  No questions asked, please pay in cash.  Insurance need not apply.  Been there in both cases, seen it happen.  Not sure where you get this (bad) info?

That is not the same thing, that is plastic surgery. You would go to a doctor and say "My boobs are too small, they make me feel insecure" or "My boobs are too big, they hurt my back". If you go to a doctor's office and declare you are a man you go through therapy sessions to insure you're actually transgender and there's not something else going on. 

 

 

[bcking 3,157]

1 minute ago, Unidentified said:

That is not the same thing, that is plastic surgery. You would go to a doctor and say "My boobs are too small, they make me feel insecure" or "My boobs are too big, they hurt my back". If you go to a doctor's office and declare you are a man you go through therapy sessions to insure you're actually transgender and there's not something else going on. 

 

 

A mastectomy is very different than a breast reduction, which is why (to my knowledge) most surgeons won't jump to do that until there is a legitimate reason.

[bcking 3,157]

It seems like there is an organization that has guidelines for transgender care (WPATH) and many surgical centers state they follow their guideline (just googled 4 or 5 and they all referenced the same guidelines...hope my wife doesn't see my search history...) 

 

https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc

 

It includes a history of therapy and a mental health evaluation. For minors (under 18), it requires parental consent.

 

Here is some official AAP information

 

https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/Pages/AAP-Statement-in-Support-of-Transgender-Children-Adolescent-and-Young-Adults.aspx

 

There is a link in that article to a nice PDF.

Edited June 27, 2018 by bcking

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

That is not the same thing, that is plastic surgery. You would go to a doctor and say "My boobs are too small, they make me feel insecure" or "My boobs are too big, they hurt my back". If you go to a doctor's office and declare you are a man you go through therapy sessions to insure you're actually transgender and there's not something else going on. 

 

 

I know what you mean, and you might be right,  even today.  I know years ago that was true.  Like I said to King after I wrote that, I may have been too hasty posting.   I have a friend whom I trust who will enlighten us.

 

While on the subject of counseling... seems unfair to me that a woman can go to a doctor and get an abortion, and is not required to inform the husband/father.  But if a man wants a vasectomy, he has to bring the wife along to the counseling session and have her consent.  Pretty backwards, if you ask me. (Again, over 10 years ago, may be different now)