Question about i864 and i864a

[kaczkl25 0]

Hi everyone,

My dad is my joint sponsor (i864) and my mom is filling out the i864a. My parents file taxes jointly and make no individual income (they own a business 50-50).

My question is:

On the i864 does my dad need to make any mention of my mom (this would only cause the numbers to be doubled, because they make the same income and own the same assets). Or can she just fill out the i864a, with out any mention of her at all in the i864?

Thank you in advance! I´m very confused and would really appreciate your help!

[aleful 1,905]

hi

she fills out the i864A but she adds her income to your dad's on his i864, the i864A is a contract between them, so he adds her on his household size and income

In part 5 he adds her as household size and in part 6 he adds her information and income

the sum of both incomes should match their taxes

what individual income did they make?

Edited March 31, 2015 by aleful

[Ryan H 3,813]

Duplicate thread removed; please do not start multiple threads on the same subject.

[kaczkl25 0]

Thank you. What I meant is that they make the same income. My parents both own their business. My dad receives Social Security retirement, but includes that on the joint tax return. My mom has no other income besides the business and my dad´s social security (is that considered her income too because it is on the joint return??), so I am confused what my dad will put for her on his i864 for the financial portion since my mom doesn´t contribute any extra income to the household.

Edited March 31, 2015 by kaczkl25

[aleful 1,905]

hi

so how much individual income did she make

if she has her own business, how much of a salary did she make?

so she worked for free and didn't have any type of salary?

[kaczkl25 0]

My parents jointly made 31,000 from the business that they own together. She has no additional income.

[NikLR 13,227]

When they pay themselves, do they write put a check to each person or both as a couple or one person?

[kaczkl25 0]

I´m sorry I don´t think I am being clear in what I´m asking. I try to call the help line and it´s always busy.

Legally and financially they take care of everything as a couple. They both own it, but my dad does all of the work. My only concern/question is:

When my dad puts in his annual income the number will be the complete total for the entire household (my dad, my mom, and the intending immigrant). I just want to know if my dad needs to mention my mom on his I 864, since she as a household member BUT has no other income to add?

For example, let´s say my dad puts $40,000 as his total annual income (business earning + Social security). $40,000 is the number on the tax transcript. My parents file jointly, so that $40,000 is my mom´s total too. She has nothing extra to add.

I understand if she DID HAVE additional income, he would need to mention her, put her additional income and then check the box that states she has filled out an I864a. However, since she has no additional income from what is already being listed, can she just fill out the I864a WITHOUT having the box checked and that section filled out on my dad´s I864?

The only reason I am even having her fill out the I864a is because all taxes are filed jointly and all assets in both of their names and I want to be one the cautious side if they request that she has a I864a.

Thank you for your patience and I really appreciate your help!

Edited March 31, 2015 by kaczkl25

[NikLR 13,227]

No if your mother does not actually work, even though her name is on the business, then she does NOT need to submit an I-864a. Unless they're willing to figure out how each person is paid individually, or what portion of the assets each owns, you shouldn't need an I-864a for your mother. If you send one, without recording it appropriately on the I-864 you WILL get a checklist for the I-864.

[kaczkl25 0]

Thank you. I have one more question. Could my parents split the income from the business, for example my dad puts 50% + Social security and my mom would put 50% of the business income on my dad's 1864? (and then she fill out the I864a with that 50%)

Or when splitting the money would it have to have been done officially in some way throughout the year?

[NikLR 13,227]

Thank you. I have one more question. Could my parents split the income from the business, for example my dad puts 50% + Social security and my mom would put 50% of the business income on my dad's 1864? (and then she fill out the I864a with that 50%)

Or when splitting the money would it have to have been done officially in some way throughout the year?

Even a joint sponsor needs to show how they make their income. So unless you can show how they're employed? Self employed income normally is shown via tax return.

[kaczkl25 0]

They file taxes with all of the appropriate tax forms for self-employment. By any chance do you know which form would show the information I´m looking for?

[NikLR 13,227]

No, I'm not self employed. Hopefully someone who is can tell you.

[kaczkl25 0]

Thank you for all of our help!

[kaczkl25 0]

Sorry to bug you all again. I got the income part figured out for my joint sponsor (my dad) and his household member (my mom).

Now I have a question about assets. For assets that my parents split 50-50, will my dad just write half of the asset value on his I 864 and my mom write the other half on her I 864a?

For example: if savings account is $50,000. Dad writes $25,000 on i864 and mom writes $25,000 on i864a?

Thanks in advance!

Edited April 1, 2015 by kaczkl25