Troopers can arrest illegal immigrants

[peejay 327]

Citizenshhip is not just defined by the 14th amendment but also by title 8 o fthe US Code

That is the current interpretation, but it can be changed the same way it was created. The intent of the lawmakers is often used to determine a law's application. The lawmakers did not intend for their amendment to provide relief for lawbreakers like that once deported woman holed up in a Chicago church who is using her young son to try to beat her second deportation order.

I argued this point before many months ago. I see these kids and their illegal alien parents all over Houston using the Lone Star Card (Food Stamp Debit Card) and living in Section 8 taxpayer subsidized housing through their US born kid. None speak any English and are culturally, linguistically, and mentally Mexican, Guatamalan, Salvadoran, etc. To believe that this is what our Founding Fathers intended to be a US citizen is absurd. This is nothing more than freeloaders gaming the system and crooked businesses getting government subsidized cheap below market labor. Most First World industrialized nations do not grant automatic birthright citizenship to foreigner's children and surely not to the children of illegal aliens. This is especially ill advised in a modern welfare state such as America.

Birthright citizenship for illegal aliens' children should be eliminated. It is nothing more than an illegal alien magnet and loophole.

Edited December 4, 2006 by peejay

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

So what are they gonna do after they detain them? Put them on a plane back home?

Here's an idea. How about the state troopers focus on actually combating crime? This is nonsense - trying to fix the illegal immigration problem by taking state troopers away from doing their job.

ah yes, we know - being an illegal alien isn't a crime in your book

So what are they gonna do after they detain them? Put them on a plane back home?

Here's an idea. How about the state troopers focus on actually combating crime? This is nonsense - trying to fix the illegal immigration problem by taking state troopers away from doing their job.

It's not supposed to take them away from their job since they won't be specifically "hunting" illegals, but I doubt that's how it will go down in practice.

Well, they still have to haul them to the downtown jail, file paperwork, etc. And all for what? I used to work in a restaurant where all the kitchen help were illegals. INS would make a sweep and our whole kitchen crew would be gone, leaving the restaurant in a terrible bind. Then, those illegals would be let go because INS doesn't have the resources to actually deport them, so they go off to another restaurant and the process starts all over again.

There are better solutions out there. This is a waste of resources, IMO.

it's rather interesting that on one hand, you complain about illegals being caught in this restaurant, yet on the other hand you complain about a low minimum wage.....

get rid of the illegals and then the restaurant is forced to pay people a living wage, because that's the only choice they have to hire, eh?

I'm simply pointing out that having state troopers detain the illegals does nothing to circumvent the problem and wastes the states resources.

If we want to 'fix' the problem it's goiing to take a real solution which entails many avenues. We as consumers who enjoy cheap products and services are partly to blame. Our trade agreements with both China and Mexico have to be revamped. We need to be realistic and offer those who have been here at length, legal amnesty with the condition that they apply for citizenship. Look into why so many businesses such as restaurants are hiring illegals - is it fear of discrimination or because they can't find other help?

There are no simple solutions...period.

no real solution eh? but giving law enforcement officials the capability to enforce the law surely won't work

[Jenn! 918]

It would be much a much more efficient use of police resources to raid places of employment instead of spending time on individuals. That would ensure that both sets of "criminals" are punished.

[pedroh 21]

where do u all get that living like an illegal is actually cool? or a bling-bling life? i certainly wouldn't like living like an illegal...

[Killer_Clown_2009 0]

The troopers may not even enforce it! Or it could be recinded, who knows. I can't imagine how racial profiling wouldn't be a potential issue with this one.

[eric&gen 0]

Too bad California doesnt have that kind of law coz Cali is over flooded with illegals. lol

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It would be much a much more efficient use of police resources to raid places of employment instead of spending time on individuals. That would ensure that both sets of "criminals" are punished.

Police deal with individuals every day. Now, if they arrest an individual that they discover to be illegal, they can follow the guidelines for them to be transfered to ICE jurisdiction from there. Denver is a "sanctuary city, although the officals will deny it. Mayor Hickenlooper had the distinction of employing an illegal in one of his restaurants who became a cop killer. Raul Gomez Garcia had not only had been arrested before and let go under the city's illegal amesty program (a program that doesn't apply to legals), he had more than one illegitimate child in more than one state who was on the taxpayer's dole. One night he shot and killed off-duty Denver Detective Donnie Young, and injured his partner, Jack Bishop, because they wouldn't allow him to crash a private party where they were acting as security.

Guess what he did after that? HE RAN BACK TO MEXICO! The manhunt for this guy made national news. Couldn't get him out of here before then, but he was willing to go after he kills someone. Why? Because the Mexican government protects Mexican fugitives. When he finally was extradited, it was under the agreement between the US and Mexico that he have a chance for parole and would not be sentenced to death if convicted for the murder and attempted murder of two Denver police officers. He got 80 years with the chance of parole, a sentence that fits within the criteria of the Mexican government.

