In the room with the man trying to kill you

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Raise your hand if your ancestors were never colonialists.

Does the Alaska land bridge count?

Europeans were the worst, hands down.

Sure Europeans were the greatest colonizers in the history of mankind. They had the technology. The only group that had the technology and didn't use it were the Chinese.

Edited June 16, 2011 by Sousuke

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The Chinese will be the next "great" colonialists.

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The Chinese will be the next "great" colonialists.

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A sampling of Ahmadinejad's recent remarks.

At a Holocaust conference at Sharif University of Technology in Tehran on January 27, 2009, Ahmadinejad stated:

"Today the Zionists dominate many of the world's centers of power, wealth, and media. Unfortunately, they have ensnared many politicians and parties, and they are plundering the wealth and assets of nations in this way, depriving peoples of their freedoms and destroying their cultures and human values by spreading their nexus of corruption."

At the 2008 anniversary of Khomeini's death, Ahmadinejad said:

"You should know that the criminal and terrorist Zionist regime which has 60 years of plundering, aggression and crimes in its file has reached the end of its work and will soon disappear off the geographical scene."

At a Holocaust conference at Sharif University of Technology in Tehran on January 27, 2009, Ahmadinejad stated:

For 60 years they allowed no one to question and cast doubt on the logic of the Holocaust and its very essence - because if the truth were to be exposed, nothing would remain of their logic of liberal democracy. It is the very advocates of liberal democracy who defend the Holocaust, who have sanctified it to the point where none may enter. Breaking the padlock of the Holocaust and reexamining it will be tantamount to cutting the vital arteries of the Zionist regime. It will destroy the philosophical foundation and raison d'être of this regime...I invite the dear researchers, intellectuals, young people and students, who are the trailblazers, to reexamine not only the Holocaust, but also its consequences and aftermath and inform others of their studies and research. Let us not forget that more than ever before, the Zionist network, which came up with the issue of the Holocaust, must be exposed, and be presented to the peoples as it really is.

Where have we heard all this before?

...the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

In the course of my life I have very often been a prophet, and have usually been ridiculed for it. During the time of my struggle for power it was in the first instance only the Jewish race that received my prophecies with laughter when I said that I would one day take over the leadership of the State, and with it that of the whole nation, and that I would then among other things settle the Jewish problem. Their laughter was uproarious, but I think that for some time now they have been laughing on the other side of their face. Today I will once more be a prophet: if the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevizing of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!

Adolf Hitler, speech to the Reichstag, 30 January 1939

Where does it lead?

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Raise your hand if your ancestors were never colonialists.

I find it quite odd why you would be defending Ahmadinejad's argument. I have some Native American blood with Irish, English and German ancestry. I'm not calling for the obliteration of any particular group of colonists. Why do you think Ahmadinejad has any point in his argument at all?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Learn to live with what? Being victims of genocide?

And so, yet another to add to the collection. Take your rolleyes, your wackos, your energy, and stuff it all where the sun don't shine, along with the rest of this vile trash.

Bchol dor vador omdim aleinu lechaloteinu.

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Vi-jay-jay just got pwned.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

A sampling of Ahmadinejad's recent remarks.

At a Holocaust conference at Sharif University of Technology in Tehran on January 27, 2009, Ahmadinejad stated:

At the 2008 anniversary of Khomeini's death, Ahmadinejad said:

At a Holocaust conference at Sharif University of Technology in Tehran on January 27, 2009, Ahmadinejad stated:

Where have we heard all this before?

Where does it lead?

Ahmadinejad and his pecker head puppet masters (Mullah's) try to deflect their own country's problems by using Israel as a focal point of all the worlds woes. It's a tried and true method. Find an enemy and harp on it so much that your own citizens forget about their own country's ills and focus on whatever their government is shoving down their throat atm. The scary part of all this is that Iran is not only building up it's military and nuclear capabilities, but it keeps funding Islamist terror organizations such as Hezbollah, Hamas, etc...with money, arms, etc... Something has to eventually give in all this, and I do believe it's going to end up in a war and in consequence the downfall of Iran's nut case regime.

Now peeps giving that nut case a pulpit to preach his utter bs is another scary thing to look at. Repressive regimes like Russia, China, Belarus, etc... actually give that nutter a pulpit to preach from and that imo shows just how far these dictatorships will go to further their own sh*t.

