Nazis Were Given ‘Safe Haven’ in U.S., Report Says

[tmma 467]

Some Nazis were given safe haven all over the world-terrible but true. Post WW2 countries were hungry for their STOLEN money and scientific research no matter how heinous the experiments were to get it.

There was complacency all over --from the Vatican-the USA-S America-Australia, parts of Europe ( Switzerland is a good example).

It's wrong, but not suprising.

Edited November 15, 2010 by tmma

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Written by Eric Lichtblau? That tells me a lot.

Of course, everybody knew that the brightest minds in Nazi-Germany were working for the Government, as there were not many privately- funded space programs and weapon development programs in place. More like zero. And the Government in the 1930s until 1945 was a Nazi Government . . . duhhh! For whom else would have they been working for? And what would have happened to them had they refused to work for the Nazis? They would have been killed!

Had it not been for the brilliant Germans who were leaders in about everything for Centuries, the US would not have had the atomic bomb and not the success in the space program. They wanted the German scientists, and they needed them in their goal to become World leaders!

Nobody cared, really, and it takes a Jewish journalist of German descent with a personal agenda to try to turn it into a story 75 years later. Nobody cared back then and very few care today, mostly Jews, as the folks of the Nazi regime are almost all dead and the few who are still sitting in a wheelchair will be dead very soon. I'm getting tired of this #######. No matter what you did back then, whether you were a university professor, a cop, or a "detention officer," you either worked for the Nazi-Government or you were eliminated. There was just no choice and there is really no point in trying to keep the wounds bleeding.

John Demjanjuk <--- Here is a man being prosecuted by the German government on nothing more than hearsay. Germany is full of ex NAZI criminals yet the German government goes out of it's way to extradite this man. Germany knows who and where it hides it's NAZI's. so why does Germany go out of it's way to prosecute some old Ukrainian living in the USA ?

I do believe Germany would be better off cleaning out the skeletons in it's own closet first before looking elsewhere.

[sly_wolf 199]

The real problem is that genocide still happens today and continues to go on. So what have we learned from the past ..... nothing ...... all we do is gripe about the past.

There will always be evil people and many that will follow them to hell and back.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

The real problem is that genocide still happens today and continues to go on. So what have we learned from the past ..... nothing ...... all we do is gripe about the past.

There will always be evil people and many that will follow them to hell and back.

Griping and/or debating is what this forum is about. What's important...at least imo is that the perps pay for their crimes...it helps in regards to sending a message out to future genociders/murderers.

Many NAZI and Bolshevik butchers never paid for their inhumane crimes against humanity...and most likely they never will.

[Heracles 417]

Nobody cared, really, and it takes a Jewish journalist of German descent with a personal agenda to try to turn it into a story 75 years later. Nobody cared back then and very few care today, mostly Jews, as the folks of the Nazi regime are almost all dead and the few who are still sitting in a wheelchair will be dead very soon. I'm getting tired of this #######. No matter what you did back then, whether you were a university professor, a cop, or a "detention officer," you either worked for the Nazi-Government or you were eliminated. There was just no choice and there is really no point in trying to keep the wounds bleeding.

The WWII card has been used for decades now, do you expect anything to change? Israel has repetitively disrespected other countries with the latest being the falsification of passports. Therefore, it was about time [aka convenient] another WWII story came out. Unfortunately for Israel, excluding the US, no one else buys that sympathy ####### anymore.

Edited November 15, 2010 by Heracles

[Heracles 417]

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[sly_wolf 199]

Griping and/or debating is what this forum is about. What's important...at least imo is that the perps pay for their crimes...it helps in regards to sending a message out to future genociders/murderers.

Many NAZI and Bolshevik butchers never paid for their inhumane crimes against humanity...and most likely they never will.

Therefore they also know they can continue even today.

[Heracles 417]

Griping and/or debating is what this forum is about. What's important...at least imo is that the perps pay for their crimes...it helps in regards to sending a message out to future genociders/murderers.

Many NAZI and Bolshevik butchers never paid for their inhumane crimes against humanity...and most likely they never will.

Genocide happens all of the time and we ignore it. Turkey will not even admit they committed genocide against Armenians in WWI, why are they not held accountable? Germany has paid retribution, whereas Turkey will not even admit their wrongdoing.

Edited November 15, 2010 by Heracles

[Brother Hesekiel 2,235]

Let's take a step back and look at the cause of the Middle East crisis.

Yep, Israel, a country founded on land stolen from the Palestinians. If there was no Israel, there would be no Middle East crisis, no suffering, no deliberate genocide of the Palestinian people, which to this day only survive because of the neighboring nations.

