Death toll to 9 after bodies found in truck at San Antonio Walmart

[IAMX 3,055]

1 minute ago, Unidentified said:

I agree. So many children do not choose to be here. They are brought her by their parents, live their entire life in the US and then get deported to a country they have never been to. 

If the parents don't want their kids to be deported, don't take the risk of breaking laws to get them deported.

 

Anyways, you can edit out this part in your prior post: "I'm not saying anyone should get a free pass breaking laws" because clearly you are.

[Unidentified 2,930]

4 minutes ago, IAMX said:

If the parents don't want their kids to be deported, don't take the risk of breaking laws to get them deported.

 

Anyways, you can edit out this part in your prior post: "I'm not saying anyone should get a free pass breaking laws" because clearly you are.

Nope I am not. And I am pretty sure telling me what to write is against TOS. 

[IAMX 3,055]

Just now, Unidentified said:

telling me what to write

Nope. Try again.

[smilesammich 10,727]

9 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

I agree. So many children do not choose to be here. They are brought her by their parents, live their entire life in the US and then get deported to a country they have never been to. 

i've seen it happen. and family reunification programs don't mean squat to american children who are currently growing up without a parent who can't legally ever come visit them. it's completely immoral.

[Unidentified 2,930]

1 minute ago, IAMX said:

Nope. Try again.

Read the TOS. 

1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

i've seen it happen. and family reunification programs don't mean squat to american children who are currently growing up without a parent who can't legally ever come visit them. it's completely immoral.

I agree. It is really sad. 

[IAMX 3,055]

Just now, Unidentified said:

Read the TOS. 

lol.

 

What good would that do, I never told you to do anything. On the other hand, the TOS says to report people you think are violating the TOS, not try and moderate them. Feel free to follow the TOS.

 

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

6 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

Read the TOS. 

I agree. It is really sad. 

if i were you, i'd just let that bait above marinate..

 

the kid who died was brought here before he was three. and for those of you who want to call him a gangster, he was only suspected as such. i was suspected by local cops of gang activity when i was a teen, you know what for? throwing up a west side gesture as a joke.

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According to immigration officials, Frank G. Fuentes was brought from Guatemala to the U.S. before he was 3 years old. Fuentes grew up in Northern Virginia and graduated from J.E.B. Stuart High School in 2015.

 

Nineteen-year-old Fuentes was deported on March 2, 2017 after being convicted of assault and battery by a mob, and grand larceny by pickpocketing, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. He was suspected of having gang connections.

http://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2017/07/teen-died-sweltering-tractor-trailer-grew-fairfax-county-deported/

Edited July 26, 2017 by smilesammich

[Boiler 47,487]

38 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

I agree. So many children do not choose to be here. They are brought her by their parents, live their entire life in the US and then get deported to a country they have never been to. 

I spent my entire life pretty much in the UK and got brought to the US.

 

Sounds similar.

[yuna628 9,873]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

Work Hard

 

O1 TN H1b etc

 

Save Hard

 

E2 EB5 F1 etc

 

US is particularly generous with family reunification categories.

Boiler, you know those simply are not an option for the large majority of those individuals. Why do you think they are sneaking in?

1 hour ago, IAMX said:

Aww no visa for people ignoring US laws woes me. 

With new visas available and a reformed system there would be a lot less of a desire to ignore the said laws. And no, no visas should be there for people who ignore laws. So when are we going to start addressing VWP abuse?

36 minutes ago, IAMX said:

That's what refugee programs are for.

 

Trying to wrap my mind around the mind boggling idea that foreigners get a pass to break US laws because of things people in other countries do. Where do people think this stuff up? 

 

 

Oh you mean like this one? https://thewire.in/112609/the-refugee-crisis-at-the-us-mexico-border-no-one-is-talking-about/ That's reactivity for you.

27 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

I'm not saying anyone should get a free pass breaking laws. I just think it is sad that some people feel so threatened by these cartels that they feel that their only option is to sneak into the US. 

No one will ever be able to understand what it's like I'm afraid, until they themselves are brought to that level.

[yuna628 9,873]

4 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I spent my entire life pretty much in the UK and got brought to the US.

 

Sounds similar.

By a K1 visa, if that is accurate, yes? Are you suggesting those desperate should 'spouse shop'? I highly doubt you were in a situation in the UK where you lived in abject poverty with the threat of rape and murder every second of your life. But it's been a long time since I've been down to Wales, does anything go there now?

