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I need help, I have received my NOIR and the embassy is lying with some of the issues and I need help.

THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING

1. The beneficiary could not describe in detail the petitions life in U.S. He could not state what she does for work and could not name her supervisor

2. The beneficiary also could not name any of the petitioner' close friends or describe or what she does in her leisure time.

3.The beneficiary states that he has two children. Both of his children were born in Ghana. The children were born to two different women seven months apart in September of 2013 and April of 2014. Subsequent to the beneficiary's marriage to the petition.

These are the 3 question uscis is asking.

With regards to the interview I gave only one place she goes for shopping because I could hardly remember over there, and with regards to her best friend, I mentioned 1 name. On her job I gave her 5 types of work she does.

The children dates are 2012 and 2013 restive not 2014. These children are my relatives kids I have adopted them not through any legal documentation or means and I told them their my own kids but we did not file for them only mentioned their names on the documents as my kids. and I have added my names to theirs.

We called NVC that we have made mistake on the date of birth of the kids and the asked us to correct it at the embassy but they did not allowed it. After the interview the woman is angry already.

How should we answer this NOIR and they need some more prove of our relationship. Friends help

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A huge mistake you made was claiming children that are not legally yours. If there was no official LEGAL adoption then they should not have been mentioned as your children. USCIS is very strict on adoption.

You can explain the situation but I would leave the whole "adoption" out of it and explain you are their guardian.

As far as you not know more details about your spouse, it is something you are going to have to work on with her.


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I need help, I have received my NOIR and the embassy is lying with some of the issues and I need help.

THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING

1. The beneficiary could not describe in detail the petitions life in U.S. He could not state what she does for work and could not name her supervisor

2. The beneficiary also could not name any of the petitioner' close friends or describe or what she does in her leisure time.

3.The beneficiary states that he has two children. Both of his children were born in Ghana. The children were born to two different women seven months apart in September of 2013 and April of 2014. Subsequent to the beneficiary's marriage to the petition.

These are the 3 question uscis is asking.

With regards to the interview I gave only one place she goes for shopping because I could hardly remember over there, and with regards to her best friend, I mentioned 1 name. On her job I gave her 5 types of work she does.

The children dates are 2012 and 2013 restive not 2014. These children are my relatives kids I have adopted them not through any legal documentation or means and I told them their my own kids but we did not file for them only mentioned their names on the documents as my kids. and I have added my names to theirs.

We called NVC that we have made mistake on the date of birth of the kids and the asked us to correct it at the embassy but they did not allowed it. After the interview the woman is angry already.

How should we answer this NOIR and they need some more prove of our relationship. Friends help

First of all you can not enter the kids on the forms because you did not legally adopt them.

Not your kids, even if you just gave them your name. Where are their parents ?

I would address that in the NOIR and I recommend a lawyer to guide the petitioner on how to proceed with that mistake.

Since they aren't your biological kids the entire issue with the children and baby momma drama would fall away.

I guess you need their birth certificates, school records or whatever else to proof who the children's parents are.

Then on to the other issues, it can be stated that you knew the job, friends etc. and hopefully you can proof it with chats

about her friends, job and shopping if you have talked about it online in chats or emails find and submit them.

Some of her friends could write an affidavit that they know you if you met them online and perhaps have proof that you

interacted with them or were introduced to them.

Whatever you claim you know, prove it with evidence where possible.

If you still have the email to NVC where you asked them to correct the birth of the children you can use that also.

Petitioner should get an experienced immigration attorney who is very familiar with NOIR's.

If USCIS is not satisfied with the NOIR response the petition will be denied.

This does not seem like a do it yourself NOIR response, lawyer up.


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I-129F Sent : 3-31-2014, NOA2: 4-6-2014

NVC Received : some dinkelsberry yehoo in the house of clingons send our petition to the wrong consulate.

Consulate Received : July 30,2014 Transfer to right embassy complete.

