Child Custody In Egypt (Slightly Off Topic)

[Zee Bee 61]

I'm not a mom (yet) and I have no experience with custody issues, but one thing I know is that you should not put yourself in the middle of all this. If your SO wants to pursue this let him figure it out.

[Amber & Ahmed 133]

Ummmmm here's another thing that really really puts a ####### in my #######... said fiance doesn't even live with the child or his other child. He is living in another country and only returns during the summer months at which time he then sees the kids, so what makes either of the "adults" in this situation believe any of the children would wish to go to the States and live with some strange foreign lady??? Really this is ridiculous to the extreme!!! Also as others have posted, if he is wiling to do this to the ex-wife, what makes the OP believe he wouldn't do it to her also. Think twice... Karma is a B- IT- CH! Sorry if my language or way of talking offends anyone but really my feathers are ruffled by this inconsiderate way of thinking, me personally... I would NEVER EVER EVER allow something like this to go down, what kind of woman would even want to be party to such nonsense??? I would say a woman that is not a mother and has NO CLUE what being a mother is all about, the OP's only concern is the happiness of her and her fiance, when all mothers know it isn't about what you want but what is best for the child. Enough from me now on this topic, I feel disgusted and offended for the child's mother.

[Om&Abo Malik 12]

just chiming in, i normally stay out of these discussions and stick to my own business but you asked the question so i guess i can come on here and agree with half the posters who were direct enough to tell you how unimaginable it is that you and your fiance would even consider doing that to the child or it's mother. Second i will make a new point, a GOOD MAN, would never consider such a thing and especially an egyptian one because from all i have seen egyptians truly know the value of family and mother's here are queens. If your fiance wants to be with you, then that is his choice and if he wants to go to usa then he wants to leave his kids because he will never in an egyptian court get that child away from his mother, raised by another woman in another country

[NY_BX 397]

Like others have said, you're jumping the gun on this one big time. You haven't even met your "fiance" yet so I'm not sure how the thought of child custody can even enter your mind. You don't even know if you'll actually like your "fiance" once you meet him in person. I wouldn't worry about his kids or his ex right now. I would focus on whether or not you both even have chemistry beyond online chats. I know you *think* you're madly in love and things are going to be amazing but you have no idea. There are so many things to consider other than the feelings of love and lust which is really all you have right now.

About child custody, most of us are not Egyptians but your "fiance" is. He can more easily research child custody laws than we can. What you'll get here is mostly hearsay and opinions not facts. I'm assuming you don't have children because if you did you would NEVER consider taking a child away from his mother esp to move the child to a foreign country. I'm sorry to say this but the situation with your "fiance" does not sound good. Too much potential drama and too many babies and baby mamas.

I have to say, I like you quote/ unquote the word "fiancee." The sarcasm is palpable. I too, find this relationship unbelievable.

[~ameriptian~ 54]

Being born and raised in Egypt, I can say that your 'fiance's' chances of obtaining custody of his child are almost non-existent.... Especially since his ex has been the full-time parent, and clearly has been playing the role of both parents while your 'fiance' works in Saudi Arabia... I don't understand why would any judge grant him full custody, unless the mother is willing to sign off her parental rights...which I doubt very much..

Egyptian/Middle Eastern mothers are ones of the most protective mothers, you'd ever meet.. The concept of 'letting go' of their children is not even in the culture.. Heck, they even have a hard time letting go of the idea that their children are not children anymore even after they get married and have families of their own...

If he cares about having both children in his life...why didn't he do that before moving to another country and before meeting you?

I don't doubt that you mean well...but there's a difference between supporting your 'fiance'/spouse, and wrecking other people's lives to make yours better...

[nurse1967 287]

Ahhhhh that's what I so love about us MENA peeps...we aren't afraid to give you our opinion!!! Also, interesting to see we all agree. This poor girl has some tough lessons to learn before this experience is over. We all know that and she will too soon enough.

[Amber & Ahmed 133]

Ahhhhh that's what I so love about us MENA peeps...we aren't afraid to give you our opinion!!! Also, interesting to see we all agree. This poor girl has some tough lessons to learn before this experience is over. We all know that and she will too soon enough.

Betsy I concur with you whole heartedly on this topic, it is weird because we have never really agreed on past topics, though I believe we have respected each other's opinions. But in this topic what is wrong is wrong and this is blatantly WRONG on every level I can think of. This is why every one of us agree... this time around... really I am in shock the OP would even agree to something of this nature. Even if it is true that the only motives are to keep the children together, it is still just wrong. Why didn't the "fiance" consider this before moving to another country? His overwhelming desire to keep the kids together and all pffft. Whatever. If this is truly a concern then I think it is time to forgo the thought of him immigrating to the States and for him to quit his job and go back to Egypt and for the OP to pack her bags and bid adieu to the States and move to Egypt. To me though it isn't so much about keeping the kids together as it is about sticking it to the mom of this child.

This topic is just WRONG.