Here is a roll call of other victims of illegal aliens.

Edited December 4, 2006 by szsz

[Killer_Clown_2009 0]

I don't get it.

What would be the difference between an American killed by an American and an American killed by an illegal alien?

There is really no distinction other than each belongs to a different group.

The SOLE purpose of that kind of list is to promote prejudice and hate.

Where is the list of Whites killed by Blacks?

And Straight people killed by Gay people?

Men killed by Women?

Rebublicans killed by Democrats?

May as well post all those links.

Edited December 4, 2006 by jane2005

[Jenn! 918]

It would be much a much more efficient use of police resources to raid places of employment instead of spending time on individuals. That would ensure that both sets of "criminals" are punished.

Police deal with individuals every day.

Umm, yes, of course. But if we knew that a whole bunch of individuals who had committed x crime could be found at y place, would the most efficient course of action be to just wait until we happened to pull these individuals over for other offenses? Why not go to y place and take care of the problem?

[GaryC 7]

In California, a state that actually IS swamped by illegals, the police have stated that they will not ask immigration status (though I believe they are allowed to) because they believe it is counter-productive for fighting crime -- someone is less likely to give evidence against gang members (which could be committed by an illegal or might not be) if they think they themselves might get in trouble. Thats what I've been reading anyway.

It's interesting to mention Ted Kennedy and suggest he might have a different opinion if the state was more swamped with illegals - I thought John McCain was also sponsoring the reform bill with him and his state unquestionably IS swamped with illegals. Arnold, governor of state swamped by illegals, has also stated he hasn't the money or the will to deport them (he put the figure at something like $40 million and thought it was low)

I mostly mention that idiot Teddy K because he had a major hand in that last joke perpetrated on the American people erroneously called the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. The bloviating he did on the Senate floor in 1986 was nauseating and his dire predictions of massive discrimination against Hispanics in the workplace has proven to be a sick joke.

Now...20 years later after amnestying 3+ million illegal aliens this idiot Teddy sponsors another plan to amnesty 12 - 20 million illegal aliens and more promises of future enforcement of the law. When will the American people realize that Teddy boy is clueless about what it takes to control illegal immigration or that he even knows what the hell he is talking about on this subject. Apparently there are still people that believe in Teddy and that amnestying illegal aliens is somehow a solution or a deterent. They are dead wrong and the proof is 1986. Why believe this clown again?

There is no need for massive roundups and deportations to rid us of illegal aliens. Retroactive mandatory employment verification and stiff employer sanctions for non-compliance is all that is necessary. No job...no illegal aliens. When they can't work and are prohibited from receiving government aid...they will go somewhere else. In most cases that would be back home.

As far as employers...of course their businesses will be impacted. They get what they deserve just like others enterprises that break the law to profit financially such as pimping, drug dealing, embezzling, fraud, tax evasion, etc.

After 20 years of lies and unkept promises from our government...shouldn't we try enforcing the laws first instead of giving away anymore amnesties to illegal aliens first?

There is no need for massive roundups and deportations to rid us of illegal aliens. Retroactive mandatory employment verification and stiff employer sanctions for non-compliance is all that is necessary. No job...no illegal aliens. When they can't work and are prohibited from receiving government aid...they will go somewhere else. In most cases that would be back home.

Absolutely! And don't forget to put a stop to the automatic entitlement to citizenship for children born to illegals in the US. If the parents are not here legally, the child will not be a US citizen at birth. It's just silly to grant citizenship to a child born to people that are here illegally.

Wow! There is some common ground for us! I agree 150% with both of you on this one! Mark it down folks!

[peejay 327]

I don't get it.

What would be the difference between an American killed by an American and an American killed by an illegal alien?

There is really no distinction other than each belongs to a different group.

The SOLE purpose of that kind of list is to promote prejudice and hate.

Yes...murder is murder no matter who commits it. But you are way off the mark on the rest of your statement. The jails of my home town of Houston and SZSZ's in Denver are full of illegal alien criminals...many of them murders and violent offenders. These people have no right to be in America and have illegally entered our country. They should not be here and if they were not here...their criminal activities would not be committed in our communities.

The fact is that our government is derelict in its duty to protect the American people from these illegal aliens. And when cities such as Houston and Denver have sanctuary policies prohibiting police from inquiring whether criminals are illegal aliens and contacting ICE...that is an outrage. These illegal alien criminals are just released from jail on bail or after serving their sentences as if they are legal residents. They need to be deported across the other side of a secure border.

