Police: Young woman killed in gunfight between concealed weapon permit holder, felon

[Karee 4,189]

Maybe. I believe in the greater good. Feel free to call me dumb.

Maybe. I believe in the greater good. Feel free to call me dumb.

I don't think you're dumb at all. I agree with you that this firearm thing is out of control. It's absolutely silly that there are more guns than people in this country. That said, simply passing laws that restrict firearms isn't going to do anything to change it. The issue isn't the guns, it's the f*cked up people running around killing people with them. Fixing people is much harder than passing a stupid law, drawn up by stupid politicians, that doesn't change a thing.

Passing laws is easy. Changing the way people value life, is not.

[mota bhai 2,675]

No, he is not dumb.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The majority of citizens are in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church not being allowed to protest at funerals

That problem has been dealt with.

[Teddy B 17,251]

So what your saying is that if we get the ball rolling now, in 100 years we might be able to change the second amendment?

The fastest approach might be to ratify the stipulations for making changes to the constitution.

Edited August 20, 2013 by Teddy B

[Jacque67 7,328]

I don't think you're dumb at all. I agree with you that this firearm thing is out of control. It's absolutely silly that there are more guns than people in this country. That said, simply passing laws that restrict firearms isn't going to do anything to change it. The issue isn't the guns, it's the f*cked up people running around killing people with them. Fixing people is much harder than passing a stupid law, drawn up by stupid politicians, that doesn't change a thing.

Passing laws is easy. Changing the way people value life, is not.

Black people now have more rights than they did in the past century. Do they still face prejudice? Yes. But at least they have more legal rights.

Baby steps are important. Apathy is a killer.

[Karee 4,189]

The fastest approach might be to pass an amendment that changes the stipulations for making changes to the constitution.

That has no chance of passing.

[Teddy B 17,251]

That has no chance of passing.

Then take this.

[Karee 4,189]

Then take this.

[Karee 4,189]

Black people now have more rights than they did in the past century. Do they still face prejudice? Yes. But at least they have more legal rights.

Baby steps are important. Apathy is a killer.

Black people have the same exact rights they have had in the past 100 years. Nothing has changed with the constitution in the last 100 years regarding black folks. They have passed some laws in the past 100 years concerning civil rights and discrimination, that sort of thing.

Peoples attitudes change over time. I'd say that has more to do with anything than any laws that were passed. People used to think if you smoked pot, that it would make you go insane. (Some probably still do) Of course over time, that has changed.

People used to think black people were inferior to whites (Some probably still do) Of course over time that has changed. Depending on government to change people's attitudes is not a good thing. Has to come from the people themselves.

[Jacque67 7,328]

Black people have the same exact rights they have had in the past 100 years. Nothing has changed with the constitution in the last 100 years regarding black folks. They have passed some laws in the past 100 years concerning civil rights and discrimination, that sort of thing.

Peoples attitudes change over time. I'd say that has more to do with anything than any laws that were passed. People used to think if you smoked pot, that it would make you go insane. (Some probably still do) Of course over time, that has changed.

People used to think black people were inferior to whites (Some probably still do) Of course over time that has changed. Depending on government to change people's attitudes is not a good thing. Has to come from the people themselves.

Yeah, but what are you trying to say? Laws help the weak in court at least, if not in real life. Changing laws is an important first step.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Black people have the same exact rights they have had in the past 100 years. Nothing has changed with the constitution in the last 100 years regarding black folks. They have passed some laws in the past 100 years concerning civil rights and discrimination, that sort of thing.

Peoples attitudes change over time. I'd say that has more to do with anything than any laws that were passed. People used to think if you smoked pot, that it would make you go insane. (Some probably still do) Of course over time, that has changed.

People used to think black people were inferior to whites (Some probably still do) Of course over time that has changed. Depending on government to change people's attitudes is not a good thing. Has to come from the people themselves.

Not really:

From 1890 to 1908, southern states passed new constitutions and laws to disfranchise African Americans by creating barriers to voter registration; voting rolls were dramatically reduced as blacks were forced out of electoral politics. While progress was made in some areas, this status lasted in most southern states until national civil rights legislation was passed in the mid-1960s to provide federal enforcement of constitutional voting rights. For more than 60 years, blacks in the South were not able to elect anyone to represent their interests in Congress or local government.^[4] Since they could not vote, they could not serve on local juries.

