221 g- Recommended for Revocation

[ashu 1]

Hello. My wife had interview 1st week of April at Islamabad consulate. I attended the interview with her. Although it was my wife's interview, the CO started interviewing me. I am a Permanent Resident. we have two kids and I thought there should not be any problem. I was previously married to a US citizen. The marriage took place in Pakistan so the marriage certificate (Nikkah Nama) was issued by local authorities here. I processed divorce in Pakistan as well and that Divorce decree issued by the local union council was accepted by USCIS and NVC to approve petition for my wife. But CO said I should have obtained a divorce in US and that this divorce from Pakistan is null and void. I told her that USCIS itself has asked me during the review to obtain a divorce from Union Council but she would not listen and said the she is sending the case back to USCIS for revocation on the grounds that your previous marriage was never ended and that you can not petition for your second wife. That is absurd. The State Dept immigration website itself mentions that marraige/divorce issued by foreign governments is acceptable in US. Please guide? Can I talk to an attorney who can ask the consulate to review it again or it is now final that the CO will send it back to USCIS? I heard that it may take months for them to send it back to USCIS.

Thanks,

ashu

[EAbbas 213]

There are a lot of ppl who ask USCIS advice... from what ive seen you can't count onthat advice being correct. you should have asked a good immigration attorney.

Sounds like you should have filed for divorce here in the states waited for the divorce decree then gone to pakistan to also finalize it there too with the Union council before starting the process for your second wife.

how long ago was the divorce and obviously your first wife is aware that you obtained a divorce from her in pakistan?

You should contact your congressman/senator and if you want you can choose an attorney but the point is be quick and have them do what they can to keep it there.

But you can't count on them not returning it quickly either. Sometimes they sit on it a while and actually do review it before sending it back and sometimes they return it quickly... so quick in fact that its gone by the time the senator makes and inquiry. So be fast about it if you can.

Edited April 9, 2012 by EAbbas

[Penguin_ie 5,986]

I am thinking the issue is two fold:

- you obtained your greencard through marriage to a USC, then turn around and sponsor a new wife. How long were you married to the USC? How quickly after the divorce did you start a relationship with now-wife, and how quickly did you marry? Did you know your now-wife before you came to the USA/ married your ex?

- Most places only allow divorce if you are officially resident there. If you resided in Pakistan to get the divorce, you gave up residency- and thus the greencard- in the USA.

[ashu 1]

Thanks EAbbas. I am in Pakistan but seems like I have to fly back this week to meet our senator. I will talk to attorney from here. Do you have experience of any good attorney? The divorce was in July 2008 and I married immediately after because I did not have much time left. Divorce was mutual and obviously she knew. I am not sure if we (ex and me) can take the Pakistani divorce and the local courthouse where ex-wife lives can endorse it?

Thanks Penguin. These are valuable points. we were married for 4 and half years and I have read that you can get a divorce abroad so I hope that does not affect my residency. I had a full time job and paid good taxes.

[EAbbas 213]

Thanks EAbbas. I am in Pakistan but seems like I have to fly back this week to meet our senator. I will talk to attorney from here. Do you have experience of any good attorney? The divorce was in July 2008 and I married immediately after because I did not have much time left. Divorce was mutual and obviously she knew. I am not sure if we (ex and me) can take the Pakistani divorce and the local courthouse where ex-wife lives can endorse it?

Thanks Penguin. These are valuable points. we were married for 4 and half years and I have read that you can get a divorce abroad so I hope that does not affect my residency. I had a full time job and paid good taxes.

by divorcing your USC wife abroad and remarrying immediately after makes it look very questionable to say the least. (since it is obvious you must have known her for some time before marrying her and that would make it look as tho she was part of your life before your divorce to the USC and to the CO this is a huge red flag)

No I have no good attorney advice but I'm sure there are others who might. Just be sure whoever you get deals with immigration and not other areas of law.