Interview Date : Oct 22, 2014

Interview Result : AP , requesting another PC (not expired) and certified divorce decree (was submitted)Stokes interview via phone for petitioner 4 hrs after interview.

Oct 23 email notification visa approved.
Visa Received : Nov. 3 , 2014 VISA IN HAND.

US Entry : Nov. 21, 2014

Marriage : Dec 27, 2014

AOS send : May 12, 2015, received May 14, 2015 USPS priority

Email &text : May 18, 2015, check cashed May 19,2015, return receipt May 21, 2015 stamped USCIS Lockbox, NOA1 (3x) May 22,2015

Biometrics : June 1, 2015 letter received for appointment June 8, 2015, successful walk-in June 1, 2015

RFE : June 12, 2015 for income not meeting guideline. Income does ( ! ) exceed guideline.

RFE response : June 26, 2015 returned with a boat load full of financial evidence.

UPDATE: July 5, 2015 updated on all 3 cases, RFE received June 30, 2015.

Service request : Aug 12, 2015, letter received that it will be processed within 90 days from receipt of RFE.

UPDATE: Aug 24, 2015, EAD card being produced/ordered. ( 102 days from AOS receipt day and 55 days from RFE response received.) Thank you Jesus !

Emails : Aug 24, 2015, EAD approved, EAD card ordered.

I-797 EAD/AP approval notice received : Aug 27, 2015

EAD/AP combo card mailed : Aug 27, 2015, EAD/AP combo card received: Aug 31, 2015

Renewal application send for EAD/AP : May 31,2016 (AOS pending over 1 year). Received June 2, 2016,Notice date June7, 2016, emails,texts, NOA1 hard copy

Service request for pending AOS April 21, 2016, case not assigned yet.
Service request for pending AOS June 14, 2016, tier 2 said performing background checks.
Expedite request for EAD/AP Aug 3, 2016, Aug10 notification >request was received, assigned, completed. RFE letter requesting evidence for expedite, docs faxed Aug18

*Service request for I-485 Aug 3, 2016, Aug11 notification> request was assigned. Service request Dec 2, 2016.
AOS Interview letter received Aug 12, 2016

AOS Interview September 21, 2016.

Second Biometrics appointment letters received for EAD and AOS on Aug 15, 2016 for Aug 17 ( 2 day notice).

Second Biometrics completed Aug 17, 2016

Third Biometrics appointment letter received Aug 19, 2016 for Sept. 1, 2016. WTH ?!

EAD/AP (renewal) approval Aug 22, 2016, NOA2 received Aug 25, 2016

Renewal EAD in production notification text and online, expedite successful 4 days after RFE request response was faxed, Aug25mailed,Aug29received.

Sept. 21 Interview, 2 hour interview, we were separated and asked about 50 questions each for an hour each. IO was firm but professional, some smiles.
Several service requests made, contacted Senator and Ombudsman. Background checks still pending.
July 21, 2017 HOME VISIT.  Went well. Topic thread in AOS forum.
Waiting to skip ROC and get 10 yr GC due to over 2 year while pending AOS
AOS APPROVED Oct. 4, 2017 * Green card in hand Oct 13, 2017 !!!!!

First K1 denied after 16 month of AP. Refiled. We are a couple since 2009. Not a sprint but a matter of endurance.

 

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I think this is a common practice in Ghana which conflicts with how western cultures do their stuff.

Locally, you can call your siblings' children as your own because it shows that you love them like your own and you treat them as such.

Since this is a norm, we erroneously make such claims when it comes to dealing with US immigration.

People have called gf/bf as wife/husband.. Wives call their husband's brothers "husband". example junior husband or senior husband but sisters of husbands are called rightly as sisters-in-law.

That's just a little education.

So, even though it might seem like a big lie with regards to calling those kids as your own, it isn't , from our cultural point of view.

You will have to adopt them legally to be able to bring them to the US. So when you go to see a lawyer about responding to the NOIR, try and explain this cultural aspect so that he/she can effectively help you respond to that part.

Good luck to you!


How long did it take for you to get the NOIR since the interview?