During this period, the white-dominated Democratic Party maintained political control of the South. Because whites controlled all the seats representing the total population of the South, they had a powerful voting block in Congress. The Republican Party—the "party of Lincoln"—which had been the party that most blacks belonged to, shrank to insignificance as black voter registration was suppressed. Until 1965, the "solid South" was a one-party system under the Democrats. Outside a few areas (usually in remote Appalachia), the Democratic Party nomination was tantamount to election for state and local office.^[5] Most of the Republican Party organizations in the South were controlled by African Americans, and they were represented in the national conventions that nominated Republican presidential candidates. Booker T. Washington was a highly visible advisor to Republican presidents Theodore Roosevelt and William Howard Taft, especially on the matter of federal patronage jobs.^[6]

During the same time as African Americans were being disfranchised, white Democrats imposed racial segregation by law. Violence against blacks increased, with numerous lynchings through the turn of the century. The system of de jure state-sanctioned racial discrimination and oppression that emerged out of the post-Reconstruction South became known as the "Jim Crow" system. It remained virtually intact into the mid-1950s, when most states integrated their schools following the Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education. Thus, the early 20th century is a period often referred to as the "nadir of American race relations". While problems and civil rights violations were most intense in the South, social discrimination and tensions affected African Americans in other regions, as well.^[7] At the national level, the Southern bloc controlled important committees in Congress, defeated passage of laws against lynching, and exercised considerable power beyond the number of whites in the South.

Characteristics of the post-Reconstruction period:

• Racial segregation. By law,^[8] public facilities and government services such as education were divided into separate "white" and "colored" domains. Characteristically, those for colored were underfunded and of inferior quality.

• Disfranchisement. When white Democrats regained power, they passed laws that made voter registration more restrictive, essentially forcing black voters off the voting rolls. The number of African-American voters dropped dramatically, and they no longer were able to elect representatives. From 1890 to 1908, Southern states of the former Confederacy created constitutions with provisions that disfranchised tens of thousands of African Americans and states such as Alabama disfranchised poor whites as well.

• Exploitation. Increased economic oppression of blacks, Latinos, and Asians, denial of economic opportunities, and widespread employment discrimination.

• Violence. Individual, police, paramilitary, organizational, and mob racial violence against blacks (and Latinos in the Southwest and Asians in California).

African Americans and other racial minorities rejected this regime. They resisted it in numerous ways and sought better opportunities through lawsuits, new organizations, political redress, and labor organizing (see the African-American Civil Rights Movement (1896–1954)). The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) was founded in 1909. It fought to end race discrimination through litigation, education, and lobbying efforts. Its crowning achievement was its legal victory in the Supreme Court decision Brown v. Board of Education (1954); the Court rejected separate white and colored school systems and by implication overturned the "separate but equal" doctrine established in Plessy v. Ferguson (1898).

Black veterans of the military after both world wars pressed for full civil rights and often led activist movements. In 1948 they gained integration in the military under President Harry Truman, who issued an Executive Order to accomplish it. The situation for blacks outside the South was somewhat better (in most states they could vote and have their children educated, though they still faced de facto discrimination in housing and jobs). From 1910 to 1970, African Americans sought better lives by migrating north and west out of the South. A total of nearly seven million blacks left the South in what was known as the Great Migration. So many migrated that the demographics of some previously black-majority states changed to white majority (in combination with other developments).

Invigorated by the victory of Brown and frustrated by the lack of immediate practical effect, private citizens increasingly rejected gradualist, legalistic approaches as the primary tool to bring about desegregation. They were faced with "massive resistance" in the South by proponents of racial segregation and voter suppression. In defiance, African Americans adopted a combined strategy of direct action with nonviolent resistance known as civil disobedience, giving rise to the African-American Civil Rights Movement of 1955–68.

[mota bhai 2,675]

Oh please Marvin, what what you know about black people?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Oh please Marvin, what what you know about black people?

Just know what I see on TV.

[Karee 4,189]

Yeah, but what are you trying to say? Laws help the weak in court at least, if not in real life. Changing laws is an important first step.

Well first of all I'm saying that passing firearms legislation aint gonna do a damn thing. Not with 330+ million guns already in circulating in this country. See my previous example. Marijuana has been illegal for years, yet people still smoked it. There are speed limits, yet people still break them.

How about passing a law that if you get caught using a firearm in the commission of any felony, you get life in prison without the possibility of parole? Take a wild guess who would be against a law like that?

[Jacque67 7,328]

Well first of all I'm saying that passing firearms legislation aint gonna do a damn thing. Not with 330+ million guns already in circulating in this country. See my previous example. Marijuana has been illegal for years, yet people still smoked it. There are speed limits, yet people still break them.

How about passing a law that if you get caught using a firearm in the commission of any felony, you get life in prison without the possibility of parole? Take a wild guess who would be against a law like that?

Hey. Once all blacks in the Southern States were slaves, and women couldn't vote. In England Emily Pankhurst chained herself to street poles as well as starving herself. Maybe she suffered for ridiculuous reasons in the general public's eyes at that time. But guess what? Women now have the vote and blacks are no longer slaves in the States(in theory).

To reiterate , baby steps should not be dismissed.