At this time it seems that all you can do is try to gain a divorce decree from the US if the CO won't accept your Union Council divorce.

[together4evr 360]

How long have you known the 2nd wife?

Was it an arranged marriage?

How long have you been married now?

You said you have 2 kids?

How long have you been divorced?

Were you talking to this wife when you were still married to first wife? I think yes and this might be an issue.

You said you were married 4.5 years to first wife. Was she an american born woman? Did you meet her online or were you already her on a student visa?

How long were you separated before you started speaking to a woman from your country?

[ashu 1]

by divorcing your USC wife abroad and remarrying immediately after makes it look very questionable to say the least. (since it is obvious you must have known her for some time before marrying her and that would make it look as tho she was part of your life before your divorce to the USC and to the CO this is a huge red flag)

No I have no good attorney advice but I'm sure there are others who might. Just be sure whoever you get deals with immigration and not other areas of law.

At this time it seems that all you can do is try to gain a divorce decree from the US if the CO won't accept your Union Council divorce.

Thanks EAbbas. Its not that I knew my current wife and talking to her while I was already married. The family is, like other families in rural areas are known to us for decades. The reason of remarrying immediately was so that I can settle down somewhere. AP process for 4 years took toll and I was so upset when I moved to US and there was not much help as what I need to do. That is why you see all these stupid actions that I took and which did not even know until last week that they may be looked at questionable. It was all done in good faith and to my best judgement. I wish i knew more.

[Penguin_ie 5,986]

So you were married to the USC for 4.5 years, but actually divorced pretty much as soon as you got the greencard, then re-married immediately to someone you and your family has known for a long time? Those are the classic signs of immigration fraud. I am not saying you committed fraud, but it is very suspicious and they will likely look closely at your first marriage/ your greencard now to.

Lawyer time, definitely.

[EAbbas 213]

I concur with penguin....... get a good lawyer...one that specializes in these cases

[together4evr 360]

Your American wife fought hard for you to be with her for 4 years?

And you decided it took its toll on you but you came to usa to "Be with her"

This has fraud written all over it. If I was the CO I would revoke it also.

How long did you live with the american wife in the USA before this toll forced you to divorce her

and she petitioned for you, paid alot of money because she belived in you.

And it took 3 longs months to get over her and this divorce before you married a woman who has known your family for years

How old are your children?

It sounds arranged

It sounds that you are a bad man

It sounds like you had planned this all along

It sounds like you should make a life with your arranged love in another country

It sounds like you found a good strong american woman with some money to get you to usa so you used her for immigration purposes and married your arranged wife as quick as you could.

If she fought to bring you here for 4 years and then you just up and left her.... you are a cruel user. You could have tried harder if you loved her. But you had to marry someone else your family chose so you had to dump this american who sacrificed and suffered for you and fought hard to bring a Pakistan guy to USA. Pakistan men have to be in AP a long time because there are a few bad seeds that show their true colors when coming here.

I wish embassy could have seen the TOLL this was taking on you and should have had you stay in Pakistan so you would not be burdened with the toll of divorce and relocating to the USA. I hope during citizenship they feel the same. I hope you are your wife have a beautiful life....... back in Pakistan

You forgot to answer some questions

How long have you known the 2nd wife?

Was it an arranged marriage?

How long have you been married now?

You said you have 2 kids?

How long have you been divorced?

Were you talking to this wife when you were still married to first wife? I think yes and this might be an issue.

You said you were married 4.5 years to first wife. Was she an american born woman? Did you meet her online or were you already her on a student visa?

How long were you separated before you started speaking to a woman from your country?

[Calicolom 265]

Another Con, just to get to the U.S.

[NY_BX 397]

Your American wife fought hard for you to be with her for 4 years?

And you decided it took its toll on you but you came to usa to "Be with her"

This has fraud written all over it. If I was the CO I would revoke it also.

How long did you live with the american wife in the USA before this toll forced you to divorce her

and she petitioned for you, paid alot of money because she belived in you.