[NY_BX 397]

Betsy I concur with you whole heartedly on this topic, it is weird because we have never really agreed on past topics, though I believe we have respected each other's opinions. But in this topic what is wrong is wrong and this is blatantly WRONG on every level I can think of. This is why every one of us agree... this time around... really I am in shock the OP would even agree to something of this nature. Even if it is true that the only motives are to keep the children together, it is still just wrong. Why didn't the "fiance" consider this before moving to another country? His overwhelming desire to keep the kids together and all pffft. Whatever. If this is truly a concern then I think it is time to forgo the thought of him immigrating to the States and for him to quit his job and go back to Egypt and for the OP to pack her bags and bid adieu to the States and move to Egypt. To me though it isn't so much about keeping the kids together as it is about sticking it to the mom of this child.

This topic is just WRONG.

....or is it about giving his kids the big GC? The more I read about this "relationship," the more it smells like this lady is being fooled. I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but I am so outraged over this topic!

Full diclosure: I met my fiancee on an Amnesty International panel for women's rights. HE is egyptian; I'm a full blown Puerto Rican. We're both activists, politicians and we CHOSE to dedicate our lives and careers for social justice and civil rights. Needless to say, I'd be the first one, I admit it, to halt rapture proceedings like this one. My boyfriend and I have taken a lot of heat for speaking our minds and wearing our hearts on a sleeve. But we fight for what's right and this ####### is so wrong in so many levels... *gasps*........... I have a headache.

Unfortunately, there are so many people in this world that have a sense of entitlement beyond being selfish. This is CLEARLY one of those. There, I said it!

I am working in a Demand Dignity campaign with several international organizations and labor unions. One of elements of the campaign is, of course, women's rights. If any of you want to get involved in any way, feel free to send me a private note. I'm sick and tired of bullcrap like this....

[~ameriptian~ 54]

....or is it about giving his kids the big GC? The more I read about this "relationship," the more it smells like this lady is being fooled. I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but I am so outraged over this topic!

Full diclosure: I met my fiancee on an Amnesty International panel for women's rights. HE is egyptian; I'm a full blown Puerto Rican. We're both activists, politicians and we CHOSE to dedicate our lives and careers for social justice and civil rights. Needless to say, I'd be the first one, I admit it, to halt rapture proceedings like this one. My boyfriend and I have taken a lot of heat for speaking our minds and wearing our hearts on a sleeve. But we fight for what's right and this ####### is so wrong in so many levels... *gasps*........... I have a headache.

Unfortunately, there are so many people in this world that have a sense of entitlement beyond being selfish. This is CLEARLY one of those. There, I said it!

I am working in a Demand Dignity campaign with several international organizations and labor unions. One of elements of the campaign is, of course, women's rights. If any of you want to get involved in any way, feel free to send me a private note. I'm sick and tired of bullcrap like this....

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[Nagishkaw 510]

Is anyone familiar with child custody laws in Egypt?

Khalid (my man) really wants custody of his younger son, Youssef. He has custody of his older son (Adam), but that's because Adam's mother died years ago. But he really wants his 2 boys to grow up together.

Right now, little Youssef's mother has custody. When they were married, Khalid owned 2 apartments. His Ex got one of them, and lives in it now. Plus she works. So she is established and all. Khalid pays support for the child. I've been hearing that the Egyptian courts tend to favor the mother.

He plans to live with me, and we can raise Adam. But he doesn't want to be a stranger to his younger son, or for the kids to be apart until Youssef is 12 (standard age when the father can usually take the child).

But even still-- does he have any hope for custody at all? I mean is it possible? Any Egyptians here know about this?

[Muh and me 18]

Hi Nagi, long time no see post!!!!

[Nagishkaw 510]

Hi Nagi, long time no see post!!!!

:luv: Howdy, T ! :luv:

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

Is anyone familiar with child custody laws in Egypt?

Khalid (my man) really wants custody of his younger son, Youssef. He has custody of his older son (Adam), but that's because Adam's mother died years ago. But he really wants his 2 boys to grow up together.

Right now, little Youssef's mother has custody. When they were married, Khalid owned 2 apartments. His Ex got one of them, and lives in it now. Plus she works. So she is established and all. Khalid pays support for the child. I've been hearing that the Egyptian courts tend to favor the mother.

He plans to live with me, and we can raise Adam. But he doesn't want to be a stranger to his younger son, or for the kids to be apart until Youssef is 12 (standard age when the father can usually take the child).

But even still-- does he have any hope for custody at all? I mean is it possible? Any Egyptians here know about this?

Why would you even support someone going after custody of his younger boy when he has a solid home and this husband is overseas working in Saudi anyway and hasnt been a part of this childs daily life? He has his older boy. Leave this poor woman alone and let her raise her younger child...

Betsy I concur with you whole heartedly on this topic, it is weird because we have never really agreed on past topics, though I believe we have respected each other's opinions. But in this topic what is wrong is wrong and this is blatantly WRONG on every level I can think of. This is why every one of us agree... this time around... really I am in shock the OP would even agree to something of this nature. Even if it is true that the only motives are to keep the children together, it is still just wrong. Why didn't the "fiance" consider this before moving to another country? His overwhelming desire to keep the kids together and all pffft. Whatever. If this is truly a concern then I think it is time to forgo the thought of him immigrating to the States and for him to quit his job and go back to Egypt and for the OP to pack her bags and bid adieu to the States and move to Egypt. To me though it isn't so much about keeping the kids together as it is about sticking it to the mom of this child.

