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As you all are already aware, our case received an RFE on 4-23-13.

The RFE says there is an omitted item on question 3 in part C:

"If you have privded information about a conviction for a crime listed above and you were being battered or subjected to extreme cruelty by your spouse, parent, or adult child at the time of your conviction, check all of the following that apply to you:

___ I was acting in self-defense.

___ I violated a protection order issued for my own protection.

___ I committed, was arrested for, was convicted of, or plead guilty to committing a crime that did not result in serious bodily injury, and there was a connection between the crime committed and my having been battered or subjected to extreme cruelty."

Obviously, none of these apply to me, and they only had boxes available to check in.

I did not check any of the boxes. The RFE was that I should have written N/A even though it wasn't an option and there was no space to write it!

Sent it back today with N/A just written after the question. Hopefully it will be resolved soon!

Thanks everybody for your help!


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"If you have privded information about a conviction for a crime listed above and you were being battered or subjected to extreme cruelty by your spouse, parent, or adult child at the time of your conviction, check all of the following that apply to you:

Apparently they do not know the meaning of IF. If you have provided information about a conviction above ie. checking yes in question 2 then why would you even look at there since it says IF.

Yeah you have every reason to be pissed... and I will be if i get the same RFE, cause I sure as hell didn't put NA next those. I love how on their form it's a check box, but apparently you should print it then write n/a there... wow are you $%#@$#@$ kidding me

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Petition Mailed: 11/02/2012

NOA1: 11/07/2012

NOA2: 05/09/2013

NOA2 Hard Copy: 05/14/2013

NVC Receive: 05/15/2013

NVC Left: 05/17/2013

Consulate Received: 05/22/2013 per DHL

Consulate Received: 06/07/2013 per DOS

Packet 3 Received: 06/13/2013

Packet 3 Sent: 06/14/2013

Medical Complete: 06/17/2013

Packet 3 RFE Email: 06/18/2013 (Passport picture background too dark :/ come on!)

Packet 3 RFE Response: 06/22/2013 (Replacement passport pictures)

Interview Date: 07/23/2013: Approved

Visa Received: 07/27/2013

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Sorry to hear. We left this question blank (since obviously my fiancé did not have a criminal background) and did not get an RFE. You must have had a super-strict adjudicator. At least it is something easy to fix. Good luck! :)


K1 Visa
Feb. 29, 2012: I-129F sent
March 8, 2012: NOA1 (VSC)
August 30, 2012: NOA2
Oct. 1, 2012: Packet 3 received
Nov. 3, 2012: Packet 4 received
Nov. 15, 2012: Interview - approved!
Jan. 18, 2013: POE New York Seaport
Feb. 2, 2013: Wedding

AOS
March 6, 2013: AOS Package sent
March 12, 2013: I-485, I-765, I-131 NOA's
March 29, 2013: Biometrics Appointment

May 10, 2013: EAD/AP approved
Sept. 5, 2013: "Potential Interview Waiver Case" letter received
Nov. 2, 2013: AOS approved (no interview)

ROC
Aug. 4, 2015: I-751 sent
Aug. 6, 2015: NOA1 (CSC)
Sept. 4, 2015: Biometrics Appointment
Feb. 10, 2016: ROC approved

 

Dual Citizenship
Aug. 26, 2016: BBG application sent (permit to retain German citizenship)
Nov. 21, 2016: BBG approval notice received (p/u at German Honorary Consulate, OKC: Feb. 6, 2017)
Dec. 8, 2016: N-400 sent
Dec. 12, 2016: Priority Date (NBC)

Jan. 9, 2017: Biometrics Appointment

Aug. 31, 2017: In-Line for Interview

Sept. 6, 2017: Interview Scheduled

Oct. 16, 2017: Interview

Oct. 25, 2017: Oath Appointment Letter received

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We got the same. I cannot believe this was the reason.


Our K-1 journey * I am the beneficiary *

08/03/2012 sent I-129F

06/27/2013 Interview at Frankfurt Consulate = Approved.

08/09/2013 Wedding!

AOS

09/03/2013 Sent AOS + EAD + AP

12/30/2013 PR card in hand.

ROC

09/29/2015 Sent I-751

10/30/15 Biometrics

05/19/16 Approved

N-400

10/04/2016 Send Package

10/15/2016 NOA

11/04/2016 Biometrics

02/01/2017 Interview

02/23/2017 Oath!

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I agree. That is one dumb RFE!

...and what's crazy is I thought long and hard about that question because of all the NONEs and N/As talked about on these forums. I made sure I answered questions with either of those instead of leaving them blank...even putting parentheses around NONE in the field for my fiancée's middle name, just to make sure they don't think her middle name is None lol.

Then I get to this question, and I thought "No way they ding me for this. I answered NO on the previous question". I guess I may be wrong!

