Obamacare creates jobs, reduces unemployment!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lauraheller/2013/06/14/obamacare-is-turning-walmart-workers-into-temps/?partner=yahootix

More and more employers are cutting full time positions and replacing them with part time postitions to eliminate the need to provide healthcare under the Obama "affordable care act"

Of course the full time workers have to be repaced with TWO part time workers...reducing unemployment!

YAY! This is what happens when Senator Chambliss is in charge of Healthcare!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Well, that ends the debate on whether or not Walmart deliberately dumps its employees onto the taxpayer funded support systems. They clearly do that. The intersting part of the article, however, is this - Gary hasn't read it since it is past the first sentence.

But it very well could backfire.

I don’t cover healthcare, but I know retail. Benefits and pay are moving targets and payroll gets manipulated depending on the weather (as weather actually impacts sales). In 2005, Walmart was pressured to provide health benefits to part-time workers and its closest competitor Target quickly followed suit.

In December, after backing Obamacare, Walmart announced it would no longer insure part time workers (Target still does). Since then, its part-time ranks have swelled, according to reports.

But so too have complaints about understaffed stores with empty shelves and inventory piling up in warehouses and back rooms. It seems even Walmart can’t operate on such a lean staff. Dirty stores, parking lots in disarray and out-of stocks don’t bode well for sales and stores can’t operate that way for long periods.

Walmart doesn’t easily give in to pressure, but it does give in to market forces. A direct hit to its top line could change this policy.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Well, that ends the debate on whether or not Walmart deliberately dumps its employees onto the taxpayer funded support systems. They clearly do that. The intersting part of the article, however, is this - Gary hasn't read it since it is past the first sentence.

Smaller companies will exploit illegal aliens. Walmart is following the law. If you do not like the law (I don't) then change it.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Smaller companies will exploit illegal aliens. Walmart is following the law. If you do not like the law (I don't) then change it.

Bullchit. You really can't read, can you? Walmart has been shifting the full time / part time ratio of it's workforce away from full time staff for years now after discontinuing offering benefits to part time staff. This trend started in pre-Obamacare mandates. It's pure greed that's causing Walmart to stiff employees. That's been happening for way longer than Obamacare was even on the table.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lauraheller/2013/06/14/obamacare-is-turning-walmart-workers-into-temps/?partner=yahootix

More and more employers are cutting full time positions and replacing them with part time postitions to eliminate the need to provide healthcare under the Obama "affordable care act"

Of course the full time workers have to be repaced with TWO part time workers...reducing unemployment!

YAY! This is what happens when Senator Chambliss is in charge of Healthcare!

Yup. There is a glut of part time and temp work out there.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lauraheller/2013/06/14/obamacare-is-turning-walmart-workers-into-temps/?partner=yahootix

More and more employers are cutting full time positions and replacing them with part time positions to eliminate the need to provide healthcare under the Obama "affordable care act"

Of course the full time workers have to be replaced with TWO part time workers...reducing unemployment!

YAY! This is what happens when Senator Chambliss is in charge of Healthcare!

As much as I hate to say it, this is an example of why we need to take health insurance (or at least paying for it) out of the hands of private industry.. There will never be a valid moral argument that allows for letting someone be sick and uncared for because they made the choice not to buy (or were unable to afford) insurance.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

As much as I hate to say it, this is an example of why we need to take health insurance (or at least paying for it) out of the hands of private industry.. There will never be a valid moral argument that allows for letting someone be sick and uncared for because they made the choice not to buy (or were unable to afford) insurance.

I disagree. If you had the means to get insurance and did not, you should not be my burden. Life is hard.Support bad decisions without consequences just breeds more bad decisions

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

As much as I hate to say it, this is an example of why we need to take health insurance (or at least paying for it) out of the hands of private industry.. There will never be a valid moral argument that allows for letting someone be sick and uncared for because they made the choice not to buy (or were unable to afford) insurance.

Yes, health insurance should be decoupled from employment altogether. Have employers - all employers - pay a percentage of their payroll into the fund that helps pay for coverage for everyone. Then it won't matter whether you hire full time or part time staff. You're on the hook for health insurance coverage one way or the other.

I disagree. If you had the means to get insurance and did not, you should not be my burden. Life is hard.Support bad decisions without consequences just breeds more bad decisions

So you're one of the guys that cheered the idea that we leave a dying person at the side of the road if that person happens to be unable to afford to have his live saved?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Yes, health insurance should be decoupled from employment altogether. Have employers - all employers - pay a percentage of their payroll into the fund that helps pay for coverage for everyone. Then it won't matter whether you hire full time or part time staff. You're on the hook for health insurance coverage one way or the other.

