Smoking ban in cars

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Well said. I guess I would be more in favor of outright banning smoking, period...unless there is a way an individual can smoke in a self contained room where no one else will be breathing in the second-hand smoke except for other smokers. The more I think about it, it's nearly impossible to smoke without effecting other people around you, whereas, no one else besides me is going to have high cholesterol from eating fast food.

i'm sure a lot of your cali herb smokers would disagree with that......

Let them bake brownies.

[Elphie 0]

I agree with not smoking around children. I personally go out and smoke in my garage because for one...I don't want my son breathing it in and two...I don't want my house to smell like it. It does seem however that we are getting closer and closer to the time when smoking will be banned completely. I see it coming with the next 10 to 15 years...maybe sooner.

[DelcoCouple 1]

To argue that secondhand smoke doesn't affect the lungs of people is incorrect. It's simply wrong. Everyone knows it, .....

In that case please be so kind as to provide a valid scientific link with a control group which has not been been countered then if this is factrather than asserting your opinion is fact. It is not it is your opinion no more no less.

OOPS you can't every single one of them has been invalidated as flawed, bad science or pure fiction. It may be your opinion but had you read my previous posts you would see that is definitely not fact.

Perhasp it should be of more interest to you that obesity is a much larger problem for kids and their health but judging by the number of fat kids (rather like their parents) I see waddling around no one seems to be overly concerned with it.

Why are you not outside picketing McDonalds and the parents force feeding their kids junk food?

More kids will die from CAD brought on by poor diet and obesity than secondary smoking. When do you suggest they ban parents feeding kids junk in their car?

What you do in your car and with your kids is your choice. Equally I have a choice, this simple concept is called freedom and government has no place in nannying me thank you very much.

No, it's not an emotional argument. I am not trotting out old arguments either. Just as many children are harmed by second hand smoke as they are by drug use. ....

Please provide me with a link to valid empirical evidence of your opinion. Without such it is of no value other than opinion. Your role as an educator renders your opinion no more or less valid. I fail to see why you raise it?

[Alanlvsjudy 0]

To own a car doesn't indicate a damned thing beyond the fact that you own a car. You might be responsible. You might have had daddy co-sign and make the insurance payments for you. You might have bought it at a junkyard. Neither here nor there.

I don't think it's responsible to smoke with children in the car, or in the home. I also don't think it is responsible to feed children Happy Meals, and I think obesity is a greater danger than secondhand cigarette smoke. But I don't think the state has the right to stop a mother at McDonald's and give her a ticket, or to do a no-knock raid her refrigerator. I don't think it's responsible to let children watch violent movies or play video games instead of exercising. But I don't think the job of the state is to make me responsible.

If the behavior isn't dangerous enough to ban outright (and if you want to make cigarette smoking illegal, your position is consistent), then arguing that it's okay to smoke in the home with children around but not in the car seems crazy. It's irresponsible, but there are plenty of irresponsible behaviors that fall short of child abuse or an actionable reason by the state.

For those of you arguing that it's child abuse; are you just employing over-the-top rhetoric, or do you really think that a child who has a parent who smokes should be removed from the home? Should a divorced parent lose custody if her new partner smokes?

Well said. I guess I would be more in favor of outright banning smoking, period...unless there is a way an individual can smoke in a self contained room where no one else will be breathing in the second-hand smoke except for other smokers. The more I think about it, it's nearly impossible to smoke without effecting other people around you, whereas, no one else besides me is going to have high cholesterol from eating fast food.

Do we then legislate to lock you in a self contained room when you fart?, the methane is rather harmful after all...

[bostonparis 0]

In that case please be so kind as to provide a valid scientific link with a control group which has not been been countered then if this is factrather than asserting your opinion is fact. It is not it is your opinion no more no less.

Oh, come on. I could provide link after link, and you'd come back here with link after link. I'm not going to waste my time trying to prove something to you that I know to be true, that my friends and family know to be true, that much of the world knows to be true, but people like you fail (or, more likely, just don't WANT) to believe.

I've seen the devastating effects of smoking, and of second-hand smoke. I hope you never have to.