I'm sorry to hear about your RFE, but if I get an RFE, I hope it would be as easy as yours haha

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That is absolutely CRAZY. Could I just clarify, are you saying that you answered "no" to question number 2? And then of course you didn't check anything for question 3 (since you had just answered NO and the #3 question is only IF YOU ANSWERED YES)?

That adjudicating officer should be ashamed. There is absolutely no reason OR SPACE to put anything in question 3, if you answered no to question 2!

I also did not check any box in 3, having answered no to 2. I wonder whether we'll get an RFE as well! But I can't believe anyone would think to write in N/A since there is no space available to do so! wow.gif


Relationship since April 2006

K-1 Visa: I-129F filed November 6, 2012, NOA2 May 17, 2013, Interview and Approval July 24, 2013

POE San Diego, September 13, 2013, Wedding October 25, 2013

AOS filed November 19, 2013, EAD/AP received January 30, 2014, interview and AOS Approval on February 27, 2014.

ROC filed December 3, 2015, NOA1 12/4/15, Biometrics 12/31/15, ROC Approval on June 16, 2016, 10-Year Green Card received June 22, 2016.

No RFE at any stage, thanks to VisaJourney!

Detailed Timeline Below!

Relationship:
2006 April 01: Met online, music site
2007 February 20: Met in person, Finland
2007 - 2012 met several times in Finland and California

K-1 Visa:
2012 November 06: Sent I-129F (NOA1 on 11/9/2012)
2013 May 14: Contacted Congressman
2013 May 17: I-129F NOA2 Approved
2013 June 03: NVC Received (NVC left 6/6/13)
2013 June 10: Consulate Received
2013 June 13: Medical
2013 June 25: Sent Packet 3/4
2013 July 24: Interview in Helsinki
2013 July 27: Visa Received
2013 September 13: POE to USA, San Diego

AOS:
2013 October 22: SSN Received
2013 October 25: Wedding, San Marcos, CA
2013 November 19: AOS, AP, EAD sent (NOA 1 on 11/22/13)
2013 December 17: Biometrics, San Marcos, CA
2013 December 24: Online status changed to Testing/Interview

2014 January 23: Interview notice mailed (for 2/27)

2014 January 24: EAD card production, AP approval (card received 1/30/2014)

2014 February 27: Interview and Approval, GC in production (card received March 6, 2014)

ROC:

2015 December 03: mailed I-751 package

2015 December 04: NOA1 extension letter

2015 December 31: Biometrics appointment

2016 June 16: Approval - Online status changed to Document Production, mailed 6/20/16

2016 June 22: 10-Year Green Card Received, done with USCIS for a while!

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" you were being battered or subjected to extreme cruelty"

I was never subjected to extreme cruelty!

It says check any boxes that apply. NONE OF THE BOXES APPLIED.

THEREFORE, i DID NOT check any of them lol.

In the instructions, it doesnt say write N/A, nor does it provide a space to do so!

How is anyone supposed to know?!!!!!


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Really sorry for your RFE, truly! It sounds like you should not need to check anything at all!

But I'm still trying to understand -- you did answer yes to #2 then? Because #3 is entirely dependent upon #2, from my reading ...?

I'm not saying you did anything wrong! I probably would have done (or maybe I did!) do the same as you! But if you did answer yes to #2 then I can at least see where N/A comes in, at least a little bit ... if you answered no to #2 then it wouldn't make any sense at all for RFE! So was #2 yes or no?


Relationship since April 2006

K-1 Visa: I-129F filed November 6, 2012, NOA2 May 17, 2013, Interview and Approval July 24, 2013

POE San Diego, September 13, 2013, Wedding October 25, 2013

AOS filed November 19, 2013, EAD/AP received January 30, 2014, interview and AOS Approval on February 27, 2014.

ROC filed December 3, 2015, NOA1 12/4/15, Biometrics 12/31/15, ROC Approval on June 16, 2016, 10-Year Green Card received June 22, 2016.

No RFE at any stage, thanks to VisaJourney!

Detailed Timeline Below!

