Mexicans seething over Border Patrol killing of teen

[squirrely 0]

I'm not exactly pro-illegal immigration, but I'm not against it either. It's not a black and white issue, because it involves people with different personalities and motives. That said, jumping the border has risks associated with it, and the families of those people who do so know these risks beforehand. One of those risks is being killed by someone with a firearm. The kid didn't deserve to die, but he knew what he was getting into. Provoking people who have power over you never ends up well.

[Heracles 417]

I agree. These cliches about how "we're a country of immigrants" / "my great-grandfather came from Ireland with just a shirt on his back" / "unless you're a Native American, you're all immigrants" is getting real old, real fast.

Some of you need to wake up and realize that it's not the early 1900s anymore.

Spot on there.

I have never heard of such rhetorical idiocy prior to coming here. Yes, not even in Australia where one in four citizens [in 2010] was actually born abroad.

The Achilles Heel of the country is its use of history to formulate and justify responses to the challenges of the present. Once upon a time we did x, so surely this should work 200 years later right? Err Wrong. Dead wrong actually. Such a mindset is the very reason why crime flourishes in the US.

[HappyKnappy 30]

Do you realize it's the truth though. You had to get someone to the US at some point, and this happens everyday... Cliche or not, it's a reality. Funny how some are ready to deal what they got dealt before as far as hate, racism, etc. is concerned at some point. Illegals know what they are risking when they come here, so they do not have my sympathy.

Now, let's stick to facts. A boy, heck, let's say a young man to eliminate speculations, gets shot in the back of the head by a CBP officer ON THE MEXICAN SIDE OF THE BORDER. How big could a pebble be that this young man was able to throw it at a large distance? I am sorry, but a torn scalp is not equal to a bullet in the head...

Now, the other illegal that got fried in California. The ME ruled it a homicide. There are a lot of alternatives to control a hostile individual, why go directly to deadly force? In 3 words? Because they can. Fortunately I am not on that side of the spectrum, and that helps with being objective... Human rights are for all people, you should think that even if they do not have the right to work, make a living, or whatever, at least they would have the right not to be killed.

[HappyKnappy 30]

Spot on there.

I have never heard of such rhetorical idiocy prior to coming here. Yes, not even in Australia where one in four citizens [in 2010] was actually born abroad.

The Achilles Heel of the country is its use of history to formulate and justify responses to the challenges of the present. Once upon a time we did x, so surely this should work 200 years later right? Err Wrong. Dead wrong actually. Such a mindset is the very reason why crime flourishes in the US.

So the number of immigrants coming to America is so little that you don't even bother to consider it? No, it is not a country of immigrants... Guess what? You may want to double check on that... HMMMM you may be onto something with the crime bit, although not the way you may think.

[SMOKE 1,426]

let's stick to facts.

where did your facts come from? the 'shot in the back of the head' & 'How big could a pebble be that this young man was able to throw it at a large distance?'

did i miss that in the article? its possible, but i don't remember reading the back of the head or a metered distance.

[Captain Oates 910]

Spot on there.

I have never heard of such rhetorical idiocy prior to coming here. Yes, not even in Australia where one in four citizens [in 2010] was actually born abroad.

The Achilles Heel of the country is its use of history to formulate and justify responses to the challenges of the present. Once upon a time we did x, so surely this should work 200 years later right? Err Wrong. Dead wrong actually. Such a mindset is the very reason why crime flourishes in the US.

Does this mean you regard the Constitution of 1787 as outdated and invalid ?

or the declaration of independance should read - 'life, liberty and the pursuit of little brown people' ?

I am against illegals at least as much as most and I am against amnesty, driver's licenses, college subsidies etc etc and I am for more enforcement and higher penalties - but the idea that we should have a new approach where there is open season on people like they were jackrabbits is not the right response. That diminishes the very idea of America. Anything that dimishes America is anti-American but the people who propose it profess to be the most patriotic - it doesn't add up.

We who live here legally can achieve our anti-illegal aims in a cleverer way than that and solve the problem while making the U.S.look better at the same time.

I say smack the employers HARD and I mean HARD. These chicken plucking plants, orchard jockeys and cucumber fettlers are owned by rednecks who spout nationalism while employing the illegals. Let's get stuck into them.

Let's charge em with harboring criminals with a minimum jail sentence. I betcha that would make a dent in illegal immigration without turning ourselves into killers or throwing our laws and decency away..

[Nina~ 431]

Does this mean you regard the Constitution of 1787 as outdated and invalid ?

or the declaration of independance should read - 'life, liberty and the pursuit of little brown people' ?

I am against illegals at least as much as most and I am against amnesty, driver's licenses, college subsidies etc etc and I am for more enforcement and higher penalties - but the idea that we should have a new approach where there is open season on people like they were jackrabbits is not the right response. That diminishes the very idea of America. Anything that dimishes America is anti-American but the people who propose it profess to be the most patriotic - it doesn't add up.