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CR- 1

Interview :  11/15/2016

Result: AP  (form 221 (g))

Correspondence with Embassy: Tons of emails, Facebook posts, tweets, Congressman inquiry

Complaint letter with OIG : 12/29/2016

Case dispatched to diplomatic pouch : 01/11/2017

Case dispatched from diplomatic mail service to NVC : 01/23/2017

Case arrived at NVC: 01/26/2017

NVC sent case to USCIS : 02/09/2017 (system update)

Case receive by USCIS (text & email notification): 03/07/2017

 

Reaffirm Petition Timeline for folks in GHANA.. Please update your information..Thank you!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k0NXnbJdyEIRR1_Dr4t3yXmsM0tBbq-tZsj0-o3cMV0/edit?usp=sharing

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I need help, I have received my NOIR and the embassy is lying with some of the issues and I need help.

THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING

1. The beneficiary could not describe in detail the petitions life in U.S. He could not state what she does for work and could not name her supervisor

2. The beneficiary also could not name any of the petitioner' close friends or describe or what she does in her leisure time.

3.The beneficiary states that he has two children. Both of his children were born in Ghana. The children were born to two different women seven months apart in September of 2013 and April of 2014. Subsequent to the beneficiary's marriage to the petition.

These are the 3 question uscis is asking.

With regards to the interview I gave only one place she goes for shopping because I could hardly remember over there, and with regards to her best friend, I mentioned 1 name. On her job I gave her 5 types of work she does.

The children dates are 2012 and 2013 restive not 2014. These children are my relatives kids I have adopted them not through any legal documentation or means and I told them their my own kids but we did not file for them only mentioned their names on the documents as my kids. and I have added my names to theirs.

We called NVC that we have made mistake on the date of birth of the kids and the asked us to correct it at the embassy but they did not allowed it. After the interview the woman is angry already.

How should we answer this NOIR and they need some more prove of our relationship. Friends help

you have complicated yourself with the adoption. HUGE MISTAKE. You have a tough battle ahead of with with the adoption lies.

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I think this is a common practice in Ghana which conflicts with how western cultures do their stuff.

Locally, you can call your siblings' children as your own because it shows that you love them like your own and you treat them as such.

Since this is a norm, we erroneously make such claims when it comes to dealing with US immigration.

People have called gf/bf as wife/husband.. Wives call their husband's brothers "husband". example junior husband or senior husband but sisters of husbands are called rightly as sisters-in-law.

That's just a little education.

So, even though it might seem like a big lie with regards to calling those kids as your own, it isn't , from our cultural point of view.

You will have to adopt them legally to be able to bring them to the US. So when you go to see a lawyer about responding to the NOIR, try and explain this cultural aspect so that he/she can effectively help you respond to that part.

Good luck to you!

How long did it take for you to get the NOIR since the interview?

I understand your point perfectly but also remember things have changed drastically in this modern world. People can't commit such mistakes on legal and or official documents. I wonder where they're from because I knew for a very long time that claiming children through any immigrant calls for DNA. In the eyes of a western country, it's a big mistake/lie. I hope they can overcome such obstacle. We all need to be with our lovers/spouses.

I think this is a common practice in Ghana which conflicts with how western cultures do their stuff.

Locally, you can call your siblings' children as your own because it shows that you love them like your own and you treat them as such.

Since this is a norm, we erroneously make such claims when it comes to dealing with US immigration.

People have called gf/bf as wife/husband.. Wives call their husband's brothers "husband". example junior husband or senior husband but sisters of husbands are called rightly as sisters-in-law.

That's just a little education.

So, even though it might seem like a big lie with regards to calling those kids as your own, it isn't , from our cultural point of view.

You will have to adopt them legally to be able to bring them to the US. So when you go to see a lawyer about responding to the NOIR, try and explain this cultural aspect so that he/she can effectively help you respond to that part.

Good luck to you!

How long did it take for you to get the NOIR since the interview?