Relationship:
2006 April 01: Met online, music site
2007 February 20: Met in person, Finland
2007 - 2012 met several times in Finland and California

K-1 Visa:
2012 November 06: Sent I-129F (NOA1 on 11/9/2012)
2013 May 14: Contacted Congressman
2013 May 17: I-129F NOA2 Approved
2013 June 03: NVC Received (NVC left 6/6/13)
2013 June 10: Consulate Received
2013 June 13: Medical
2013 June 25: Sent Packet 3/4
2013 July 24: Interview in Helsinki
2013 July 27: Visa Received
2013 September 13: POE to USA, San Diego

AOS:
2013 October 22: SSN Received
2013 October 25: Wedding, San Marcos, CA
2013 November 19: AOS, AP, EAD sent (NOA 1 on 11/22/13)
2013 December 17: Biometrics, San Marcos, CA
2013 December 24: Online status changed to Testing/Interview

2014 January 23: Interview notice mailed (for 2/27)

2014 January 24: EAD card production, AP approval (card received 1/30/2014)

2014 February 27: Interview and Approval, GC in production (card received March 6, 2014)

ROC:

2015 December 03: mailed I-751 package

2015 December 04: NOA1 extension letter

2015 December 31: Biometrics appointment

2016 June 16: Approval - Online status changed to Document Production, mailed 6/20/16

2016 June 22: 10-Year Green Card Received, done with USCIS for a while!

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Really sorry for your RFE, truly! It sounds like you should not need to check anything at all!

But I'm still trying to understand -- you did answer yes to #2 then? Because #3 is entirely dependent upon #2, from my reading ...?

I'm not saying you did anything wrong! I probably would have done (or maybe I did!) do the same as you! But if you did answer yes to #2 then I can at least see where N/A comes in, at least a little bit ... if you answered no to #2 then it wouldn't make any sense at all for RFE! So was #2 yes or no?

Yes, I have been convicted of a crime related to theft with a former girlfriend, because we had possession of each others items. There was not any theft. Since it involved a girlfriend, it automatically becomes a domestic violence offence.

Regardless, question 3 is totally irrelevant to the situation, as neither of us suffered extreme cruelty or torture lol


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Ok, yes, I agree ... none of the questions apply to you and there is no room to put N/A and I think the adjudicating officer was just being WAY too picky! I am so sorry you have to go through the RFE process. :(

But it does ease my mind because a bunch of others in this thread (including me) answered no to #2 and were starting to think we'd get RFEs too. Not that it's any better for you, but maybe we can calm down a little!

My sympathies and best of luck on getting a speedy approval!


Relationship since April 2006

K-1 Visa: I-129F filed November 6, 2012, NOA2 May 17, 2013, Interview and Approval July 24, 2013

POE San Diego, September 13, 2013, Wedding October 25, 2013

AOS filed November 19, 2013, EAD/AP received January 30, 2014, interview and AOS Approval on February 27, 2014.

ROC filed December 3, 2015, NOA1 12/4/15, Biometrics 12/31/15, ROC Approval on June 16, 2016, 10-Year Green Card received June 22, 2016.

No RFE at any stage, thanks to VisaJourney!

Detailed Timeline Below!

Relationship:
2006 April 01: Met online, music site
2007 February 20: Met in person, Finland
2007 - 2012 met several times in Finland and California

K-1 Visa:
2012 November 06: Sent I-129F (NOA1 on 11/9/2012)
2013 May 14: Contacted Congressman
2013 May 17: I-129F NOA2 Approved
2013 June 03: NVC Received (NVC left 6/6/13)
2013 June 10: Consulate Received
2013 June 13: Medical
2013 June 25: Sent Packet 3/4
2013 July 24: Interview in Helsinki
2013 July 27: Visa Received
2013 September 13: POE to USA, San Diego

AOS:
2013 October 22: SSN Received
2013 October 25: Wedding, San Marcos, CA
2013 November 19: AOS, AP, EAD sent (NOA 1 on 11/22/13)
2013 December 17: Biometrics, San Marcos, CA
2013 December 24: Online status changed to Testing/Interview

2014 January 23: Interview notice mailed (for 2/27)

2014 January 24: EAD card production, AP approval (card received 1/30/2014)

2014 February 27: Interview and Approval, GC in production (card received March 6, 2014)

ROC:

2015 December 03: mailed I-751 package

2015 December 04: NOA1 extension letter

2015 December 31: Biometrics appointment

2016 June 16: Approval - Online status changed to Document Production, mailed 6/20/16

2016 June 22: 10-Year Green Card Received, done with USCIS for a while!

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Ok, yes, I agree ... none of the questions apply to you and there is no room to put N/A and I think the adjudicating officer was just being WAY too picky! I am so sorry you have to go through the RFE process. sad.png

But it does ease my mind because a bunch of others in this thread (including me) answered no to #2 and were starting to think we'd get RFEs too. Not that it's any better for you, but maybe we can calm down a little!

My sympathies and best of luck on getting a speedy approval!

Thanks!

Do you think it's possible to get 2 RFEs?


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my question is: After I corrected and sent this back, can they give additional RFEs? Or is there only the possibility for one?

i think it is just about what they'd need if they didnt specify you to provide anything else. I'm sorry for your frustration. i would be pissed too.

Hopefully, that is the end of your long wait and you'd get approved shortly after this.

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There is no limit to the number of RFE's.


“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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