Constitutional Rights are God given to ALL MANKIND

[jjjimmy 0]

i really hate this gun control issue.it is killing the democratic party.guns dont kill people do

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

They could have killed just as many with a crossbow or a regular bow.....

I don't think so. You're gonna shoot bows as fast as you squeeze rounds out of a semi-automatic?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

They could have killed just as many with a crossbow or a regular bow.....

I don't think so. You're gonna shoot bows as fast as you squeeze rounds out of a semi-automatic?

Prince Philip made a similar claim in the wake of the Dunblane primary school rampage - suggesting that a cricket bat is just as dangerous as a firearm. Because of course it stands to reason that a man chasing five year olds around a school yard with a wooden club is going to "bag" as many as he will with several handguns and a high powered rifle.

[mawilson 2,133]

No ones phone calls are being listened to unless the one in America is talking to a suspected terrorist outside the country.

The thing is, you don't know that because it's done in secrecy. If the NSA / CIA / FBI are

allowed to listen in on any phone line or monitor any Internet account without a court warrant,

they can easily abuse this power to spy on anyone they want including you and me.

[GaryC 7]

No ones phone calls are being listened to unless the one in America is talking to a suspected terrorist outside the country.

The thing is, you don't know that because it's done in secrecy. If the NSA / CIA / FBI are

allowed to listen in on any phone line or monitor any Internet account without a court warrant,

they can easily abuse this power to spy on anyone they want including you and me.

But why would they want to? It sounds like you have a vision of someone sitting in a dark room randomly listening to peoples conversations. They don't have the time or the resources for that kind of vourism(spelling?). They have a job to do and it does not include listening in on you and me. I just don't understand the parinoid fear of it all. There are literally billions of phone calls made each day. The chances of them listening in on you is microscopic. The have to target the calls they want through data mining just to find the terrorist calls. It's the only way it can be done. The alternative is to just let them talk freely and make their plans.

[Henia 11]

[GaryC 7]

So what else is new? I love VJ!

[VetsWife328 7]

Well said Gary!!!

And here's my opinion:

If 9/11 wouldn't have happened then the Patriot Act wouldn't be.

Unfortunatley it did happen and it has changed the whole world and especially the way ppl in America are thinking.

Instead of some ppl here constantly yepping about the rights of a certain "group" of ppl being violated (which in my eyes is NOT the case) those ppl should sit down and think of the victims and families ......

Nat

[Heracles 417]

The "Patriot Act" is a vile piece of ####### that needs to go away as soon as monkey-boy is out of the white house.

Yes, A monkey who is a Yale and Harvard graduate.. That is, top colleges which are highly regarded around the world. What would he know though in comparison to highly educated media students on the left...

Edited September 5, 2006 by Infidel

[Artegal 1]

Instead of some ppl here constantly yepping about the rights of a certain "group" of ppl being violated (which in my eyes is NOT the case) those ppl should sit down and think of the victims and families ......

Nat

a certain group you are talking about is the whole population of the United States. The government has swindled you with the incorrect assumption that the law enforcement tools were not in place prior to Sept 11th 2001 to prevent this attack--the fact is there were plenty of laws in force, bungled investigations, ineptness, and lack of leadership. It was a totally avoidable attack without the usage of laws and executive orders that completely dismantle our constitutional rights.

I think the families have been well compensated for their loss--about 2 million dollars per victim, and when I sit down and think about the victims and families I also think about the millions of other Americans that have died in wars and struggles in order to protect our freedoms--if we allow such laws as the Patriot Act and other black-handed executive orders to continue then the 3,000 victims of 9/11 and the millions of soldiers, activists, and statesmen in our nation's history have certainly died in vain--for what reason was it to defend this great land from tyranny and domination--only to have nonsensical, invasive, and unconstitutional laws imposed upon the very families whom have given the ultimate sacrifice to defend our rights and freedoms, by this most politically and civically immoral administration.

[GaryC 7]

EXERCISE OF CERTAIN AUTHORITY RESPECTING ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE

EO 12139

23 May 1979

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

By the authority vested in me as President by Sections 102 and

104 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C.

1802 and 1804), in order to provide as set forth in that Act (this

chapter) for the authorization of electronic surveillance for

foreign intelligence purposes, it is hereby ordered as follows:

1-101. Pursuant to Section 102(a)( 1 ) of the Foreign Intelligence

Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802( a )), the Attorney General

is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign

intelligence information without a court order, but only if the

Attorney General makes the certifications required by that Section.

1-102. Pursuant to Section 102( B ) of the Foreign Intelligence Act

of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802( B )), the Attorney General is authorized to

approve applications to the court having jurisdiction under Section

103 of that Act (50 U.S.C. 1803) to obtain orders for electronic

surveillance for the purpose of obtaining foreign intelligence

information.

