The day my US Passport was not enough proof of citizenship

[Bill Simmons 3]

1 hour ago, little immigrant said:

Can someone confirm this? 

Look when you renew your passport it's already expired, right? So why wouldn't they take a previously expired passport? 

[little immigrant 801]

I guess you're right. 

 

Fully-valid, undamaged U.S. passport (can be expired)

 

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/requirements/citizenship-evidence.html

 

Thank you for providing me a new piece of information

[jxn 86]

3 hours ago, little immigrant said:

I guess you're right. 

 

Fully-valid, undamaged U.S. passport (can be expired)

 

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/requirements/citizenship-evidence.html

 

Thank you for providing me a new piece of information

I did find this page which states that the expired passport has to have been issued within the last fifteen years, among other requirements. But I would say that more than 90% of renewals won't run in to any of those issues.

[little immigrant 801]

48 minutes ago, jxn said:

I did find this page which states that the expired passport has to have been issued within the last fifteen years, among other requirements. But I would say that more than 90% of renewals won't run in to any of those issues.

Yes if it is more than 15 years you have to fill out form DS-11 and go the the post office in person however it seems they will still accept the undamaged passport even if it's older than 15 years. See my link above. 

[CEE53147 559]

23 hours ago, Bill Simmons said:

maybe i'm wrong but isn't an old expired US Passport in good condition considered proof of citzenship when applying for a new passport?

 

Was your passport valid?  Your question makes it seem that you may have presented an expired passport. 

[CEE53147 559]

13 hours ago, Bill Simmons said:

Look when you renew your passport it's already expired, right? So why wouldn't they take a previously expired passport? 

No.  Most people renew their passport BEFORE it expires. 

[drwho007 12]

I am in the process of applying for citizenship. Reading through this thread, I wonder: do they specify on the US Passport whether you are a naturalized citizen vs a citizen by birth? 

[deezwho 7]

Children of US citizens born overseas only have US passports as do all persons born in the US. How can they require a certificate of citizenship/naturalization as proof of citizenship?

 

 

[deezwho 7]

1 hour ago, drwho007 said:

I am in the process of applying for citizenship. Reading through this thread, I wonder: do they specify on the US Passport whether you are a naturalized citizen vs a citizen by birth? 

no, but it does list place of birth ... so they might assume you immigrated here if you were born in a foreign country ...

[geowrian 22,339]

6 minutes ago, deezwho said:

no, but it does list place of birth ... so they might assume you immigrated here if you were born in a foreign country ...

Maybe. Or you were just born abroad to USC parents?

[Bill Simmons 3]

13 minutes ago, deezwho said:

Children of US citizens born overseas only have US passports as do all persons born in the US. How can they require a certificate of citizenship/naturalization as proof of citizenship?

 

 

You're right, Citizens born in the US do have passports but they also can present a US birth certificate to show proof of citizenship. Also, Children born abroad to US citizen parent(s) can show their Certificate of citizenship as proof of citizenship in lieu of a birth certificate. 

[deezwho 7]

Nonetheless, I don't understand why someone would insist on the certificate of citizenship ... USCIS specifically says passport is best and lists the certificates/birth certificates as alternates:

 

https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/proof-us-citizenship-and-identification-when-applying-job

 

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Your U.S. passport is your best proof of U.S. citizenship. Other official documents can be used, as described below.

 

[Bill Simmons 3]

53 minutes ago, deezwho said:

Nonetheless, I don't understand why someone would insist on the certificate of citizenship ... USCIS specifically says passport is best and lists the certificates/birth certificates as alternates:

 

https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/proof-us-citizenship-and-identification-when-applying-job

 

 

I concur however USCIS needs to be consistent with what they say. On another page they say the certificate is optional unless you apply certain benefits such as but not limited to; employment, social security, etc.

[deezwho 7]

1 hour ago, Bill Simmons said:

I concur however USCIS needs to be consistent with what they say. On another page they say the certificate is optional unless you apply certain benefits such as but not limited to; employment, social security, etc.

Was this for the I9 verification or just a separate request for document?

 

According to USEEOC it's illegal for them to require documents in addition to those that already meet the I9 requirements for verification of employment authorization

 

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Federal law prohibits employers from rejecting valid documents or insisting on additional documents beyond what is required for the Form I-9 or E-Verify processes, based on an employee's citizenship status or national origin. For example, an employer cannot require only those who the employer perceives as "foreign" to produce specific documents, such as Permanent Resident ("green") cards or Employment Authorization Documents. Employees are allowed to choose which documents to show for employment eligibility verification from the Form I-9 Lists of Acceptable Documents. Employers should accept any unexpired document from the Lists of Acceptable Documents so long as the document appears reasonably genuine on its face and relates to the employee

https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/practices/inquiries_citizenship.cfm

 

[jxn 86]

7 hours ago, Bill Simmons said:

You're right, Citizens born in the US do have passports but they also can present a US birth certificate to show proof of citizenship. Also, Children born abroad to US citizen parent(s) can show their Certificate of citizenship as proof of citizenship in lieu of a birth certificate. 

Are you sure you're not referring to a Consular Report of Birth Abroad (CRBA)?