Anti-immigrant party takes first place in Sweden, poll shows

[smilesammich 10,727]

12 minutes ago, ready4ONE said:

More like pet rocks are your source for news and information but do carry on.

trump tried to warn sweden via trump pep rally!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

3 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Since when has the Left been interested in rational discourse?

I'm pretty sure it was when the Right became interested. 

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31 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

trump tried to warn sweden via trump pep rally!

Indeed he did. As he warned Belgium, France, Sweden, Denmark, Austria, and Germany. Now, if you notice, their swing is immensely toward the same populist movement. Are leftists gonna poo poo all of this off as news sources?

 

Entertainment is this overt effort made to run away from a harsh reality -- Islam is not compatible with western values. When they move to the west, either they adapt to western values, or they piss off.

 

Giving refugees this free pass treatment like Europe did (thanks Merkel and co) does not force people to assimilate to your values. They ignore it and implement theirs.

 

Just look at Canada with Trudope. In the name of tolerance he goes and visits a mosque where 3 accompanying female MPs must be segregated and sit in the back. Does he take issue with this? No. Is there any bigger oxymoron than feminism and Islam? Clearly the left have difficulty spotting this.

 

So it comes down to what is the deal for leftists? I'm an agnostic but I am trying to understand the reason behind the self-deluding. Do they hate Christians so much they'll join any unholy alliance with people whose beliefs don't even recognize basic human rights, where they'd be killed in an Islamic country trying to hold a gay pride rally? Do they see Muslims as an oppressed group needing to be saved by the heroic white knight by offering up safety and sanity of westernized nations? Are they so politically correct they'd delude themselves into thinking all religions are the same when in fact they aren't? Is it simply, "welp, Republicans hate them (no matter how rational/biased or otherwise), therefore I love them"?

 

As someone who has had many values that liberals have regarding the freedom of women, gays, etc., I would hope sometime soon they either come to realize what would result from these asinine views and policies, or maybe go and visit an Islamic country for themselves and pitch the kind of fit there they do in the US about wedding cakes, then they just might see themselves as I see them:

 

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14 minutes ago, SRVT said:

Indeed he did. As he warned Belgium, France, Sweden, Denmark, Austria, and Germany. Now, if you notice, their swing is immensely toward the same populist movement. Are leftists gonna poo poo all of this off as news sources?

 

Entertainment is this overt effort made to run away from a harsh reality -- Islam is not compatible with western values. When they move to the west, either they adapt to western values, or they piss off.

 

Giving refugees this free pass treatment like Europe did (thanks Merkel and co) does not force people to assimilate to your values. They ignore it and implement theirs.

 

Just look at Canada with Trudope. In the name of tolerance he goes and visits a mosque where 3 accompanying female MPs must be segregated and sit in the back. Does he take issue with this? No. Is there any bigger oxymoron than feminism and Islam? Clearly the left have difficulty spotting this.

 

So it comes down to what is the deal for leftists? I'm an agnostic but I am trying to understand the reason behind the self-deluding. Do they hate Christians so much they'll join any unholy alliance with people whose beliefs don't even recognize basic human rights, where they'd be killed in an Islamic country trying to hold a gay pride rally? Do they see Muslims as an oppressed group needing to be saved by the heroic white knight by offering up safety and sanity of westernized nations? Are they so politically correct they'd delude themselves into thinking all religions are the same when in fact they aren't? Is it simply, "welp, Republicans hate them (no matter how rational/biased or otherwise), therefore I love them"?

 

As someone who has had many values that liberals have regarding the freedom of women, gays, etc., I would hope sometime soon they either come to realize what would result from these asinine views and policies, or maybe go and visit an Islamic country for themselves and pitch the kind of fit there they do in the US about wedding cakes, then they just might see themselves as I see them:

 

Look what the cat dragged in. How have you been?

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, SRVT said:

Indeed he did. As he warned Belgium, France, Sweden, Denmark, Austria, and Germany. Now, if you notice, their swing is immensely toward the same populist movement. Are leftists gonna poo poo all of this off as news sources?

 

Entertainment is this overt effort made to run away from a harsh reality -- Islam is not compatible with western values. When they move to the west, either they adapt to western values, or they piss off.