1-103. Pursuant to Section 104(a)(7) of the Foreign Intelligence

Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1804(a)(7)), the following

officials, each of whom is employed in the area of national

security or defense, is designated to make the certifications

required by Section 104(a)(7) of the Act in support of applications

to conduct electronic surveillance:

(a) Secretary of State.

( B ) Secretary of Defense.

© Director of Central Intelligence.

(d) Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

(e) Deputy Secretary of State.

( F ) Deputy Secretary of Defense.

(g) Deputy Director of Central Intelligence.

None of the above officials, nor anyone officially acting in that

capacity, may exercise the authority to make the above

certifications, unless that official has been appointed by the

President with the advice and consent of the Senate.

1-104. Section 2-202 of Executive Order No. 12036 (set out under

section 401 of this title) is amended by inserting the following at

the end of that section: ''Any electronic surveillance, as defined

in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, shall be

conducted in accordance with that Act as well as this Order.''.

1-105. Section 2-203 of Executive Order No. 12036 (set out under

section 401 of this title) is amended by inserting the following at

the end of that section: ''Any monitoring which constitutes

electronic surveillance as defined in the Foreign Intelligence

Surveillance Act of 1978 shall be conducted in accordance with that

Act as well as this Order.''.

Jimmy Carter.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm

THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary

________________________________________________________________________

For Immediate Release February 9, 1995

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12949

- - - - - - -

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PHYSICAL SEARCHES

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution

and the laws of the United States, including sections 302 and 303 of the

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 ("Act") (50 U.S.C. 1801,

et seq.), as amended by Public Law 103- 359, and in order to provide for

the authorization of physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes

as set forth in the Act, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Pursuant to section 302( a )(1) of the Act, the

Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a

court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of

up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications

required by that section.

Sec. 2. Pursuant to section 302( B ) of the Act, the Attorney

General is authorized to approve applications to the Foreign

Intelligence Surveillance Court under section 303 of the Act to obtain

orders for physical searches for the purpose of collecting foreign

intelligence information.

Sec. 3. Pursuant to section 303(a)(7) of the Act, the following

officials, each of whom is employed in the area of national security or

defense, is designated to make the certifications required by section

303(a)(7) of the Act in support of applications to conduct physical

searches:

(a) Secretary of State;

( B ) Secretary of Defense;

© Director of Central Intelligence;

(d) Director of the Federal Bureau of

Investigation;

(e) Deputy Secretary of State;

( F ) Deputy Secretary of Defense; and

(g) Deputy Director of Central Intelligence.

None of the above officials, nor anyone officially acting in that

capacity, may exercise the authority to make the above certifications,

unless that official has been appointed by the President, by and with

the advice and consent of the Senate.

WILLIAM J. CLINTON

THE WHITE HOUSE,

February 9, 1995.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm

As you can see what Bush did is consistant with what past presidents have done. Our liberties and right are still here. Should we retroactivly call for Clinton and Carters impeachments?

Edited September 5, 2006 by Iniibig ko si Luz forever

[Henia 11]

EXERCISE OF CERTAIN AUTHORITY RESPECTING ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE

EO 12139

23 May 1979

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

By the authority vested in me as President by Sections 102 and

104 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C.

1802 and 1804), in order to provide as set forth in that Act (this

chapter) for the authorization of electronic surveillance for

foreign intelligence purposes, it is hereby ordered as follows:

1-101. Pursuant to Section 102(a)(1) of the Foreign Intelligence

Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802(a)), the Attorney General

is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign

intelligence information without a court order, but only if the

Attorney General makes the certifications required by that Section.

1-102. Pursuant to Section 102( B) of the Foreign Intelligence Act

of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802( B) ), the Attorney General is authorized to

approve applications to the court having jurisdiction under Section

103 of that Act (50 U.S.C. 1803) to obtain orders for electronic

surveillance for the purpose of obtaining foreign intelligence

information.

1-103. Pursuant to Section 104(a)(7) of the Foreign Intelligence

Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1804(a)(7)), the following

officials, each of whom is employed in the area of national

security or defense, is designated to make the certifications

required by Section 104(a)(7) of the Act in support of applications

to conduct electronic surveillance:

(a) Secretary of State.

( B) Secretary of Defense.

© Director of Central Intelligence.

(d) Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

(e) Deputy Secretary of State.

Deputy Secretary of Defense.

(g) Deputy Director of Central Intelligence.

None of the above officials, nor anyone officially acting in that

capacity, may exercise the authority to make the above

certifications, unless that official has been appointed by the

President with the advice and consent of the Senate.