This topic is just WRONG.

agreed

Obviously, this girl is not a mother. If she was, she would never even suggest such a thing. As someone said earlier, be careful cause one day you might be the ex and he might be scheming of ways to take your baby from you.

agreed

[Aly174 9]

OMG OMG OMG OMG

I just got settled in back here in Alex, thought I would hop on and see what's new here with my fellow MENA pals and I read this..........

As Amber so nicely put it, we don't all always agree or share opinions here too often but I think you definitely got an honest overwhelming majority opinion 100on this one..

Melissa, I was so hopeful for you and your "fiance" to get through this whole process and I am still more than willing to help out with any advice pertaining to relationship with and marriage to an Egyptian man as well as immigration proceedings once you arrive at this point, as I am sure many here are as well...however this is one topic that no one can help with nor should you even be looking for help unless as a few others have said there is some legitimate reason the mother should not have custody for the "CHILD'S sake" which clearly does not appear to be the case. I am very sorry for saying this and I truly hope I am being too harsh and wrong, but I am really beginning to question the character of a man, specifically an Egyptian man, who would do such a thing or consider it let alone drag you into it. As others have pointed out, the boy is not even living with him and he is not even in Egypt at this point he works in Saudi and only goes back for short visits during summer break..he doesn't have a daily life with this child at this point, how could any good come out of the two of you tearing him from his mother who has basically been he sole parent and uprooting him to a strange country where he will have no one other than his dad and step brother as far as blood relatives go and ppl to look up to with same culture and background and a foreign step mom whom can't even communicate with him?!?!?!?!:blink:

Sweetie, you seem like a really nice and possibly overly caring woman from your previous posts...to be honest I am quite concerned and worried that your "love" and desire to want to make this man happy will be your undoing. No good Egyptian or good man period, would suggest doing this. I also can't help but notice from all of your previous posts how you are constantly looking for ways that seemingly are to make things easier or more conveinent for your "fiance". If he really wants to be actively involved in their lives more than just via skype and the occasional extended vacations, which by the way the boys mother may or may not even allow since you are talking about sending her child out of the country, the best thing you both could do would be live in Egypt...that is what is in the best interest of the children- this is everything and everyone they have ever known..you guys are the adults, you can adapt and make your own choices- they cannot...In addition to worrying about your "fiance's" feelings and wishes, have you for a moment considered those of the young boy? How will he feel towards you, a stranger, some foreign woman, who aided in helping his father take custody of him then uproot him from what as far as any of us know is a happy home and childhood with a mother whom I am certain he is very attached to and will be extremely loyal to especially if his father were to succeed in doing this...this is a recipe for disaster that you really do not want or need to bring into an already complicated and new relationship/marriage.

My suggestion, stay out of this one and please, please, please get to the core of your "man" and everything he truly stands for and make for certain it is in line with your true values and beliefs. It is easy to fall in love with someone online, especially since you spend so much time talking with them since that is basically all you can do from afar, I venture to say most of us here started that same way. The true test of the relationship lies in what happens in person, not how long you are able to nurture and maintain an online relationship, and only at this point will you get to know the real person you are in love with- by living with them day in and day out, during arguments when neither of you can escape by simply signing out of your computer- right now you are focusing on and thinking about the wrong things, you two first need to sort out a good and proper first official meeting. I strongly urge you not to wait until next summer to do so and marry at that point as you previously indicated. Please take a week and go now, have him meet you in Egypt prior to the school year starting- there is still plenty of time especially since Ramadan falls on August 1, this year- if this is impossible, then by all means get him to agree to meet with you for such a visit over winter break..see how it goes in person and between now and then, then plan your marriage for next summer's visit. I am in Egypt now and work in the education system as well, I am very familiar with the breaks and the fact that there are still plenty of opportunities to have such a visit during the next few months.

I gotta stop now, I feel I will get off topic; this just really got to me on many levels so I had to respond in such a way. Please don't take my response as a personal attack, I really really do wish you the very best.

[Samoray 165]

Is anyone familiar with child custody laws in Egypt?

Khalid (my man) really wants custody of his younger son, Youssef. He has custody of his older son (Adam), but that's because Adam's mother died years ago. But he really wants his 2 boys to grow up together.

Right now, little Youssef's mother has custody. When they were married, Khalid owned 2 apartments. His Ex got one of them, and lives in it now. Plus she works. So she is established and all. Khalid pays support for the child. I've been hearing that the Egyptian courts tend to favor the mother.

He plans to live with me, and we can raise Adam. But he doesn't want to be a stranger to his younger son, or for the kids to be apart until Youssef is 12 (standard age when the father can usually take the child).

But even still-- does he have any hope for custody at all? I mean is it possible? Any Egyptians here know about this?

The answer is simply no, he doesn't have no hope in taking custody, and if he wants to pursue that, it will be a long process that will take years and years, and in the end it will be in the favor of the mother, since she has a job and can provide for her child, unless she remarries then maybe he will have a chance, Good Luck to both of you.