I understand your point perfectly but also remember things have changed drastically in this modern world. People can't commit such mistakes on legal and or official documents. I wonder where they're from because I knew for a very long time that claiming children through any immigrant calls for DNA. In the eyes of a western country, it's a big mistake/lie. I hope they can overcome such obstacle. We all need to be with our lovers/spouses.

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I think this is a common practice in Ghana which conflicts with how western cultures do their stuff.

Locally, you can call your siblings' children as your own because it shows that you love them like your own and you treat them as such.

Since this is a norm, we erroneously make such claims when it comes to dealing with US immigration.

People have called gf/bf as wife/husband.. Wives call their husband's brothers "husband". example junior husband or senior husband but sisters of husbands are called rightly as sisters-in-law.

That's just a little education.

So, even though it might seem like a big lie with regards to calling those kids as your own, it isn't , from our cultural point of view.

You will have to adopt them legally to be able to bring them to the US. So when you go to see a lawyer about responding to the NOIR, try and explain this cultural aspect so that he/she can effectively help you respond to that part.

Good luck to you!

How long did it take for you to get the NOIR since the interview?

It may be consistent with the culture or norms to call your siblings children "your own." However, there is nothing in the culture that indicates you can put the children on the immigration forms as "your own." This wasn't a mistake; it was purposeful and intentional to help the children get immigration benefit down the road by listing them now- something they aren't entitled to since they are neither his biological children nor adopted children. He didn't know this wasn't possible and was caught. I hope he finds a lawyer who is able to put him on the right path to overcome something that is likely a material representation.


Marriage (if applicable): 2007-09-08

I-130 sent: 2008-08-05

I-130 approved: 2009-04-08

Case Completed at NVC: 2009-04-08

IR-1 Visa Received: 2011-01-21

US Entry: 2011-01-29

SS card received: 02-26-2011

10 years GC Received: 03/10/2011

Citizenship eligibility Criteria: 3 years

10-31-2013: Eligibility Date

02-07-2014: Application Sent

02-11-2014: Application Received

02-11-2014: Priority Date

02-18-2014: NOA Received

02-20-2014: Bio-metric Letter sent Date

03-11-2014: Bio-metric Date

03-13-2014: In-line for Interview

04-10-2014: Interview Letter Sent Date

05-20-2014: Interview Date

06-19-2014: Oath Ceremony

06-21-2014: Applied for U.S passport Book (expedite-$60)

06-23-2014: Passport Application received

06-26-2014: Passport Completed processing and mailed

06-27-2014: Passport Received

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It may be consistent with the culture or norms to call your siblings children "your own." However, there is nothing in the culture that indicates you can put the children on the immigration forms as "your own." This wasn't a mistake; it was purposeful and intentional to help the children get immigration benefit down the road by listing them now- something they aren't entitled to since they are neither his biological children nor adopted children. He didn't know this wasn't possible and was caught. I hope he finds a lawyer who is able to put him on the right path to overcome something that is likely a material representation.

I like to give people the benefit of doubt.

How do you know that he did it this with malicious intent?

What if he is has been playing the role of "legal guardian" all this while? You don't have to be the biological parent to someone in other to get immigration benefit for the child(ren).

He just have to adopt those children legally and he will be good to go.

I won't accuse a man of a crime without proof. You shouldn't.

Now, i don't know about the rest of his case but based on this part alone, i would like to believe he didn't know.

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CR- 1

Interview :  11/15/2016

Result: AP  (form 221 (g))

Correspondence with Embassy: Tons of emails, Facebook posts, tweets, Congressman inquiry

Complaint letter with OIG : 12/29/2016

Case dispatched to diplomatic pouch : 01/11/2017

Case dispatched from diplomatic mail service to NVC : 01/23/2017

Case arrived at NVC: 01/26/2017

NVC sent case to USCIS : 02/09/2017 (system update)

Case receive by USCIS (text & email notification): 03/07/2017

 

Reaffirm Petition Timeline for folks in GHANA.. Please update your information..Thank you!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k0NXnbJdyEIRR1_Dr4t3yXmsM0tBbq-tZsj0-o3cMV0/edit?usp=sharing

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It may be consistent with the culture or norms to call your siblings children "your own." However, there is nothing in the culture that indicates you can put the children on the immigration forms as "your own." This wasn't a mistake; it was purposeful and intentional to help the children get immigration benefit down the road by listing them now- something they aren't entitled to since they are neither his biological children nor adopted children. He didn't know this wasn't possible and was caught. I hope he finds a lawyer who is able to put him on the right path to overcome something that is likely a material representation.

there's no "immigration form" in our culture..unless you have seen one.


