Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms

[Darnell 8,478]

wait - she's not dead yet, right? I studied her photos earlier in the week.

[Curmudgeon 227]

The difference you seem to overlook is that the Vietnamese woman who gave her life for others volunteered to go and was much better trained. The soldiers have no choice and are poorly trained. Their lives are forcibly being put at risk.

I applaud anyone willing to go over and help. That IS a noble thing. In fact, go on over to help, and I'll personally sing your praises.

She didn't volunteer to go anywhere. She was in Texas. Despite what you are suggesting, they don't send troops to act as doctors or nurses. I am not sure what capacity they would be deployed, but it wouldn't be doing jobs they were not trained to do.

[Merle 458]

The Ebola Lie Exposed!

There is no doubt that people are dying of something but is it truly Ebola or something (i.e. vaccine-related injuries, treatment side effects) that is subsequently labeled as Ebola?

Ebola is a showcase example of a circular argument which is the common modus operandi of modern virology as the very basis of almost all of today's medical vaccination campaigns.

All vaccination programmes in the third world are, from a scientific point of view, under the strongest suspicion of deliberate genocide, the decimation of the indigenous population away from the eyes of the world.

Even the so-called Ebola cases are in reality some of the worst vaccine-induced injuries, since in Africa they sometimes "work" with doses that are 1,000 times higher than in Europe and so these are more likely side effects of criminal human experiments."

Secret genetic experiments on African people: "When you are poisoned with such a lethal doses, your liver stops creating the globulins needed for blood-clotting. You then start bleeding internally and externally, it is called hemorrhagic fever... and of course they are blaming it once more on a virus!"

http://drsircus.com/medicine/ebola-lie-exposed#utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=5dae2fe1a7-Article_206&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-5dae2fe1a7-10609057&mc_cid=5dae2fe1a7&mc_eid=e816a36d93

Do you think 9/11 was an inside job?

[UncleBeer 244]

they don't send troops to act as doctors or nurses

Nope; they're sent as cannon fodder. Or in this case, virus fodder.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

She didn't volunteer to go anywhere. She was in Texas. Despite what you are suggesting, they don't send troops to act as doctors or nurses. I am not sure what capacity they would be deployed, but it wouldn't be doing jobs they were not trained to do.

I thought you were referring to a nurse in Africa, my mistake.

The troops will be building structures for ebola patients such as treatment centers and places to live. Pretty mundane stuff.... right up until they start putting patients in place where the soldiers are. The lack of training I am referring to as well as the lack of pro gear makes it kinda scary. I know most soldiers would rather go to Afghanistan than Africa right now.

[rlogan 2,036]

(yeah, the US does that, who knew?) but also because, stopping the Ebola virus from spreading by caring for the sick in West Africa is the single best way of ensuring it does not spread outwards and into the wider wold community, including the US.

No, the top priority is quarantine. I say rubbish to blind so-called humanitarianism. The 1976 outbreak was solved by quarantine. There were hundreds of villages involved, the WHO was helping with strategy and logistics, and they put all of them on lockdown. Sterilized needles cost nil and that is one way we learned in 1976 to stop the spread. Protective gear was another thing. It is more important than sending people. I don't hear a sensible epidemiological plan referring to our experience with this disease. I just see rhetorical pom-pons and cheering. I don't see you referring to any specifics here at all about our organizational chart, the timeline for deliverables, a list of what they are, where... Because it wasn't important. Image is what's important.

The one thing about interventionists is that they are always so #######-sure how flawlessly the planning has been, the training, the provisioning, the interfacing with what constitutes governments in these areas of longstanding civil strife. Well no - this was a political move more than epidemiological.

The real world, with emergency contracting like this in particular is waste, fraud, and abuse, Murphy's Law, Law of Unintended Consequences, SNAFU, and as we have seen domestically already: sheer incompetence and even negligence by a doctor who should have known better. The agency that was created domestically to handle such a thing here has proven to be a big zero, and while we make such basic mistakes at home I just don't see forecasting much better overseas in areas of such corruption and strife.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Thanks mom. I will continue to do so, in spite of your trying to twist his meaning. I happen to know he harbors no contempt towards the region regardless of your posturing.

Now THAT is a clear violation of the TOS as regards personal attacks, no skirting the edges there.

10-1 you get in trouble for pointing it out

The Ebola Lie Exposed!

There is no doubt that people are dying of something but is it truly Ebola or something (i.e. vaccine-related injuries, treatment side effects) that is subsequently labeled as Ebola?

Ebola is a showcase example of a circular argument which is the common modus operandi of modern virology as the very basis of almost all of today's medical vaccination campaigns.

All vaccination programmes in the third world are, from a scientific point of view, under the strongest suspicion of deliberate genocide, the decimation of the indigenous population away from the eyes of the world.

Even the so-called Ebola cases are in reality some of the worst vaccine-induced injuries, since in Africa they sometimes "work" with doses that are 1,000 times higher than in Europe and so these are more likely side effects of criminal human experiments."

Secret genetic experiments on African people: "When you are poisoned with such a lethal doses, your liver stops creating the globulins needed for blood-clotting. You then start bleeding internally and externally, it is called hemorrhagic fever... and of course they are blaming it once more on a virus!"

http://drsircus.com/medicine/ebola-lie-exposed#utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=5dae2fe1a7-Article_206&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-5dae2fe1a7-10609057&mc_cid=5dae2fe1a7&mc_eid=e816a36d93

Notice all the white patients in the US have lived and the only Black patient died. You may be onto something

The Ebola Lie Exposed!

There is no doubt that people are dying of something but is it truly Ebola or something (i.e. vaccine-related injuries, treatment side effects) that is subsequently labeled as Ebola?

