9/11 Documentary

[VivaMexico 0]

I would argue that the govt dropped the ball on this, which we know from the reports that the adminstration didn't take the terrorist threat warnings particularly seriously.

Ultimately oversight and bureaucratic incompetance is more the cause of 9/11 than some sort of coordinated plan involving some branches of government and law enforcement. After all secrets of that nature are not all that easy to keep.

To put it into context - this happened around the time when Bush was running the country from the golf course and spending all his time fishing in the country. I'm not saying he is to blame for what happened, but certainly its fair to say they got caught with their trousers down...

I think you forgot about Al Queda's explosive growth under the Clinton Administration and the fact that they had a chance to take out ole Osama and didn't do it.

Of course perhaps Bush should have been able to correct all of the previous Administration's mistakes in the 8 months that he was in office before 9/11

[Ban Hammer 12,842]

I would argue that the govt dropped the ball on this, which we know from the reports that the adminstration didn't take the terrorist threat warnings particularly seriously.

Ultimately oversight and bureaucratic incompetance is more the cause of 9/11 than some sort of coordinated plan involving some branches of government and law enforcement. After all secrets of that nature are not all that easy to keep.

To put it into context - this happened around the time when Bush was running the country from the golf course and spending all his time fishing in the country. I'm not saying he is to blame for what happened, but certainly its fair to say they got caught with their trousers down...

I think you forgot about Al Queda's explosive growth under the Clinton Administration and the fact that they had a chance to take out ole Osama and didn't do it.

Of course perhaps Bush should have been able to correct all of the previous Administration's mistakes in the 8 months that he was in office before 9/11

i am surprised no one has mentioned yet that one of the suicide pilots was released from an israeli jail thanks to action by clinton. and we saw how thankful that individual was

[yabasta 0]

With all due respect, the video's "theory" and your support of it do not stand.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

May i just ask which video you refer to? I did not post a video realting to the Pentagon that i am aware of. Once i can clarify what you refer to i can answer more fully.

[yabasta 0]

Oh i got you. In Plane SIte you mean? Well i have not supported the video i have just presented information. In Plane site simply shows footage that was shown on t.v. and points out things that appear odd etc. To simply say it does not stand up is not actually knocking it down.

[slim 1,514]

Why did tower 7 fall?

Why hasn't bin Laden been captured?

Why is there now a huge U.S. military presence directly encircling Iran? (That wasn't there on 10 Sep 2001?)

Why is oil $75/barrel?

DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE A PATTERN????

[yabasta 0]

I apologize for being rude. I will try to be nice from here on.

Now please, answer me at least one of the following questions:

How could anyone sneak tens of thousands of pounds of high explosives into two buildings with very good security and being used by tens of thousands of people on a daily basis?

Apology accepted. Please note in my reply that i am only offering a view point and i don`t actually claim to know with all certainty what happened or how it went down to the last detail.

It has been reported that there were power downs prior to the 11th of September 2001. these were said to be highly unusual. The interview was on a video i posted i think but if not i am sure it is out there. I have no idea how busy the WTC was at night or how secuirty could in fact be breached but Neil Bush i think it was(or one Bush brother) was in charge of security. This is perhaps the strongest direct link to Bush apart from his Bin Laden links.

How could the explosives be placed where they needed to be, yet out of sight so they wouldn't be discovered?

How could you wire hundreds of explosives into the power of the buildings without being discovered? (we'll assume the detonators have batteries that are used if/when the power goes out due to the planes)

Again these are all very specific points you are making as if they are the only way to do it. I am no expert on such operations and was not actually involved so i am not sure why you would expect me to know.

How do you prevent the explosives on the floors where the planes hit from going off too soon, due to a raging fire started by jet fuel and then continuing from the furniture, building materials, office materials, etc. for 60 to 105 minutes?

Well the south tower collapsed much sooner so who knows? Maybe they did go off too soon.

Again, you are the one advancing a theory that is far removed from what the vast majority of experts accept. You need to present adequate evidence supporting your theory. You cannot point to supposed "holes" or things you don't understand in the official consensus and use that as proof the consensus is wrong.

I have no definitive theory. As stated before i have questions for th emost part and find holes in what i have been told happened. There are theories that seem to have more weight to me based on evidence that i have provided but for the most part we are in the dark. Perhaps the biggest indication for me that the government is involved is the cover up of an independant investigation. For the most part this is now very tough as the evidence is destroyed and the crime scene is compromised. I present questions and indicate where i see issues or errors. That is all i can do really.

[ual777 0]

Why did tower 7 fall?

Why hasn't bin Laden been captured?

Why is there now a huge U.S. military presence directly encircling Iran? (That wasn't there on 10 Sep 2001?)