(L)(L)(L)(L)(L)(L)(L)

CR- 1

Interview :  11/15/2016

Result: AP  (form 221 (g))

Correspondence with Embassy: Tons of emails, Facebook posts, tweets, Congressman inquiry

Complaint letter with OIG : 12/29/2016

Case dispatched to diplomatic pouch : 01/11/2017

Case dispatched from diplomatic mail service to NVC : 01/23/2017

Case arrived at NVC: 01/26/2017

NVC sent case to USCIS : 02/09/2017 (system update)

Case receive by USCIS (text & email notification): 03/07/2017

 

Reaffirm Petition Timeline for folks in GHANA.. Please update your information..Thank you!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k0NXnbJdyEIRR1_Dr4t3yXmsM0tBbq-tZsj0-o3cMV0/edit?usp=sharing

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Thanks a lot but can we continue with the original one because the date that my wife submitted to uscis when she was filling the case was 2012 not 2014 to avoid long legal processing process.

I have no idea what you are talking about in this comment. Please clarify in a more detailed post.


Spoiler

 

I-129F Sent : 3-31-2014, NOA2: 4-6-2014

NVC Received : some dinkelsberry yehoo in the house of clingons send our petition to the wrong consulate.

Consulate Received : July 30,2014 Transfer to right embassy complete.

Interview Date : Oct 22, 2014

Interview Result : AP , requesting another PC (not expired) and certified divorce decree (was submitted)Stokes interview via phone for petitioner 4 hrs after interview.

Oct 23 email notification visa approved.
Visa Received : Nov. 3 , 2014 VISA IN HAND.

US Entry : Nov. 21, 2014

Marriage : Dec 27, 2014

AOS send : May 12, 2015, received May 14, 2015 USPS priority

Email &text : May 18, 2015, check cashed May 19,2015, return receipt May 21, 2015 stamped USCIS Lockbox, NOA1 (3x) May 22,2015

Biometrics : June 1, 2015 letter received for appointment June 8, 2015, successful walk-in June 1, 2015

RFE : June 12, 2015 for income not meeting guideline. Income does ( ! ) exceed guideline.

RFE response : June 26, 2015 returned with a boat load full of financial evidence.

UPDATE: July 5, 2015 updated on all 3 cases, RFE received June 30, 2015.

Service request : Aug 12, 2015, letter received that it will be processed within 90 days from receipt of RFE.

UPDATE: Aug 24, 2015, EAD card being produced/ordered. ( 102 days from AOS receipt day and 55 days from RFE response received.) Thank you Jesus !

Emails : Aug 24, 2015, EAD approved, EAD card ordered.

I-797 EAD/AP approval notice received : Aug 27, 2015

EAD/AP combo card mailed : Aug 27, 2015, EAD/AP combo card received: Aug 31, 2015

Renewal application send for EAD/AP : May 31,2016 (AOS pending over 1 year). Received June 2, 2016,Notice date June7, 2016, emails,texts, NOA1 hard copy

Service request for pending AOS April 21, 2016, case not assigned yet.
Service request for pending AOS June 14, 2016, tier 2 said performing background checks.
Expedite request for EAD/AP Aug 3, 2016, Aug10 notification >request was received, assigned, completed. RFE letter requesting evidence for expedite, docs faxed Aug18

*Service request for I-485 Aug 3, 2016, Aug11 notification> request was assigned. Service request Dec 2, 2016.
AOS Interview letter received Aug 12, 2016

AOS Interview September 21, 2016.