Ebola is a showcase example of a circular argument which is the common modus operandi of modern virology as the very basis of almost all of today's medical vaccination campaigns.

All vaccination programmes in the third world are, from a scientific point of view, under the strongest suspicion of deliberate genocide, the decimation of the indigenous population away from the eyes of the world.

Even the so-called Ebola cases are in reality some of the worst vaccine-induced injuries, since in Africa they sometimes "work" with doses that are 1,000 times higher than in Europe and so these are more likely side effects of criminal human experiments."

Secret genetic experiments on African people: "When you are poisoned with such a lethal doses, your liver stops creating the globulins needed for blood-clotting. You then start bleeding internally and externally, it is called hemorrhagic fever... and of course they are blaming it once more on a virus!"

http://drsircus.com/medicine/ebola-lie-exposed#utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=5dae2fe1a7-Article_206&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-5dae2fe1a7-10609057&mc_cid=5dae2fe1a7&mc_eid=e816a36d93

Notice all the white patients in the US have lived and the only Black patient died. You may be onto something

[GandD 5,966]

~~Multiple personal attacks removed as well as one quoting. Next one gets mod action~~

[Curmudgeon 227]

I thought you were referring to a nurse in Africa, my mistake.

The troops will be building structures for ebola patients such as treatment centers and places to live. Pretty mundane stuff.... right up until they start putting patients in place where the soldiers are. The lack of training I am referring to as well as the lack of pro gear makes it kinda scary. I know most soldiers would rather go to Afghanistan than Africa right now.

I really don't think they will be placed in areas of high risk. That there will be some risk is inevitable, but I am quite sure that there are systems in place to minimize that risk. I am sure there is some fear, the military are not in control of where they are deployed or what they will be expected to do, ever, but I am sure, to a man they will do the job they are asked to do to the best of their ability. Good on them.

Oh, yeah the nurse I was referring to was one of the two who were infected while caring for the patient in Texas. Her friends, family and community are rightly proud of her.

[Curmudgeon 227]

No, the top priority is quarantine. I say rubbish to blind so-called humanitarianism. The 1976 outbreak was solved by quarantine. There were hundreds of villages involved, the WHO was helping with strategy and logistics, and they put all of them on lockdown. Sterilized needles cost nil and that is one way we learned in 1976 to stop the spread. Protective gear was another thing. It is more important than sending people. I don't hear a sensible epidemiological plan referring to our experience with this disease. I just see rhetorical pom-pons and cheering. I don't see you referring to any specifics here at all about our organizational chart, the timeline for deliverables, a list of what they are, where... Because it wasn't important. Image is what's important.

The one thing about interventionists is that they are always so #######-sure how flawlessly the planning has been, the training, the provisioning, the interfacing with what constitutes governments in these areas of longstanding civil strife. Well no - this was a political move more than epidemiological.

The real world, with emergency contracting like this in particular is waste, fraud, and abuse, Murphy's Law, Law of Unintended Consequences, SNAFU, and as we have seen domestically already: sheer incompetence and even negligence by a doctor who should have known better. The agency that was created domestically to handle such a thing here has proven to be a big zero, and while we make such basic mistakes at home I just don't see forecasting much better overseas in areas of such corruption and strife.

Almost all the workers who have traveled to West Africa work for humanitarian organizations who have a very high reputation for their work and their organization. You may want to call these people 'so-called humanitarians' and 'interventionists' but, you would be quite wrong. However, that's your opinion, based on what, no idea as its nothing to do with anything that is going on out there. You seem to want to believe the entire issue is political, these organizations are not. I have no interest in the political chitter chatter on this issue.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

I really don't think they will be placed in areas of high risk. That there will be some risk is inevitable, but I am quite sure that there are systems in place to minimize that risk. I am sure there is some fear, the military are not in control of where they are deployed or what they will be expected to do, ever, but I am sure, to a man they will do the job they are asked to do to the best of their ability. Good on them.

Oh, yeah the nurse I was referring to was one of the two who were infected while caring for the patient in Texas. Her friends, family and community are rightly proud of her.

And they have every right to be. To serve in the face of such a lethal threat is noble, at a minimum.

As to the risk areas, I will get back to you. I know the training they received was minimal at best. As to how far they are from the "danger zone", I am sure it is a ways away for now. But eventually, the gap will have to close.

[kev_n_jena 89]

Has anyone heard whether or not the nurses from Texas will be allowed to treat patients, draw blood, etc. and if so, when? I hope they were being paid while they were hospitalized.

Kevin

[landr 126]

I don't think people should be vilified for going to help. But I think that those who do go and return should not expect to return to their daily routines without a mandatory quarantine period. With something as deadly as Ebola, it should be standard operating practice to (self-)quarantine after potential exposure.

As medical professionals, particularly medical professionals with Ebola experience, they've seen what happens when Ebola spreads within a community. To be complaining about being put into quarantine or to not self-quarantine (even if MSF or the CDC tells them that it's not required) seems cavalier and does not align with the altruistic actions that led them to be infected with Ebola in the first place.

The media and officials seem to be making a big song and dance about Nina Pham because it hasn't been reported that she has been anything less than selfless and shown good judgement in her actions, from exposure to confirmed/suspected Ebola infection. Whereas we've had a new immigrant lying on his entry documents, a doctor gallivanting all over New York, a nurse trying on wedding dresses, a lab worker going on a cruise and a medical/media personality visiting her favourite soup restaurant.

[lostinblue 1,989]

Has anyone heard whether or not the nurses from Texas will be allowed to treat patients, draw blood, etc. and if so, when? I hope they were being paid while they were hospitalized.

Kevin

I am sure the book and movie rights will allow them to retire at an early age,