Learn to live with what? Being victims of genocide?

And so, yet another to add to the collection. Take your rolleyes, your wackos, your energy, and stuff it all where the sun don't shine, along with the rest of this vile trash.

Bchol dor vador omdim aleinu lechaloteinu.

Nobody should endorse nor excuse genocide for any reason. This does not only go for Holocaust deniers (nutters), but also for Russia and Israel who willingly give citizenship to Communist criminals who were guilty committing brutal crimes against humanity in regards to USSR atrocity's. Israel still refused to recognize Holodomor as a genocide committed against the people of Ukraine yet furthers the call for remembrance of the Holocaust and calls for further prosecution of NAZI's (which it should imo), yet refuses to give up their own Communist war criminals for prosecution.

It's a two edged sword, and you can't have your cake and eat it to.

Edited June 16, 2011 by Why_Me

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I find it quite odd why you would be defending Ahmadinejad's argument. I have some Native American blood with Irish, English and German ancestry. I'm not calling for the obliteration of any particular group of colonists. Why do you think Ahmadinejad has any point in his argument at all?

Steven, you're making a habit of jumping to conclusions and making overheated accusations. It's very annoying. Here's what you would have to read from me to know that I agree with Ahmadinejad:

"I agree with Ahmadinejad".

Nothing even close to that was said. But, I will be very clear and say bluntly that I don't agree with the ####### who wrote the article in the OP either.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

+1

Vi-jay-jay just got pwned.

Before you jump on the band wagon, I did not read any reference to the Holocaust by the poster "Vi-jay". I do believe he was referring to the Palestinian situation....or could it be anymore obvious?

And as far as butchering millions go...read up on the Bolsheviks (who were mainly Jewish) who were guilty of murdering tens of millions of people in the most brutal ways possible. They were as every bit as bad as the NAZI's.

Both NAZI's and Bolsheviks are/were equally evil.

Edited June 16, 2011 by Why_Me

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read up on the Bolsheviks (who were mainly Jewish)

CITE. CITE. CITE.

CITE one piece of actual verifiable evidence for this outrageous lie.

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Raise your hand if your ancestors were never colonialists.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

CITE. CITE. CITE.

CITE one piece of actual verifiable evidence for this outrageous lie.

It's obvious that you haven't studied the Bolshevik movement from the beginning to the post Stalin era or you would not call it a lie. I am in no way being "anti Semitic" with this post. It's common knowledge to anyone who has read up on the history of Bolshevism and/or USSR. Right after WW2 Stalin put an "All Jew" government in charge of Poland for the fact he didn't trust Polish nationalist. These Jewish/communist helped highten anti semitism in Poland for the fact not only were they in charge, they committed horrific acts against the Polish people. W

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nachman_Dushanski <----- Nachman Dushanski > Communist war criminal given asylum by Israel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel <----- Salomon Morel > Communist war criminal given asylum by Israel

NAME NATIONALITY

Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew

Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew

Lourie (Larine) Jew

Ouritski Jew

Volodarski Jew

Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) Jew

Smidovitch Jew

Sverdlof (Yankel) Jew

Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew

Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian/Jew

Krylenko Russian

Lounatcharski Russian

"The Council of the People's Commissars comprises the following:

MINISTRY NAME NATIONALITY

President Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian

Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian

Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian

Agriculture Protian Armenian

Economic Council Lourie (Larine) Jew

Food Schlichter Jew

Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew

State Control Lander Jew

State Lands Kauffman Jew

Works V. Schmidt Jew

Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) Jewess

Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian

Religions Spitzberg Jew

Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew

Hygiene Anvelt Jew

Finance Isidore Goukovski Jew

Press Volodarski Jew

Elections Ouritski Jew

Justice I. Steinberg Jew

Refugees Fenigstein Jew

Refugees (assist.) Savitch Jew

Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski Jew

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20110614/wl_time/08599207741300#mwpphu-container <----- Even Lenin had Jewish roots.

"Vladimir Lenin Was Part Jewish, Say Declassified KGB Files"

It's been proven native Americans came across the land bridge between Alaska and Russia and thus in fact "colonized North and South America". Indians were notorious for committing atrocity's against one another.