 

Giving refugees this free pass treatment like Europe did (thanks Merkel and co) does not force people to assimilate to your values. They ignore it and implement theirs.

 

Just look at Canada with Trudope. In the name of tolerance he goes and visits a mosque where 3 accompanying female MPs must be segregated and sit in the back. Does he take issue with this? No. Is there any bigger oxymoron than feminism and Islam? Clearly the left have difficulty spotting this.

 

So it comes down to what is the deal for leftists? I'm an agnostic but I am trying to understand the reason behind the self-deluding. Do they hate Christians so much they'll join any unholy alliance with people whose beliefs don't even recognize basic human rights, where they'd be killed in an Islamic country trying to hold a gay pride rally? Do they see Muslims as an oppressed group needing to be saved by the heroic white knight by offering up safety and sanity of westernized nations? Are they so politically correct they'd delude themselves into thinking all religions are the same when in fact they aren't? Is it simply, "welp, Republicans hate them (no matter how rational/biased or otherwise), therefore I love them"?

 

As someone who has had many values that liberals have regarding the freedom of women, gays, etc., I would hope sometime soon they either come to realize what would result from these asinine views and policies, or maybe go and visit an Islamic country for themselves and pitch the kind of fit there they do in the US about wedding cakes, then they just might see themselves as I see them:

 

if ya take a gander at history, minorities/refugees/immigrants/THE OTHER - they are easiest to blame and the easiest to convince the masses to fear.

i'm sorry to break it to you, but your leaders are taking advantage of your fear. refugees and terrorists are not one in the same. 

if you have an issue with the way islam treats women, maybe don't practice islam. trudeau doesn't. but he hasn't stopped associating with white males since one shot up a mosque a couple months ago either.

 

since we're doing introductions, i'm an atheist and it works great for me. i get to sit back, smh, and pity all the fools who buy into any religion. this whole comparison between christianity and islam is bunk, as they worship the SAME GOD.

 

and as far as your pic (lol), if liberals stopped watering islam and let conservatives (or however religious bigots call themselves) have their way with islam.. all that would result would be AN INCREASE IN ISLAM. you can't wipe out a religion, you can't tell people that their beliefs are unacceptable and they have to believe something else. so. good luck with all of that.

 

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7 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

Look what the cat dragged in. How have you been?

Busy as hell. 

 

I remember talking to you and you had been married a while.. I think I caught up to you, at least, from you in what, 08? LOL. Been married 6 years and going strong. 

 

A lot has happened that's not only made me decide not to renounce my American citizenship but if things in Canada keep going in a direction I don't like I could find myself doing an I-130/K3 for my wife (haven't yet got my daughter her US citizenship but can do it anytime before she's 18). Kinda waiting to see what happens before making any rash decisions.

 

I should probably change my username and ask for my timeline to be deleted. Don't think my wife would like seeing my username of myself/ex's initials and her timeline stuff LOL. 

 

You been holding up well? I remember way back when we were fellow Bush haters in crime. 

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13 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

if ya take a gander at history, minorities/refugees/immigrants/THE OTHER - they are easiest to blame and the easiest to convince the masses to fear.

i'm sorry to break it to you, but your leaders are taking advantage of your fear. refugees and terrorists are not one in the same. 

if you have an issue with the way islam treats women, maybe don't practice islam. trudeau doesn't. but he hasn't stopped associating with white males since one shot up a mosque a couple months ago either.

 

since we're doing introductions, i'm an atheist and it works great for me. i get to sit back, smh, and pity all the fools who buy into any religion. this whole comparison between christianity and islam is bunk, as they worship the SAME GOD.

 

and as far as your pic (lol), if liberals stopped watering islam and let conservatives (or however religious bigots call themselves) have their way with islam.. all that would result would be AN INCREASE IN ISLAM. you can't wipe out a religion, you can't tell people that their beliefs are unacceptable and they have to believe something else. so. good luck with all of that.

 

If these leaders were taking advantage of fear, why did these populations, that have now largely reneged, openly welcome refugees? Forget about that part? Guess they're only bigots when they disagree with your views.

 

One day when you get off that pedestal you might learn what introspection means.