Second Biometrics appointment letters received for EAD and AOS on Aug 15, 2016 for Aug 17 ( 2 day notice).

Second Biometrics completed Aug 17, 2016

Third Biometrics appointment letter received Aug 19, 2016 for Sept. 1, 2016. WTH ?!

EAD/AP (renewal) approval Aug 22, 2016, NOA2 received Aug 25, 2016

Renewal EAD in production notification text and online, expedite successful 4 days after RFE request response was faxed, Aug25mailed,Aug29received.

Sept. 21 Interview, 2 hour interview, we were separated and asked about 50 questions each for an hour each. IO was firm but professional, some smiles.
Several service requests made, contacted Senator and Ombudsman. Background checks still pending.
July 21, 2017 HOME VISIT.  Went well. Topic thread in AOS forum.
Waiting to skip ROC and get 10 yr GC due to over 2 year while pending AOS
AOS APPROVED Oct. 4, 2017 * Green card in hand Oct 13, 2017 !!!!!

First K1 denied after 16 month of AP. Refiled. We are a couple since 2009. Not a sprint but a matter of endurance.

 

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I think this is a common practice in Ghana which conflicts with how western cultures do their stuff.

Locally, you can call your siblings' children as your own because it shows that you love them like your own and you treat them as such.

Since this is a norm, we erroneously make such claims when it comes to dealing with US immigration.

People have called gf/bf as wife/husband.. Wives call their husband's brothers "husband". example junior husband or senior husband but sisters of husbands are called rightly as sisters-in-law.

That's just a little education.

So, even though it might seem like a big lie with regards to calling those kids as your own, it isn't , from our cultural point of view.

You will have to adopt them legally to be able to bring them to the US. So when you go to see a lawyer about responding to the NOIR, try and explain this cultural aspect so that he/she can effectively help you respond to that part.

Good luck to you!

How long did it take for you to get the NOIR since the interview?

Thanks bro. It took USCIS 12 month to send us the NOIR.

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I have no idea what you are talking about in this comment. Please clarify in a more detailed post.

I was saying in case I don't tell them their are not my biological children but tell them there was an oversight on the issue of the date of birth and used the USCIS original documents we filled at first which correctly gives their correct date of birth.

And there with reference with the NVC on the date issue we didn't send them an email, we called them.

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there's no "immigration form" in our culture..unless you have seen one.

I don't know where you're getting this idea from. You're obviosly confused by the choice of words and manner of expressions. I never said there is "immigration form" in the culture.


Marriage (if applicable): 2007-09-08

I-130 sent: 2008-08-05

I-130 approved: 2009-04-08

Case Completed at NVC: 2009-04-08

IR-1 Visa Received: 2011-01-21

US Entry: 2011-01-29

SS card received: 02-26-2011

10 years GC Received: 03/10/2011

Citizenship eligibility Criteria: 3 years

10-31-2013: Eligibility Date

02-07-2014: Application Sent

02-11-2014: Application Received

02-11-2014: Priority Date

02-18-2014: NOA Received

02-20-2014: Bio-metric Letter sent Date

03-11-2014: Bio-metric Date

03-13-2014: In-line for Interview

04-10-2014: Interview Letter Sent Date

05-20-2014: Interview Date

06-19-2014: Oath Ceremony

06-21-2014: Applied for U.S passport Book (expedite-$60)

06-23-2014: Passport Application received

06-26-2014: Passport Completed processing and mailed

06-27-2014: Passport Received

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It may be consistent with the culture or norms to call your siblings children "your own." However, there is nothing in the culture that indicates you can put the children on the immigration forms as "your own." This wasn't a mistake; it was purposeful and intentional to help the children get immigration benefit down the road by listing them now- something they aren't entitled to since they are neither his biological children nor adopted children. He didn't know this wasn't possible and was caught. I hope he finds a lawyer who is able to put him on the right path to overcome something that is likely a material misrepresentation.

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