We who live here legally can achieve our anti-illegal aims in a cleverer way than that and solve the problem while making the U.S.look better at the same time.

I say smack the employers HARD and I mean HARD. These chicken plucking plants, orchard jockeys and cucumber fettlers are owned by rednecks who spout nationalism while employing the illegals. Let's get stuck into them.

Let's charge em with harboring criminals with a minimum jail sentence. I betcha that would make a dent in illegal immigration without turning ourselves into killers or throwing our laws and decency away..

Now I see why you are VJ ladies' #1 internet boyfriend Move aside Maven

[SMOKE 1,426]

I say smack the employers HARD and I mean HARD. These chicken plucking plants, orchard jockeys and cucumber fettlers are owned by rednecks who spout nationalism while employing the illegals. Let's get stuck into them.

Let's charge em with harboring criminals with a minimum jail sentence. I betcha that would make a dent in illegal immigration without turning ourselves into killers or throwing our laws and decency away..

you were doing great until that comment, i've yet to see a 'redneck' ceo. the rest i agree w/ you 100%.

[Ban Hammer 12,901]

What I can't abide is people tapping into their politics where the police are always right and the colored illegals are always wrong.

around here in ot, it's usually the police (and other more descriptive phrases) are always wrong.

[Heracles 417]

So the number of immigrants coming to America is so little that you don't even bother to consider it? No, it is not a country of immigrants... Guess what? You may want to double check on that... HMMMM you may be onto something with the crime bit, although not the way you may think.

You missed the point. First world countries like AUS don't base decision on slogans like country of immigrants. They do what is best for the country in 2010, hence the uber high quality of life for their citizens. Had they had Mexico bordering them, they'd have built three walls and made Arizona's laws mandatory on a federal level. Heck, even with a non-existent illegal alien problem, you cannot use any government service period; let alone open a bank account, register a car, apply for a license, have a child and expect citizenship, send children to school, acquire foodstamps and so on.

Edited June 9, 2010 by Booyah!

[Ban Hammer 12,901]

I decided to find a job where I could work 9 to 5 Monday to Friday and be surrounded by attractive young women and have lots of money and fly Concorde and drive a top end Mercedes. I did.

you're james bond!

[Captain Oates 910]

Now I see why you are VJ ladies' #1 internet boyfriend Move aside Maven

Always room for another - so long as you have a visa - otherwise the red white and blue boys will shootya good and scalpya !!

[sachinky 464]

Does this mean you regard the Constitution of 1787 as outdated and invalid ?

Even the Constitution has been amended over the years in order to keep up with the changing times. But surely you knew that?

Edited June 9, 2010 by sachinky

[Heracles 417]

Does this mean you regard the Constitution of 1787 as outdated and invalid ?

or the declaration of independance should read - 'life, liberty and the pursuit of little brown people' ?

I am against illegals at least as much as most and I am against amnesty, driver's licenses, college subsidies etc etc and I am for more enforcement and higher penalties - but the idea that we should have a new approach where there is open season on people like they were jackrabbits is not the right response. That diminishes the very idea of America. Anything that dimishes America is anti-American but the people who propose it profess to be the most patriotic - it doesn't add up.

We who live here legally can achieve our anti-illegal aims in a cleverer way than that and solve the problem while making the U.S.look better at the same time.

I say smack the employers HARD and I mean HARD. These chicken plucking plants, orchard jockeys and cucumber fettlers are owned by rednecks who spout nationalism while employing the illegals. Let's get stuck into them.

Let's charge em with harboring criminals with a minimum jail sentence. I betcha that would make a dent in illegal immigration without turning ourselves into killers or throwing our laws and decency away..

Yes actually. Perhaps you can tell me of one other first world country that uses it verbatim? Most others amend theirs accordingly to reflect both the world and times they live in. After all, you did touch this regarding the second amendment did you not?

Going after employers alone is not feasible nor practical. It has to be a multifaceted approach; that is, from border protection to preventing illegals from using any taxpayer funded service. Furthermore, the biggest incentive to come here of all, the automatic granting of citizenship of those born here, has to close.

Against brown people augments are straw man in nature and simply attempt to divert from legitimate discussion on the issue.

Edited June 9, 2010 by Booyah!

[Brother Hesekiel 2,235]

You missed the point. First world countries like AUS don't base decision on slogans like country of immigrants. They do what is best for the country in 2010, hence the uber high quality of life for their citizens. Had they had Mexico bordering them, they'd have built three walls and made Arizona's laws mandatory on a federal level. Heck, even with a non-existent illegal alien problem, you cannot use any government service period; let alone open a bank account, register a car, apply for a license, have a child and expect citizenship, send children to school, acquire foodstamps and so on.

Amen, brother!