And it took 3 longs months to get over her and this divorce before you married a woman who has known your family for years

How old are your children?

It sounds arranged

It sounds that you are a bad man

It sounds like you had planned this all along

It sounds like you should make a life with your arranged love in another country

It sounds like you found a good strong american woman with some money to get you to usa so you used her for immigration purposes and married your arranged wife as quick as you could.

If she fought to bring you here for 4 years and then you just up and left her.... you are a cruel user. You could have tried harder if you loved her. But you had to marry someone else your family chose so you had to dump this american who sacrificed and suffered for you and fought hard to bring a Pakistan guy to USA. Pakistan men have to be in AP a long time because there are a few bad seeds that show their true colors when coming here.

I wish embassy could have seen the TOLL this was taking on you and should have had you stay in Pakistan so you would not be burdened with the toll of divorce and relocating to the USA. I hope during citizenship they feel the same. I hope you are your wife have a beautiful life....... back in Pakistan

You forgot to answer some questions

How long have you known the 2nd wife?

Was it an arranged marriage?

How long have you been married now?

You said you have 2 kids?

How long have you been divorced?

Were you talking to this wife when you were still married to first wife? I think yes and this might be an issue.

You said you were married 4.5 years to first wife. Was she an american born woman? Did you meet her online or were you already her on a student visa?

How long were you separated before you started speaking to a woman from your country?

Well said. This is the typical scammer that makes all of us pay the price. I hope he is in AP for another 4 years and then be denied....

[AYMAN_RINA 92]

Your American wife fought hard for you to be with her for 4 years?

And you decided it took its toll on you but you came to usa to "Be with her"

This has fraud written all over it. If I was the CO I would revoke it also.

How long did you live with the american wife in the USA before this toll forced you to divorce her

and she petitioned for you, paid alot of money because she belived in you.

And it took 3 longs months to get over her and this divorce before you married a woman who has known your family for years

How old are your children?

It sounds arranged

It sounds that you are a bad man

It sounds like you had planned this all along

It sounds like you should make a life with your arranged love in another country

It sounds like you found a good strong american woman with some money to get you to usa so you used her for immigration purposes and married your arranged wife as quick as you could.

If she fought to bring you here for 4 years and then you just up and left her.... you are a cruel user. You could have tried harder if you loved her. But you had to marry someone else your family chose so you had to dump this american who sacrificed and suffered for you and fought hard to bring a Pakistan guy to USA. Pakistan men have to be in AP a long time because there are a few bad seeds that show their true colors when coming here.

I wish embassy could have seen the TOLL this was taking on you and should have had you stay in Pakistan so you would not be burdened with the toll of divorce and relocating to the USA. I hope during citizenship they feel the same. I hope you are your wife have a beautiful life....... back in Pakistan

You forgot to answer some questions

How long have you known the 2nd wife?

Was it an arranged marriage?

How long have you been married now?

You said you have 2 kids?

How long have you been divorced?

Were you talking to this wife when you were still married to first wife? I think yes and this might be an issue.

You said you were married 4.5 years to first wife. Was she an american born woman? Did you meet her online or were you already her on a student visa?

How long were you separated before you started speaking to a woman from your country?

Yeah

[EAbbas 213]

This is a great example of why so many genuine couples endure a long heartbreaking AP

Even if the OP had NO intention for this previously and he did marry his first wife hoping that their marriage would work ... the CO will look at it with suspicions thus causing denial, revocation or Long and lengthy AP

Edited April 9, 2012 by EAbbas

[together4evr 360]

The OP has left the building and he forgot to answer some simple questions. (BIG SIGN OF FRAUD_Can't handle the heat)

Maybe the Pakstan (family approved) wife could not answer those simple questions in her interview.

Maybe you can call your ex-wife (the American which took a toll on you to get here) and she can tell you how she was able to finally get you here and you can learn something from her?