[IAMX 3,055]

17 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

With new visas available and a reformed system there would be a lot less of a desire to ignore the said laws. And no, no visas should be there for people who ignore laws. So when are we going to start addressing VWP abuse?

Every abuse should be addressed, but this a far bigger issue.

 

Anyways, if the US changed its long standing immigration laws to where these people weren't breaking the law, I wouldn't have much to argue. Of course, I'm giving credence to the law that the other side isn't, which most would find unfair.

 

It's impossible I find to reason with the left after all these years of catering to the childish-like idea that acting offended at something silences it. That's why they feel so emboldened to openly advocate people illegally immigrate. When people told them to stuff it, it wasn't so prevalent. I think it's time society grow a pair and go back to that.

Edited July 26, 2017 by IAMX

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11 hours ago, yuna628 said:

By a K1 visa, if that is accurate, yes? Are you suggesting those desperate should 'spouse shop'? I highly doubt you were in a situation in the UK where you lived in abject poverty with the threat of rape and murder every second of your life. But it's been a long time since I've been down to Wales, does anything go there now?

Your premise was that somebody who was not born in the US but brought up could not be expected to move in later life to another country.

 

Patently false as this site proves. Many of us do and he went home.

[Dashinka 25,867]

22 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Unskilled workers are, as we already know are a significant backbone of making this country function. They are willing to work and hard, harder than even our own citizens. Legal or not legal, to a degree they may have an even stronger belief in 'the American' dream, in terms of working hard and making something of oneself. Why not have a new visa class? They have the money, are willing to work hard.. desperate to live their lives free of horrific conditions, they just don't have the pathway that others receive. Proactive instead of reactive, why can't we just have smart immigration laws that actually work?

Agreed. As for being a savior.. well to a degree, isn't that what this country exists because of? That is the American dream. That someone who is poor, comes from nothing, downtrodden, abused.. can find freedom and success. We've been this way from our very existence as a nation. Immigrants built who we are. I think of the horrible conditions in many Latin American countries, Middle Eastern countries, and African countries. We seem to do very little about what goes on in those countries.. except for the Middle East (and often make things a lot worse for doing so). Conditions we cannot even begin to imagine. While I do not agree with illegal immigration, I have empathy for those who do so because of desperation. That same desperation is what brought our ancestors to this new world.

Yes, unskilled legal or illegal alien works harder than our own citizens?    I agree that this broad generalization may apply to those citizens that are lazy living off the government, but I see and know a lot of unskilled US citizens that work just as hard as any unskilled alien.  As to the generalization of understanding the American dream, this might be true of those that follow the rules, but I am not sure the same can be said of the illegal aliens.  As to the horrific conditions in Mexico or Central American, again, I have a lot of friends that are Mexican citizens that live and work a very good life in Mexico, so broadly painting Mexico, or other Central American country as something that needs escape from seems to be a bit of a stretch.

 

The biggest issue to me is the people trying to circumvent the laws in place.

[Dashinka 25,867]

20 hours ago, Unidentified said:

How about the people who are harassed by the drug cartels and doesn't want anything to do with them? Who has not been involved with them at all or even drugs. 

Aren't there people in the US that are harassed by various criminal entities?

[Dashinka 25,867]

19 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Boiler, you know those simply are not an option for the large majority of those individuals. Why do you think they are sneaking in?

With new visas available and a reformed system there would be a lot less of a desire to ignore the said laws. And no, no visas should be there for people who ignore laws. So when are we going to start addressing VWP abuse?

Oh you mean like this one? https://thewire.in/112609/the-refugee-crisis-at-the-us-mexico-border-no-one-is-talking-about/ That's reactivity for you.

No one will ever be able to understand what it's like I'm afraid, until they themselves are brought to that level.

So open borders are the answer?  There are a lot of law abiding citizens all over the world that would love to visit or move to a new country, the US included, and are denied for a multitude of reasons.  It was suggested to me many times when I was dating my wife to just have her fly to Mexico and walk into the US.  We of course did not take that advice and proceeded with the long process of doing it legally.  Then there is the question of the children being brought here illegally by their parents, who is to blame for that?  It is not the Government's fault people choose to break the law and implicate others while doing it.  Regardless, I am fine, let's keep DACA, but make sure the law breaking parents are deported and given lengthy bans.