Every country spoke out against Israel's Flottilla slaughter a few months back, except the US, of course. You may or may not know that the President's Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, is also an Israeli citizen, and that the Secretary of State's daughter is married to an Israeli citizen.

Draw your own conclusions; stating the obvious is tiring.

Edited November 15, 2010 by Just Bob

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Let's take a step back and look at the cause of the Middle East crisis.

Yep, Israel, a country founded on land stolen from the Palestinians. If there was no Israel, there would be no Middle East crisis, no suffering, no deliberate genocide of the Palestinian people, which to this day only survive because of the neighboring nations.

Every country spoke out against Israel's Flottilla slaughter a few months back, except the US, of course. You may or may not know that the President's Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, is also an Israeli citizen, and that the Secretary of State's daughter is married to an Israeli citizen.

Draw your own conclusions; stating the obvious is tiring.

It was Israel before it was anything. If anyone needs to go it's the Arabs.

[^_^ 5,021]

It was Israel before it was anything. If anyone needs to go it's the Arabs.

Where did the Arabs come from?

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Genocide happens all of the time and we ignore it. Turkey will not even admit they committed genocide against Armenians in WWI, why are they not held accountable? Germany has paid retribution, whereas Turkey will not even admit their wrongdoing.

And what about Japan and what was done in China, in the rape of Nanking back in 1937? People seem to forget that one too.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It was Israel before it was anything. If anyone needs to go it's the Arabs.

Do you ever deal in reality, or is your Klown kap just tied too tight?

[Atencio 43]

Let's take a step back and look at the cause of the Middle East crisis.

Yep, Israel, a country founded on land stolen from the Palestinians.

Draw your own conclusions; stating the obvious is tiring.

You need to learn the obvious first.

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.

"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

Zuhair Mohsen

[Danno 1,228]

That's not what I have ever said, but, it is what you read because you hate having to deal with the comparison. The folks who complain about non-Muslim mass murder are trying to impose a double standard that not only requires an absolute denial of inconvenient historical fact, but depends on exaggerating the terrorist threat in a way the intentially, or unintentionally smears all Muslims and their faith with the actions of a few. This is the same "them v. us" emotional reaction that led to internment camps for "scary and suspect" Japanese Americans, while ignoring any possible division of disloyalty among German (White Christian) Americans, who were a closer fit to the perceived norm.

But, hey, that's just more inconvenient history, distracting from your agenda. Sorry.

internment of Italian Americans in the United States during World War II.

1941 to 1943

The general chronology of events regarding the treatment of enemy aliens and the reaction in the Italian community is as follows:

In the months immediately after the December 7, 1941, Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, hundreds of Italians were arrested. On December 11, Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy declared war on the United States. The United States reciprocated and entered World War II. By June 1942, the total reached 1,521 Italian aliens arrested by the FBI.[9] About 250 individuals were interned for up to two years in military camps in Montana, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Texas.

In late December 1941, enemy aliens throughout the United States, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands are required to surrender hand cameras, short-wave radio receiving sets and radio transmitters not later than 11 p.m. on the following Monday.[10]

In January 1942, all enemy aliens were required to register at local post offices around the country. As enemy aliens they were required to be fingerprinted, photographed, and carry their photo-bearing "enemy alien registration cards" at all times. Attorney General Francis M. Biddle assured enemy aliens that they would not be discriminated against if they were loyal. He cited Department of Justice figures: Of the 1,100,000 (sic) enemy aliens in the United States, 92,000 were Japanese, 315,000 were German, and 695,000 were Italian. In all, 2,972 had been arrested and held, mostly Japanese and Germans. Only 231 Italians had been arrested.[11]

On January 11, the New York Times reported that "Representatives of 200,000 Italian-American trade unionists appealed to President Roosevelt yesterday to 'remove the intolerable stigma of being branded as enemy aliens' from Italian and German nationals who had formally declared their intentions of becoming American citizens by taking out first papers before America's entry into the war."[12]

A few weeks later, the same newspaper reported that "…Thousands of enemy aliens living in areas adjacent to shipyards, docks, power plants and defense factories prepared today to find new homes as Attorney General Biddle added sixty-nine more districts in California to the earlier list of West Coast sections barred to Japanese, Italian and German nationals.[13]

On February 1, the Justice Department warned all aliens of enemy nationalities fourteen years of age or older that they had to register within the week if they lived in the states of Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, Montana, Utah or Idaho. Failure to do so could result in severe penalties, including internment for the duration of the war.[14]

Later in February, the Italian American Labor Council, founded by Luigi Antonini, met in New York and voiced "opposition to any blanket law for aliens that does not differentiate between those who are subversive and those who are loyal to America."[15]