1-104. Section 2-202 of Executive Order No. 12036 (set out under

section 401 of this title) is amended by inserting the following at

the end of that section: ''Any electronic surveillance, as defined

in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, shall be

conducted in accordance with that Act as well as this Order.''.

1-105. Section 2-203 of Executive Order No. 12036 (set out under

section 401 of this title) is amended by inserting the following at

the end of that section: ''Any monitoring which constitutes

electronic surveillance as defined in the Foreign Intelligence

Surveillance Act of 1978 shall be conducted in accordance with that

Act as well as this Order.''.

Jimmy Carter.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm

THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary

________________________________________________________________________

For Immediate Release February 9, 1995

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12949

- - - - - - -

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PHYSICAL SEARCHES

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution

and the laws of the United States, including sections 302 and 303 of the

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 ("Act") (50 U.S.C. 1801,

et seq.), as amended by Public Law 103- 359, and in order to provide for

the authorization of physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes

as set forth in the Act, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) of the Act, the

Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a

court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of

up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications

required by that section.

Sec. 2. Pursuant to section 302( B) of the Act, the Attorney

General is authorized to approve applications to the Foreign

Intelligence Surveillance Court under section 303 of the Act to obtain

orders for physical searches for the purpose of collecting foreign

intelligence information.

Sec. 3. Pursuant to section 303(a)(7) of the Act, the following

officials, each of whom is employed in the area of national security or

defense, is designated to make the certifications required by section

303(a)(7) of the Act in support of applications to conduct physical

searches:

(a) Secretary of State;

( B) Secretary of Defense;

© Director of Central Intelligence;

(d) Director of the Federal Bureau of

Investigation;

(e) Deputy Secretary of State;

Deputy Secretary of Defense; and

(g) Deputy Director of Central Intelligence.

None of the above officials, nor anyone officially acting in that

capacity, may exercise the authority to make the above certifications,

unless that official has been appointed by the President, by and with

the advice and consent of the Senate.

WILLIAM J. CLINTON

THE WHITE HOUSE,

February 9, 1995.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm

As you can see what Bush did is consistant with what past presidents have done. Our liberties and right are still here. Should we retroactivly call for Clinton and Carters impeachments?

O snaps we need a whole breed of leaders...

[GaryC 7]

"NSA call database

Main article: NSA call database

In May 2006, it was revealed that the Bush administration has also been compiling a database of telephone calls created by the United States National Security Agency (NSA) with the cooperation of three of the largest telephone carriers in the United States: AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth. All three companies were paid to provide the information to the NSA. It is speculated that the database contains over 1.9 trillion call-detail records of phone calls made after September 11, 2001. The database's existence has prompted fierce objections from those who view it as constituting a warrantless or illegal search, however the collection of third party information has been authorized by the Patriot Act and upheld by the courts."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrantless_s...e_United_States

Pres Clinton claimed the same authority that Bush is. Why is Bush getting hammered while Clinton and other past presidents get a pass on it?

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200512200946.asp

Edited September 5, 2006 by Iniibig ko si Luz forever

[Henia 11]

"NSA call database

Main article: NSA call database

In May 2006, it was revealed that the Bush administration has also been compiling a database of telephone calls created by the United States National Security Agency (NSA) with the cooperation of three of the largest telephone carriers in the United States: AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth. All three companies were paid to provide the information to the NSA. It is speculated that the database contains over 1.9 trillion call-detail records of phone calls made after September 11, 2001. The database's existence has prompted fierce objections from those who view it as constituting a warrantless or illegal search, however the collection of third party information has been authorized by the Patriot Act and upheld by the courts."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrantless_s...e_United_States

Pres Clinton claimed the same authority that Bush is. Why is Bush getting hammered while Clinton and other past presidents get a pass on it?

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200512200946.asp

Like I said, we need a whole new breed of leaders...but I can say one thing for the Clinton era...gas was cheap, we were at peace, I had a very good paying position and little worries on the future... now? hmmm

[GaryC 7]

Like I said, we need a whole new breed of leaders...but I can say one thing for the Clinton era...gas was cheap, we were at peace, I had a very good paying position and little worries on the future... now? hmmm

Sorry to hear your having trouble finding a job. Personally I am making more money than I ever did under Clinton. The peace you speak about wasn't broken by Bush, the guys that crashed the jets into the world trade center and the pentagon broke that. As far as gas prices go I would say blame OPEC for that. When Clinton was Pres oil was $18 a barrel. Now it is $70. I doubt Bush had much to do about that.

Edited September 5, 2006 by Iniibig ko si Luz forever