Edited June 16, 2011 by Why_Me

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin <----- Joseph Stalin. He had three wives, and one lover (affair). All these women were Jewish.

Even Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn among others said that over half the NKVD /GRU and Gulag prison guards were Jewish. He should know seeing how he spent close half of his life traveling from one Gulag to another.

Edited June 16, 2011 by Why_Me

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This is your direct QUOTE

And as far as butchering millions go...read up on the Bolsheviks (who were mainly Jewish) who were guilty of murdering tens of millions of people in the most brutal ways possible.

It asserts:

- Jews comprised the majority of Bolsheviks

- Bolshevik Jews were guilty of brutal mass murder

As "evidence" you listed an assortment of names, some Jewish some not.

No one disputes that some Bolsheviks, including prominent ones like Trotsky, were Jewish.

You HAVE NOT made the case that Bolsheviks were "mainly" Jewish.

You HAVE NOT made the case that Jewish Bolsheviks bore primary responsibility for the mass deaths which occurred during Lenin and Stalin's regimes.

Evidence would take the form of a verifiable document that asserts "Number of Bolsheviks at date D was X. Number of Jewish Bolsheviks at that date was Y. Percentage of Jewish Bolsheviks was Y/X * 100", with that percentage being > 50%. You have not, because you CANNOT provide such evidence.

In contrast, I cite the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

Jews in the Bolshevik party

On the eve of the February Revolution, in 1917, the Bolshevik party had about 10,000 members, of whom 364 were ethnic Jews.[9][15] Between 1917 and 1919, Jewish party leaders included Grigory Zinoviev, Moisei Uritsky, Grigory Sokolnikov, and Leon Trotsky. Adolph Joffe was a Karaite and Lev Kamenev was of mixed ethnic Russian and Jewish parentage.[16][17] Trotsky was also a member (or "Narkom") of the ruling Council of People's Commissars.[18] Among the 23 Narkoms between 1923 and 1930, five were Jewish.[16]

Conditions in Russia (1924) A Census - Bolsheviks by Ethnicity

According to the 1922 party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.21% of the total.[16] Jews made up 7.1% of members who had joined before October 1917.[18]

Among members of the Central Executive Committee of the Congress of Soviets in 1929, there were 402 ethnic Russians, 95 Ukrainians, 55 Jews, 26 Latvians, 13 Poles, and 12 Germans – Jewish representation had declined from 60 members in 1927.[19]

In the 1920s, of the 417 members of the Central Executive Committee, the party Central Committee, the Presidium of the Executive of the Soviets of the USSR and the Russian Republic, the People's Commissars, 6% were ethnic Jews.[16]

Between 1936 and 1940, during the Great Purge, Yezhovshchina and after the rapprochement with Nazi Germany, Stalin had largely eliminated Jews from senior party, government, diplomatic, security and military positions.[20] In 1939, Stalin directed incoming Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov to "purge the ministry of Jews".[21] Although some scholars believe that this decision was taken for primarily domestic reasons,[21] others argue it may have been a signal to Nazi Germany that the USSR was ready for non-aggression talks.[22][23]

According to historian Iakov Etinger, many Soviet state purges of the 1930s were antisemitic in nature, and a more intense antisemitic policy developed toward the end of World War II.[24] Stalin in 1952 allegedly said privately that "every Jew is a potential spy for the United States".[25]

Get that?

* In 1917, 364/10,000 Bolsheviks were Jewish. That is not "mainly"

* During the 1920s, 5 out of 23 Narkoms were Jewish. That is not "mainly"

* In 1922, 5.21% of all Bolsheviks were Jewish. That is not "mainly"

* In 1929, 55 of approx. 600 Executive Committee members were Jewish. That is not "mainly"

Follow the wikipedia link - each of those footnotes is a verifiable source document for the statistic cited.

It's common knowledge to anyone who has read up on the history of Bolshevism and/or USSR. Right after WW2 Stalin put an "All Jew" government in charge of Poland for the fact he didn't trust Polish nationalist. These Jewish/communist helped highten anti semitism in Poland for the fact not only were they in charge, they committed horrific acts against the Polish people.

