Left Cries Foul Over Christian School’s Right To Vouchers

[yuna628 9,873]

Just now, smilesammich said:

if you and the missus are ever up my way, hmu. i'll take you on a tour of rwnj central. they actually spawn out of the shenandoah riverbed..

Have you found anyone with the trifecta of John Birch posters, rapture signs, and confederate flags yet? It's a real hoot.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, yuna628 said:

Have you found anyone with the trifecta of John Birch posters, rapture signs, and confederate flags yet? It's a real hoot.

 we might be neighbors!

[IAMX 3,055]

2 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

So public schools only gives facts?  If we could get the politics out of public education, then fine, but unfortunately that is not the case.

Moreover, why are the only private schools religious? Guess people don't realize there are tons of non-religious private schools. My daughter goes to a non-religious private school here in Calgary.

Edited June 20, 2017 by IAMX

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

33 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Btw I'd like to also add that it's not just inner-city schools that are crime-ridden and or failing. The few schools in the rural county where I live are appalling and increasingly violent. There's no real choice for people in these little towns.. and no glowing Catholic institution that's even remotely nearby to even voucher the kids to. The largest private school here is pretty exclusive with high tuition and tends to serve the richest families that don't even work in this town, let alone this state - despite that it has had problems aplenty.

So we both agree Public schools are a failed institution 

[IAMX 3,055]

7 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

So we both agree Public schools are a failed institution 

And it's funny, in leftist states like California, when they neglect their infrastructure, like their dams, roads, et al, every bit they spend they're forced to spend is excess they don't have, so when they finally decide they need to cut something, guess the first thing to go? Education.. and where in education? Teachers. They don't cut all the administrative staff first, they cut the ****ing teachers.  The very tool they use in their bids to increase taxes on people, supposedly toward education, using teachers as their narrative, then cutting teachers first. California is a prototype example of leftist idiocy in real time when it comes to schools. Then they try and implement this system to force parents into having no choice on their tax funds, Hell no. Not my kids. Keep your own kids in that cesspool.

Edited June 20, 2017 by IAMX

[yuna628 9,873]

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

So we both agree Public schools are a failed institution 

Of course, but so are a whole host of private-non religious, private-religious, charter, and homeschool institutions. How we think about schooling doesn't work *period* even in schools that are considered 'good', ya know? But we continue to be reactive instead of proactive on a lot of things in society. I still remain very skeptical that vouchers are a solution to any of the problems facing education in this country.

[IAMX 3,055]

6 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Of course, but so are a whole host of private-non religious, private-religious, charter, and homeschool institutions. How we think about schooling doesn't work *period* even in schools that are considered 'good', ya know? But we continue to be reactive instead of proactive on a lot of things in society. I still remain very skeptical that vouchers are a solution to any of the problems facing education in this country.

Vouchers give parents more tools for their children:

 

1) send them to the school of their choice

2) utilize their own tax dollars without having to pay twice per child

3) the ability to change school if they don't like the results

 

More freedom.. should be good right? Nope, not to the left.

[CaliCat 3,957]

1 hour ago, smilesammich said:

where the hell do you think i live? were you around during the election when i was like, all i see are trump signs - trump signs everywhere..i was exaggerating of course, i see dixie flags everywhere too.

 

 

When they start burning crosses you know you need to run!

[CaliCat 3,957]

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

I doubt one would follow the other.

 

But the constitution is clear on one at least. We should start with it. Keep our secular country, well, secular. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

it just doesn't make sense. the private non religious school here has a tuition of like 15,000 per year. the kids go on international language immersion trips, have fancy uniforms, laptops for all in class etcetc. how does this translate to a voucher program?

[Dashinka 25,854]

4 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

But the constitution is clear on one at least. We should start with it. Keep our secular country, well, secular. 

That is an interesting conundrum.  The first amendment says a religion will not be established by the government (and by extension public schools), but also that the government will not infringe on free speech.  So hypothetically, if a teacher does talk about religion, does this violate the religion clause, or do we violate the teachers rights to free speech.  Again, not advocating teaching religion in public schools, as I agree they should be secular, I just wish they would also be apolitical.

4 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

it just doesn't make sense. the private non religious school here has a tuition of like 15,000 per year. the kids go on international language immersion trips, have fancy uniforms, laptops for all in class etcetc. how does this translate to a voucher program?

What is the equivalent cost per pupil for the public school?

Edited June 20, 2017 by Bill & Katya

[IAMX 3,055]

4 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

That is an interesting conundrum.  The first says a religion will not be established by the government (and by extension public schools), but also that the government will not infringe on free speech.  So hypothetically, if a teacher does talk about religion, do pets this violate the religion clause, or do we violate the teachers rights to free speech.  Again, not advocating teaching religion in public schools, as I agree they should be secular, I just wish they would also be apolitical.

What is the equivalent cost per pupil for the public school?

Teachers are expensive enough, where the public schools have wasted so much more money is administrative staff, which continues to outpace teachers by a 3-7:1 margin. 

 

Forcing public schools to be more competitive and to learn how to better manage funding/costs/education can only be beneficial to the public school system, though the left only care about social justice and have never cared about the cost of it, never mind all the wrong messages it sends.

Edited June 20, 2017 by IAMX

[smilesammich 10,727]

4 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

 

What is the equivalent cost per pupil for the public school?

can't find it by school but here it is by county/city. alexandria is the only city that far exceeds w/ 18,000. my county: 9,578

http://www.doe.virginia.gov/statistics_reports/supts_annual_report/2008_09/table15.pdf

 

 

[CaliCat 3,957]

4 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

That is an interesting conundrum.  The first amendment says a religion will not be established by the government (and by extension public schools), but also that the government will not infringe on free speech.  So hypothetically, if a teacher does talk about religion, does this violate the religion clause, or do we violate the teachers rights to free speech.  Again, not advocating teaching religion in public schools, as I agree they should be secular, I just wish they would also be apolitical.

 

 

Teachers can talk about religion, and many do, because knowing about all religions should be part of a well designed schooling system. I for one, support courses that teach students about religion - all of them. Many courses include comparative courses on religion, where you can trace their origins and evolution across the different areas of the world and populations. Teaching about religions is one thing, teaching from a theological perspective is something else, and should be left to seminars or privately funded religious schools. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

44 minutes ago, IAMX said:

Vouchers give parents more tools for their children:

 

1) send them to the school of their choice

2) utilize their own tax dollars without having to pay twice per child

3) the ability to change school if they don't like the results

 

More freedom.. should be good right? Nope, not to the left.

Plus schools that were not competitive would go away