Question for a good friend of mine

[ASMS 86]

1 minute ago, KierenHby said:

Nothing that I know here on VJ, but common sense should prevail. People need to research their overseas partners BEFORE starting the visa process.

Yes, common sense should prevail, but we know common sense is not a resource or a tool that all humans put in practice, not all the time, and there's a lot of naive people in this world. 

Just yesterday I was reading a warning of the US. Embassy in Ghana, encouraging USC to be aware about this kind of scam's, it means there's A LOT of people not having common sense.

[KierenHby 897]

yes and yes

[jakelake 222]

A true scammer would have even waited until he or she not only got the 10-year green card but also after becoming a naturalized US citizen. Sometimes you don't find out about a person's true intentions until years later.

[Chrissy5683 2]

On 3/31/2017 at 10:08 AM, Ryan H said:

Your friend needs to do the following:

• Alert CBP
• Withdraw the I-864

Thank you..I'm giving her all info I'm getting here...we appreciate it very much

 

On 3/31/2017 at 10:24 AM, geowrian said:

I'd suggest also contacting the embassy that issued the visa as they have the ability to revoke it prior to entry into the US.

Thank you..shes doing everything everyone is suggesting she do...

[jakelake 222]

4 hours ago, ASMS said:

That is unbelievable, I'm really sorry for you friend. I guess this is part of the reasons why we all have to go through so much checking and scrutiny, But as Jawaree said "...theres still good ppl

out there in the world."

 

 

I'm agree with both, is there any kind of post collecting and warning others about this kind of situations? how to be aware of that kind of scam's and also giving out solutions to the victims of it.

There really isn't any way to determine if someone is for real. A lot of people want to enter the US and so if they see marriage as the way, they can pretend that they love the US citizen.

I'm not saying that is always the case but generally marrying someone you've just met in less than a year or even 2 years, is not a good idea. That is the case even if both of you are from the US.

A lot of it has to do with using common sense and getting to know the person well inorder to see red flags. If something just does not seem right, however minor it may seem, then it probably may be a clue to something bigger that you have not seen yet.

No one is perfect but there are certain things that, if not addressed, can lead to bigger problems later on.

[Chrissy5683 2]

Thanks everyone for all the amazing advice ....she did everything that everyone advised ...and they revoked the visa and will be banning him so he will never be able to step foot over here...she also took it a step further and reported him to his job which he is a cop and they are looking to take actions as well.. so sad because they was together for 2 years and have a child together for him to do her in such way...but shes grateful for all of you and thanks you all for directing her in all the right places...may God bless you all

[Chrissy5683 2]

21 minutes ago, jakelake said:

There really isn't any way to determine if someone is for real. A lot of people want to enter the US and so if they see marriage as the way, they can pretend that they love the US citizen.

I'm not saying that is always the case but generally marrying someone you've just met in less than a year or even 2 years, is not a good idea. That is the case even if both of you are from the US.

A lot of it has to do with using common sense and getting to know the person well inorder to see red flags. If something just does not seem right, however minor it may seem, then it probably may be a clue to something bigger that you have not seen yet.

No one is perfect but there are certain things that, if not addressed, can lead to bigger problems later on.

so true

[ASMS 86]

24 minutes ago, jakelake said:

There really isn't any way to determine if someone is for real. A lot of people want to enter the US and so if they see marriage as the way, they can pretend that they love the US citizen.

I'm not saying that is always the case but generally marrying someone you've just met in less than a year or even 2 years, is not a good idea. That is the case even if both of you are from the US.

A lot of it has to do with using common sense and getting to know the person well inorder to see red flags. If something just does not seem right, however minor it may seem, then it probably may be a clue to something bigger that you have not seen yet.

No one is perfect but there are certain things that, if not addressed, can lead to bigger problems later on.

I'm agree with you, I even gave a warning to my husband about this when he proposed me (we had a little more than a year since we met each other when that happened).

Also, I must add that is not only about being naive, one person can spend years "knowing" someone, and still get surprised for what he/she is capable to do.