It took the recent murder of a Houston police officer by a deported criminal illegal alien that reintered the USA illegally again to force the mayor to allow police to detain arrested criminal illegal aliens for disposition by ICE. > http://capitolhillcoffeehouse.com/more.php?id=1372_0_1_0_M

Naturally the Hispanic community is outraged at any attempt to enforce illegal immigration laws or to prohibit this ridiculous sanctuary policy for illegal aliens. They staged their usual protests and spewed their usual hate filled diatribes accusing everyone else of racism. You rarely see any white, black, or oriental faces in the ranks of their protests. I wonder why?

I guess illegal immigration and criminal activity is OK and should be excused as long as your particular ethnic group is the offender? The problem is obvious and so is the solution.

Apparently Jane, you don't live in a city like mine that has a 10%+ illegal alien population (and growing daily). That is outrageous and should not have been allowed to happen.

[Caladan 19]

Birthright citizenship for illegal aliens' children should be eliminated. It is nothing more than an illegal alien magnet and loophole.

Going to have to amend the Constitution to do that. And come up with a new version that isn't easily exploitable or becomes an easy way to disenfranchise those the government doesn't like. To me it seems to open up the way to more problems. (Muslim family in a fundamentalist Christian area? Legal immigrant family in an area where people think anyone with an accent is a terrorist? Interracial couple?) Plus, blut in the boden laws never go well, and are sort of hypocritical in a nation composed of immigrants.

On the original topic, the hardest problem I can see is probable cause. American citizens aren't required to carry identification. So how does a cop decide to arrest someone for being illegal (as opposed to arresting them for another crime, and pursuing the immigration violation then) that doesn't involve ignoring the fourth amendment? I can't see an easy test that doesn't amount to 'driving while having brown skin', which sweeps up too many legal immigrants and citizens.

[GaryC 7]

Birthright citizenship for illegal aliens' children should be eliminated. It is nothing more than an illegal alien magnet and loophole.

Going to have to amend the Constitution to do that. And come up with a new version that isn't easily exploitable or becomes an easy way to disenfranchise those the government doesn't like. To me it seems to open up the way to more problems. (Muslim family in a fundamentalist Christian area? Legal immigrant family in an area where people think anyone with an accent is a terrorist? Interracial couple?) Plus, blut in the boden laws never go well, and are sort of hypocritical in a nation composed of immigrants.

On the original topic, the hardest problem I can see is probable cause. American citizens aren't required to carry identification. So how does a cop decide to arrest someone for being illegal (as opposed to arresting them for another crime, and pursuing the immigration violation then) that doesn't involve ignoring the fourth amendment? I can't see an easy test that doesn't amount to 'driving while having brown skin', which sweeps up too many legal immigrants and citizens.

God I hate to say this but I don't see any other way to do it. Maybe a (gasp!) US ID card is in order. Citizens and LPR's would (I can't believe I am saying this) be required to carry it. I really hate the whole idea but it seems we are being forced into it. Anyone else have a different way short of just letting people stay illegally without any way to sort out the legal from the illegal?

[Caladan 19]

I really don't like the idea of the ID card. A) too much chance for incompetence for a government that brought us IMBRA B) ID cards can be faked too, much like SSNs and other documentation, so I don't see it doing much to address the real problem (instead of 'driving while brown' it'll be 'driving while brown and maybe his ID is fake') and C) it strikes me as deeply un-American. If the government wants to know what I'm up to, they can damn well get a warrant, and if they can't manage that, then they can f&ck off, basically.

I'm not sure what to do, except revise the trade laws with Mexico to reduce the incentive to emigrate from there. We don't have milliions of Canadians streaming over the border, and it doesn't have anything to do with fences or papers or vigilantes with six-shooters; there's just not as strong of an economic incentive.

[GaryC 7]

I really don't like the idea of the ID card. A) too much chance for incompetence for a government that brought us IMBRA B) ID cards can be faked too, much like SSNs and other documentation, so I don't see it doing much to address the real problem (instead of 'driving while brown' it'll be 'driving while brown and maybe his ID is fake') and C) it strikes me as deeply un-American. If the government wants to know what I'm up to, they can damn well get a warrant, and if they can't manage that, then they can f&ck off, basically.

I'm not sure what to do, except revise the trade laws with Mexico to reduce the incentive to emigrate from there. We don't have milliions of Canadians streaming over the border, and it doesn't have anything to do with fences or papers or vigilantes with six-shooters; there's just not as strong of an economic incentive.

I truely hate the idea of an ID card also. With biometrics imbedded on the card and a national database to hook it up to it can be done. But that is SO 1984! I can't stand the very idea of it. I think the only way to solve this problem is to just enforce the laws we have. Do the perp walk to any employer found knowingly hiring illegals and secure the border. It's really the only way to fix this mess.