So you're one of the guys that cheered the idea that we leave a dying person at the side of the road if that person happens to be unable to afford to have his live saved?

Not what i said reading comprehension Police.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Not what i said reading comprehension Police.

So what are the consequences of not ensuring the ability to pay for required medical services then?

[BaBamSam 239]

I disagree. If you had the means to get insurance and did not, you should not be my burden. Life is hard.Support bad decisions without consequences just breeds more bad decisions

What would you propose for the numerous citizens who do not have the means for insurance then?

[RGinWA 816]

I disagree. If you had the means to get insurance and did not, you should not be my burden. Life is hard.Support bad decisions without consequences just breeds more bad decisions

Yeah, just let them die if they don't have money for healthcare. Wasn't that the opinion in the dark ages? For some they'd love to return to a world like in the apocalyptic "Mad Max".

You could have health insurance and still get hit with an astronomical medical bill. Many file bankruptcy for this very reason. You shouldn't lose everything because of an illness or accident. That's just wrong in a first world nation.

There is always this straw-man that has loads of disposable cash, doesn't get healthcare and then ends up in the emergency room with no insurance. Believe me, it's not free, they go after you.

Most people working at s#itty low paying jobs aren't offered health care nor do they have the means to purchase health care. And the argument always is "they should get a better job". It's always easier said than done.

Conservatives live in the strange world where they actually have a mental picture of the people that they hate, an image of a person living off society...instead of a million and one different situations and each one being unique. It's always so cut and dry in their minds...when life rarely is.

I'd hate to be that full of disdain for your fellow man, but hey...whatever floats your boat.

[BaBamSam 239]

Yeah, just let them die if they don't have money for healthcare. Wasn't that the opinion in the dark ages? For some they'd love to return to a world like in the apocalyptic "Mad Max".

You could have health insurance and still get hit with an astronomical medical bill. Many file bankruptcy for this very reason. You shouldn't lose everything because of an illness or accident. That's just wrong in a first world nation.

There is always this straw-man that has loads of disposable cash, doesn't get healthcare and then ends up in the emergency room with no insurance. Believe me, it's not free, they go after you.

Most people working at s#itty low paying jobs aren't offered health care nor do they have the means to purchase health care. And the argument always is "they should get a better job". It's always easier said than done.

Conservatives live in the strange world where they actually have a mental picture of the people that they hate, an image of a person living off society...instead of a million and one different situations and each one being unique. It's always so cut and dry in their minds...when life rarely is.

I'd hate to be that full of disdain for your fellow man, but hey...whatever floats your boat.

This comment.

"They should get a better job" just makes me roll my eyes every time - as if it's that easy, especially in the current economy. But, hey, when you have a secure and nice job it's easy to forget how to empathize with those who are less fortunate or less able than you.

I would hate to be someone who goes through life so selfish and afraid that other people are just out to take advantage of them and their hard earned m0nies. I would hate to be someone who can so quickly forget that the "other people" they look down on and dislike are actually their fellow humans on a shared Earth.

But, as you said, whatever floats their boat.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Yeah, just let them die if they don't have money for healthcare. Wasn't that the opinion in the dark ages? For some they'd love to return to a world like in the apocalyptic "Mad Max".

You could have health insurance and still get hit with an astronomical medical bill. Many file bankruptcy for this very reason. You shouldn't lose everything because of an illness or accident. That's just wrong in a first world nation.

There is always this straw-man that has loads of disposable cash, doesn't get healthcare and then ends up in the emergency room with no insurance. Believe me, it's not free, they go after you.

Most people working at s#itty low paying jobs aren't offered health care nor do they have the means to purchase health care. And the argument always is "they should get a better job". It's always easier said than done.

Conservatives live in the strange world where they actually have a mental picture of the people that they hate, an image of a person living off society...instead of a million and one different situations and each one being unique. It's always so cut and dry in their minds...when life rarely is.

I'd hate to be that full of disdain for your fellow man, but hey...whatever floats your boat.

Read what I said-----"If you had the means to get insurance and did not, you should not be my burden. Life is hard.Support bad decisions without consequences just breeds more bad decisions""

[VanessaTony 3,567]

People who can't afford insurance are still getting medical treatment. Granted they're not seeing a regular physician but if they need to see a doc, they do. If they can't afford it the hospital sues them, then their wages get garnished, liens put on their houses etc. If that doesn't work they file bankruptcy. I see it every day. I've seen people actually walk out on their jobs so that they don't earn enough to be garnished and instead can live on medicaid and work under the table.

The whole system is nuts.