[DelcoCouple 1]

In that case please be so kind as to provide a valid scientific link with a control group which has not been been countered then if this is factrather than asserting your opinion is fact. It is not it is your opinion no more no less.

Oh, come on. I could provide link after link, and you'd come back here with link after link. I'm not going to waste my time trying to prove something to you that I know to be true, that my friends and family know to be true, that much of the world knows to be true, but people like you fail (or, more likely, just don't WANT) to believe.

I've seen the devastating effects of smoking, and of second-hand smoke. I hope you never have to.

So you haven't got one then?

I am indeed honoured to meet someone who KNOWS more than esteemed experts in the field Thanks for playing

[bostonparis 0]

In that case please be so kind as to provide a valid scientific link with a control group which has not been been countered then if this is factrather than asserting your opinion is fact. It is not it is your opinion no more no less.

Oh, come on. I could provide link after link, and you'd come back here with link after link. I'm not going to waste my time trying to prove something to you that I know to be true, that my friends and family know to be true, that much of the world knows to be true, but people like you fail (or, more likely, just don't WANT) to believe.

I've seen the devastating effects of smoking, and of second-hand smoke. I hope you never have to.

So you haven't got one then?

I am indeed honoured to meet someone who KNOWS more than esteemed experts in the field Thanks for playing

Why thank you, nice to meet you too!

But, it's nothing to play with. I'm not playing.

[DelcoCouple 1]

Why thank you, nice to meet you too!

But, it's nothing to play with. I'm not playing.

Actually you are. You are playing with my freedom and my right not have the government interfere with my pursuit of happiness

The evangelical gusto with which the anti smoking lobby pursue their nanny state rants is only matched by their hypocrisy in ignoring the more harmful practises which they indulge in themselves. Still if it makes them all feel good what the heck.

BTW 100% of non smokers actually die

Edited January 20, 2007 by DelcoCouple

[eric&gen 0]

Well said. I guess I would be more in favor of outright banning smoking, period...unless there is a way an individual can smoke in a self contained room where no one else will be breathing in the second-hand smoke except for other smokers. The more I think about it, it's nearly impossible to smoke without effecting other people around you, whereas, no one else besides me is going to have high cholesterol from eating fast food.

I'm sure a lot of your cali herb smokers would disagree with that......

I'M from Cali i would like to see smoking banned too but not sausage smoking. Smoking in cars should be banned I'M surprised it doesn't lower the resale value of the cars coz the cigarette smoke stinks up the inside.

[Sinergy 3]

To own a car doesn't indicate a damned thing beyond the fact that you own a car. You might be responsible. You might have had daddy co-sign and make the insurance payments for you. You might have bought it at a junkyard. Neither here nor there.

I don't think it's responsible to smoke with children in the car, or in the home. I also don't think it is responsible to feed children Happy Meals, and I think obesity is a greater danger than secondhand cigarette smoke. But I don't think the state has the right to stop a mother at McDonald's and give her a ticket, or to do a no-knock raid her refrigerator. I don't think it's responsible to let children watch violent movies or play video games instead of exercising. But I don't think the job of the state is to make me responsible.

If the behavior isn't dangerous enough to ban outright (and if you want to make cigarette smoking illegal, your position is consistent), then arguing that it's okay to smoke in the home with children around but not in the car seems crazy. It's irresponsible, but there are plenty of irresponsible behaviors that fall short of child abuse or an actionable reason by the state.

For those of you arguing that it's child abuse; are you just employing over-the-top rhetoric, or do you really think that a child who has a parent who smokes should be removed from the home? Should a divorced parent lose custody if her new partner smokes?

yes, assuming daddy co-signed or we bought our cars in a junk yard. hmmm im glad you know each and everyone of us here. for the record, so your assumptions will mean ####### under my shoe, i worked hard to buy my car paid full in cash, brand new.

and for the record on another post, no one is arguing over "not smoking around your kids like in a car" i think everyone on this thread agreed atleast us smokers that we DONT smoke in cars or our homes around our kids. geez i just love how assumptions are just thrown around like beer bottles in a bar fight.