Common knowledge to you. I call BULLSHITE. Stalin was actively purging Jews at this point, most famously the sacking of (Jewish) Maxim Litvinov as Foreign Secretary and replacing him with (non-Jewish) Molotov in order to pacify Hitler and Ribbentrop, with whom he was interested in conducting a negotiation to dismember Poland. Molotov went on to architect the Katyn Massacre. Perhaps history would have been different had Litvinov been allowed to stay in office.

In summary, I call bullshite frontwards, backwards and sideways on your tripe.

Yes, there were Jewish Bolsheviks in rough proportion to their population in Russia at the time, and in the educated intelligencia of the day. Yes, first Lenin and then far more so Stalin, set up horrible authoritarian governments, imprisoned and tortured and murdered their own citizens. Yes, Jews were participants in the Soviet government. They were also among the Russian victims of that government. Jews most certainly did not lead or architect that butchery and to insinuate that is false. The motivations of one who would assert such things are as transparent as the lies are bold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin <----- Joseph Stalin. He had three wives, and one lover (affair). All these women were Jewish.

Irrelevant if it were true, as being the Jewish wife of a mass murderer does not implicate all Jews in the mass murder.

However, this is not true, it is a lie.

Ekaterina "Kato" Svanidze (Georgian: ეკატერინე "კატო" სვანიძე; April 2, 1885 – December 5, 1907) was the Georgian first wife of Joseph Stalin. They were married in 1906.

Georgian, not Jewish.

Nadezhda Sergeevna Alliluyeva (Russian: Надежда Сергеевна Аллилуева) (22 September 1901 – November 9, 1932) was the second wife of Joseph Stalin. Nadezhda was the youngest child of Russian revolutionary Sergei Alliluyev, a railway worker, and his wife Olga, a woman of German, Romani and Georgian ancestry

Russian/German/Romani/Georgian ancestry. Not Jewish.

Even Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn among others said that over half the NKVD /GRU and Gulag prison guards were Jewish. He should know seeing how he spent close half of his life traveling from one Gulag to another.

the American historian Richard Pipes commented: "Every culture has its own brand of anti-Semitism. In Solzhenitsyn's case, it's not racial. It has nothing to do with blood. He's certainly not a racist; the question is fundamentally religious and cultural. He bears some resemblance to Dostoevsky, who was a fervent Christian and patriot and a rabid anti-Semite. Solzhenitsyn is unquestionably in the grip of the Russian extreme right's view of the Revolution, which is that it was the doing of the Jews".[54]

Rather like someone here on this board .......

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Ahmadinejad and his pecker head puppet masters (Mullah's) try to deflect their own country's problems by using Israel as a focal point of all the worlds woes. It's a tried and true method. Find an enemy and harp on it so much that your own citizens forget about their own country's ills and focus on whatever their government is shoving down their throat atm. The scary part of all this is that Iran is not only building up it's military and nuclear capabilities, but it keeps funding Islamist terror organizations such as Hezbollah, Hamas, etc...with money, arms, etc... Something has to eventually give in all this, and I do believe it's going to end up in a war and in consequence the downfall of Iran's nut case regime.

Now peeps giving that nut case a pulpit to preach his utter bs is another scary thing to look at. Repressive regimes like Russia, China, Belarus, etc... actually give that nutter a pulpit to preach from and that imo shows just how far these dictatorships will go to further their own sh*t.

Nobody should endorse nor excuse genocide for any reason. This does not only go for Holocaust deniers (nutters), but also for Russia and Israel who willingly give citizenship to Communist criminals who were guilty committing brutal crimes against humanity in regards to USSR atrocity's. Israel still refused to recognize Holodomor as a genocide committed against the people of Ukraine yet furthers the call for remembrance of the Holocaust and calls for further prosecution of NAZI's (which it should imo), yet refuses to give up their own Communist war criminals for prosecution.

It's a two edged sword, and you can't have your cake and eat it to.

I should point out that while I VIOLENTLY disagree with your mischaracterization of Jews as being the instigators of Stalinist crimes in the USSR, I do in large part agree with everything you wrote above.

I am not personally familiar with the cases you have repeatedly cited regarding Dushanski and Morel. If what you allege is true -- namely that they are war criminals, and that Israel has harbored them -- then I would agree that justice should be served. That's IF.

Since I've seen through much of your fallacies on other matters I remain skeptical of your claim on these two, but I do acknowledge that I do not know the specifics of these two cases.