 

 

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[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, SRVT said:

One day when you get off that pedestal you might learn what introspection means.

i make introspection a daily habit, have for years. also used to being told i'm holier than thou, for refusing to believe anyone is holier than thou. makes you feel better tho, don't it. yeah, put me in my place. 

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23 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i make introspection a daily habit, have for years. also used to being told i'm holier than thou, for refusing to believe anyone is holier than thou. makes you feel better tho, don't it. yeah, put me in my place. 

 So you supposedly believe in improvement. This standard is held for Christians who've had to endure adapting to western values (mostly for the better, imo), to the point where libs throw a huge hissy fit about bakeries that don't want to bake cakes for gays. I think that shows we've come to be in a good place if petty things like this are what the outrage is nowadays.

 

Yet this standard isn't upheld for Islam in their treatment of gays and women? So why is Islam special dear introspective reasoner? Why the special treatment and knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Islam? Clearly as far as this topic is concerned, this religion is the primary reason behind the conflicts. The religion itself conflicts with western values of secularism. It also obviously only gets worse as they are coddled and catered to.

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4 minutes ago, SRVT said:

 So you supposedly believe in improvement. This standard is held for Christians who've had to endure adapting to western values (mostly for the better, imo), to the point where libs throw a huge hissy fit about bakeries that don't want to bake cakes for gays. I think that shows we've come to be in a good place if petty things like this are what the outrage is nowadays.

 

Yet this standard isn't upheld for Islam in their treatment of gays and women? So why is Islam special dear introspective reasoner? Why the special treatment and knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Islam?

Who wants a Fatwa?

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5 minutes ago, SRVT said:

 So you supposedly believe in improvement. This standard is held for Christians who've had to endure adapting to western values (mostly for the better, imo), to the point where libs throw a huge hissy fit about bakeries that don't want to bake cakes for gays. I think that shows we've come to be in a good place if petty things like this are what the outrage is nowadays.

 

Yet this standard isn't upheld for Islam in their treatment of gays and women? So why is Islam special dear introspective reasoner? Why the special treatment and knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Islam? Clearly as far as this topic is concerned, this religion is the primary reason behind the conflicts. The religion itself conflicts with western values of secularism. It also obviously only gets worse as they are coddled and catered to.

Why do you feel the need to focus on Islam as solely being in conflict with western values.  The same could be said about the hyper-nationalism that has spread from Russia to Turkey and now Europe and America.

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Just now, SRVT said:

 So you supposedly believe in improvement. This standard is held for Christians who've had to endure adapting to western values (mostly for the better, imo), to the point where libs throw a huge hissy fit about bakeries that don't want to bake cakes for gays. Yet this standard isn't upheld for Islam in their treatment of gays and women? So why is Islam special dear introspective reasoner? 

islam isn't special. religious freedom is whats special. wax on wax off.

 

fyi, your premise that christians have had to adapt while islam is considered 'special' is completely flawed. this is a christian nation after all, and you better not forget it.

 

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Just now, ccneat said:

Why do you feel the need to focus on Islam as solely being in conflict with western values.  The same could be said about the hyper-nationalism that has spread from Russia to Turkey and now Europe and America.

Well, this thread is about Sweden and their immigrant issues. Where are the immigrants coming from? Massive red herring. Why would I focus on Hindus or Buddhists or Christians when they clearly aren't the problem here? 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Why do you feel the need to focus on Islam as solely being in conflict with western values.  The same could be said about the hyper-nationalism that has spread from Russia to Turkey and now Europe and America.

Please, it's not like hyper nationalism has ever hurt anyone. Ever!

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3 minutes ago, SRVT said:

Well, this thread is about Sweden and their immigrant issues. Where are the immigrants coming from? Massive red herring. Why would I focus on Hindus or Buddhists or Christians when they clearly aren't the problem here? 

 

 

yeah, where do refugees come from in the first place. could it be..policies/war/drones carried out by christian leaders? isn't america a christian nation? that's what i've been told. anyway my question is why would you focus on an entire religion and not the people "immigrating" (love how you speak of immigrants and refugees interchangeably). like, how is it easier to eradicate an entire religion over individuals accused of wrong doing?