[Ban Hammer 14,295]

I'M from Cali i would like to see smoking banned too but not sausage smoking.

i doubt sausage smoking will ever be banned in cali

[Caladan 19]

To own a car doesn't indicate a damned thing beyond the fact that you own a car. You might be responsible. You might have had daddy co-sign and make the insurance payments for you. You might have bought it at a junkyard. Neither here nor there.

I don't think it's responsible to smoke with children in the car, or in the home.

yes, assuming daddy co-signed or we bought our cars in a junk yard. hmmm im glad you know each and everyone of us here. for the record, so your assumptions will mean ####### under my shoe, i worked hard to buy my car paid full in cash, brand new.

and for the record on another post, no one is arguing over "not smoking around your kids like in a car" i think everyone on this thread agreed atleast us smokers that we DONT smoke in cars or our homes around our kids. geez i just love how assumptions are just thrown around like beer bottles in a bar fight.

Not making assumptions. KarenCee said that if you have a car, you must be a responsible person. I'm arguing that some are, some aren't; the fact of owning a car doesn't say a blessed thing about whether you're a responsible human being. Some are, some aren't. (You can tell that in my post where I say, "You might be responsible.")

If you want to get offended at that, that's fine, but I know plenty of people who are responsible car owners and plenty of people who aren't. All I'm saying is that saying 'if someone has a car, then they are responsible' doesn't hold up.

Edited January 21, 2007 by Caladan

[KarenCee 3]

To own a car doesn't indicate a damned thing beyond the fact that you own a car. You might be responsible. You might have had daddy co-sign and make the insurance payments for you. You might have bought it at a junkyard. Neither here nor there.

I don't think it's responsible to smoke with children in the car, or in the home.

yes, assuming daddy co-signed or we bought our cars in a junk yard. hmmm im glad you know each and everyone of us here. for the record, so your assumptions will mean ####### under my shoe, i worked hard to buy my car paid full in cash, brand new.

and for the record on another post, no one is arguing over "not smoking around your kids like in a car" i think everyone on this thread agreed atleast us smokers that we DONT smoke in cars or our homes around our kids. geez i just love how assumptions are just thrown around like beer bottles in a bar fight.

Not making assumptions. KarenCee said that if you have a car, you must be a responsible person. I'm arguing that some are, some aren't; the fact of owning a car doesn't say a blessed thing about whether you're a responsible human being. Some are, some aren't. (You can tell that in my post where I say, "You might be responsible.")

If you want to get offended at that, that's fine, but I know plenty of people who are responsible car owners and plenty of people who aren't. All I'm saying is that saying 'if someone has a car, then they are responsible' doesn't hold up.

My reference to being responsible was meant to be aimed at being responsible towards children in the car. YOU chose to take it out of context. Personally I think it shows a lack of responsibility to smoke in a closely confined area such as a car when there are children present. Responsible might also indicate some maturity. My premise is this: think of the children before you light up. That's all I care about.

[Ban Hammer 14,295]

My reference to being responsible was meant to be aimed at being responsible towards children in the car. YOU chose to take it out of context. Personally I think it shows a lack of responsibility to smoke in a closely confined area such as a car when there are children present. Responsible might also indicate some maturity. My premise is this: think of the children before you light up. That's all I care about.

to offer my 2 cents - my dad used to smoke in the vehicle with me when i was a kid and i hated it. i now smoke, and dad does not. i guess i could get revenge by smoking when we go somewhere now

he did acknowledge recently after becoming a non-smoker that he regrets doing that around me when i was a kid. even to this day my eyes water if i get cigarette smoke in them.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

My reference to being responsible was meant to be aimed at being responsible towards children in the car. YOU chose to take it out of context. Personally I think it shows a lack of responsibility to smoke in a closely confined area such as a car when there are children present. Responsible might also indicate some maturity. My premise is this: think of the children before you light up. That's all I care about.

to offer my 2 cents - my dad used to smoke in the vehicle with me when i was a kid and i hated it. i now smoke, and dad does not. i guess i could get revenge by smoking when we go somewhere now

he did acknowledge recently after becoming a non-smoker that he regrets doing that around me when i was a kid. even to this day my eyes water if i get cigarette smoke in them.

Are you going to quit?