In March, the War Relocation Authority is established (see above). Again, the relocation of citizens and non-citizens, alike, under this authority was legally quite different than the arrest and detention of foreign nationals under the Enemy Alien Act. By September 23, 1942, the Justice Department claimed "…From the time of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor until 1 September, 6,800 enemy aliens were apprehended in the United States and half of them have either been paroled or released."[16]

In October, the 600,000 unnaturalized Italians living in the United States were freed from the stigma of being alien enemies. The plan was approved by President Roosevelt and many restrictions were lifted. Members of the Italian community could now travel freely, own cameras and firearms, and were not required to carry ID cards.[17]

Italy's surrender on September 8, 1943 brought about the release of most of the Italian American internees by year's end. Some had been paroled months after "exoneration" by a second hearing board appealed for by their families. Nonetheless, most of the men had spent two years as prisoners, moving from camp to camp every three to four months.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Italian_Americans

German American Internment

World War I

President Woodrow Wilson issued two sets of regulations in April 6, 1917, and November 16, 1917, imposing restrictions on German-born male residents of the United States over the age of 14. Some 250,000 people in that category were required to register at their local post office, to carry their registration card at all times, and to report any change of address or employment. The same regulations and registration requirements were imposed on females on April 18, 1918.[1] Some 6,300 such aliens were arrested. Thousands were interrogated and investigated. A total of 2,048 were incarcerated for the remainder of the war in designated two camps, Fort Douglas, Utah, for those west of the Mississippi and Fort Oglethorpe, Georgia, for those east of the Mississippi.[2]

The cases of these aliens, whether being considered for internment or under internment, were managed by the Enemy Alien Registration Section of the Department of Justice, headed beginning in December 1917 by J. Edgar Hoover, then not yet 23 years old.[3]

Among the notable internees were the geneticist Richard Goldschmidt and 29 players from the Boston Symphony Orchestra.[4] Their music director, Karl Muck, spent more than a year at Fort Oglethorpe, as did the music director of the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra, Ernst Kunwald.[5]

Most internees were paroled on the orders of Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer in June 1919.[6] Some remained in custody until as late as March and April 1920.[7]

World War II

Locations of internment camps for German enemy aliens

Under the authority of the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, the United States government detained and interned over 11,000 Germans and German Americans at the start of World War II. In many cases, the families of the internees were allowed to remain together at internment camps in the U.S. In other cases, families were separated. Limited due process was allowed for those arrested and detained.

The population of alien Germans in the United States – not to mention American citizens of German birth – was far too large for a general policy of internment comparable to that used in the case of the Japanese in America.[8] Instead, Germans and German Americans in the U.S. were detained and evicted from coastal areas on an individual basis. The War Department considered mass expulsions from coastal areas for reasons of military security, but never executed such plans.[9]

A total of 11,507 people of German ancestry were interned during the war, accounting for 36% of the total internments under the Justice Department's Enemy Alien Control Program.[10] Such internments began with the detention of 1,260 Germans shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor.[11] Of the 254 persons evicted from coastal areas, the majority were German.[12]

In addition, over 4,500 ethnic Germans were brought to the U.S. from Latin America and similarly detained. The Federal Bureau of Investigation drafted a list of Germans in fifteen Latin American states whom it suspected of subversive activities and, following the attack on Pearl Harbor, demanded their eviction to the U.S. for detention.[13] The countries that responded expelled 4,058 people.[14] Some 10% to 15% were Nazi party members, including approximately a dozen who were recruiters for the NSDAP/AO, roughly the overseas arm of the Nazi party. Just eight were people suspected of espionage.[15] Also transferred were some 81 Jewish Germans who had recently fled persecution in Nazi Germany.[15] The bulk of those shipped from Latin America to the U.S. were not objects of suspicion. Many were residents of Latin America for years or, in some cases, decades.[15] In some instances, corrupt Latin American officials took the opportunity to seize their property. Sometimes financial rewards paid by American intelligence led to someone's identification and expulsion.[15] Several countries did not participate in the program, while others operated their own detention facilities.[15][16]

The U.S. internment camps to which Germans from Latin America were directed included:[15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans

Context is meaningful.

Most Japanese in this country (many non citizens) were located on the west coast. The West coast is exactly where we would expect Japan to enter or bomb the mainland from.

At that time the west coast was a large war-time manufacturing area ripe for effective bombing ... with the help of "on the ground" intel.

THough it may not have been known at the time IIRC, it was a Japanese national in Hawaii who was instrumental with providing Japan intel for that attack.

It wasn't irrational nor racial fear which prompted Roosevelt to relocate the Japanese....though as it turned out unnecessary.

I guarantee you if Japan had made it to our western shore line and we survived.... No one would have second guessed those internment camps for the Japanese, Italians or Germans.