Being in love can certainly blind any of us, making even harder to anticipate this kind of things

Edited April 1, 2017 by ASMS
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[jakelake 222]

5 minutes ago, Chrissy5683 said:

Thanks everyone for all the amazing advice ....she did everything that everyone advised ...and they revoked the visa and will be banning him so he will never be able to step foot over here...she also took it a step further and reported him to his job which he is a cop and they are looking to take actions as well.. so sad because they was together for 2 years and have a child together for him to do her in such way...but shes grateful for all of you and thanks you all for directing her in all the right places...may God bless you all

That was really quick.

You posted something yesterday and it's already resolved the next day? And today is Saturday, not even a business day.

Generally, an investigation would take place. Both sides would be interviewed and a decision would be made before he is even allowed to travel to the US. A person is innocent until proven guilty.

I think that there are much more details involved than you posted.

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Wow. What a win for her.

 

Bet he was pumping his chest after he got the visa in hand. What an jerk.

 

Tell your friend To go treat herself to something nice. She dodge a bullet with that one.

[jakelake 222]

54 minutes ago, ASMS said:

 

Just yesterday I was reading a warning of the US. Embassy in Ghana, encouraging USC to be aware about this kind of scam's, it means there's A LOT of people not having common sense.

On the other hand, that is unfortunate for couples who have a bona fide relationship but come from a country like Ghana. Some people have had to apply multiple times and have been away from each other for many years.

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37 minutes ago, ASMS said:

 

Also, I must add that is not only about being naive, one person can spend years "knowing" someone, and still get surprised for what he/she is capable to do.

 

There is no limit to the level of deceit a determined person will go to. We've seen people even produce children to ensure their intentions aren't discovered.

Edited April 1, 2017 by NuestraUnion

[geowrian 22,335]

1 hour ago, jakelake said:

That was really quick.

You posted something yesterday and it's already resolved the next day? And today is Saturday, not even a business day.

Generally, an investigation would take place. Both sides would be interviewed and a decision would be made before he is even allowed to travel to the US. A person is innocent until proven guilty.

I think that there are much more details involved than you posted.

It does seem fast, but fraud reports are taken as a priority. Given that the friend was the petitioner permitting the applicant to obtain the visa, it's not too surprising that they would quickly revoke the visa and do so without an investigation.

 

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a US criminal court motif. It does not apply to civil matters (like immigration), non-court cases (embassy decisions), and even then many times does not apply outside the US states and provinces.

[jakelake 222]

18 minutes ago, geowrian said:

It does seem fast, but fraud reports are taken as a priority. Given that the friend was the petitioner permitting the applicant to obtain the visa, it's not too surprising that they would quickly revoke the visa and do so without an investigation.

 

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a US criminal court motif. It does not apply to civil matters (like immigration), non-court cases (embassy decisions), and even then many times does not apply outside the US states and provinces.

I guess what I mean is that the USC and the petitioner may have an argument and in her anger decided to withdraw the application and claim fraud. I would think that the person being accused would have a say inorder to defend himself. After all, they have been together for 2 years and do have a child together.

 

You have to hear both sides. Because one side makes a claim, that does not necessarily mean that it's true.

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46 minutes ago, jakelake said:

I guess what I mean is that the USC and the petitioner may have an argument and in her anger decided to withdraw the application and claim fraud. I would think that the person being accused would have a say inorder to defend himself. After all, they have been together for 2 years and do have a child together.

 

You have to hear both sides. Because one side makes a claim, that does not necessarily mean that it's true.

That's possible, but it's inferring a situation for which there is no evidence yet. The accused likely would not have any say about the visa aspect prior to it being revoked. I'm not even sure what they could say...even if they could prove it's not fraud (how?), that's not a sufficient reason to use a visa and grant a green card when their spouse doesn't want them there. Now if he applied for another visa later and previous fraud claims were made, then I could see the issue being raised. Until then, "why" the petitioner wants to pull their support isn't really relevant.

 

Absolutely. The OP provided information and the suggestions provided pertain to those circumstances. There is no benefit to the OP for providing false information and getting incorrect advice as a result.

 

As for the issue reported with work, that is something that I would hope they investigate and hear his side of the story.