Why is oil $75/barrel?

DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE A PATTERN????

Yes, you are being paranoid.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I would argue that the govt dropped the ball on this, which we know from the reports that the adminstration didn't take the terrorist threat warnings particularly seriously.

Ultimately oversight and bureaucratic incompetance is more the cause of 9/11 than some sort of coordinated plan involving some branches of government and law enforcement. After all secrets of that nature are not all that easy to keep.

To put it into context - this happened around the time when Bush was running the country from the golf course and spending all his time fishing in the country. I'm not saying he is to blame for what happened, but certainly its fair to say they got caught with their trousers down...

I think you forgot about Al Queda's explosive growth under the Clinton Administration and the fact that they had a chance to take out ole Osama and didn't do it.

Of course perhaps Bush should have been able to correct all of the previous Administration's mistakes in the 8 months that he was in office before 9/11

Oh I agree - I don't much rate Clinton either but the fact remains that in the months leading up to 9/11 (the worst act of aggression carried out of US soil, Bush was effectively on holiday. Never mind the comprehensive balls up he has made of the US' foreign relations.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I think you forgot about Al Queda's explosive growth under the Clinton Administration and the fact that they had a chance to take out ole Osama and didn't do it.

Of course perhaps Bush should have been able to correct all of the previous Administration's mistakes in the 8 months that he was in office before 9/11

First: It was not only the Clinton Administration that had a chance to grab Osama and did not.

Second: It was not the Clinton Administration that armed and trained Osama.

Third: Bush has not been in Office for 8 months when 9/11 happened. He had been on vacation for at least 6 and in office maybe 2. Thus the massive failure...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think you forgot about Al Queda's explosive growth under the Clinton Administration and the fact that they had a chance to take out ole Osama and didn't do it.

Of course perhaps Bush should have been able to correct all of the previous Administration's mistakes in the 8 months that he was in office before 9/11

First: It was not only the Clinton Administration that had a chance to grab Osama and did not.

Second: It was not the Clinton Administration that armed and trained Osama.

Third: Bush has not been in Office for 8 months when 9/11 happened. He had been on vacation for at least 6 and in office maybe 2. Thus the massive failure...

And yet we still take credit for the collapse of Soviet communism

[Heracles 417]

What theory is ridiculous exactly? The idea that the people responsible lied to cover up what happened? Seems plausible to me. If you commit a crime there is a good chance you want to get away with it.

The real problem is that you denounce theories and yet the official story is ten times more unbelievable. Every stage of it makes you suspend the laws of physics and common sense and you come up with crazy theories to support your own sensibilities. It is time you woke up and actually looke dat the events of 9/11 more closely with less bias.

No offense but I am an engineer and the events definitely did not "suspend the laws of physics and common sense". Funny how every one with a BS 'theory' never bothers actually speaking to the people who were there or were part of any relief effort.

Maybe one should carefully examine the following photos, or are they part of the conspiracy??

9-11 Conspiracy Fact & Fiction

PS I am guessing the whole moon landing was a fake as well, right??

[Heracles 417]

Funny how Bush is the biggest, stupidest person to ever live.....but he can develop a huge conspiracy and carry it out while deceiving hundreds of millions of Americans.

Now that is a conspiracy... How can one who is apparently so stupid be capable, at the same time, of getting away with such a grand scheme.. wait wait, I got it!! His stupidity is an act, part of the plan.. Come to think of it, he may be a real life Manchurian Candidate, were Bush and his 'committee' are being brain washed..

I looked into Kevin Barrett's (head conspiracy theorists) bio... He is a literature major who thinks he's Einstein. I not surprised that a guy like Kevin has double standards. Like others with similar views, he hates the US yet continues to live there... Losers like him should be thrown out of the country.

Edited August 5, 2006 by Infidel

[yabasta 0]

No offense but I am an engineer and the events definitely did not "suspend the laws of physics and common sense". Funny how every one with a BS 'theory' never bothers actually speaking to the people who were there or were part of any relief effort.

Maybe one should carefully examine the following photos, or are they part of the conspiracy??

9-11 Conspiracy Fact & Fiction

PS I am guessing the whole moon landing was a fake as well, right??

Well if you are an engineer please answer the question that has yet to be answered. How did the towers come to the ground in almost freefall speed? If you as an engineer subscribe to the pancake theory then please explain why the floors provided no resistance. If you can come up with an answer to this then we can start getting into building 7 etc.

As for speaking to the people who were there please read the rest of the thread and see the video of firemen testimony which i linked to. There are plenty of witnesses that do not support the oficial story. What exactly do your pictures prove in your view?

What exactly does the moon landing have to do with the world trade centre? Trying to make the people who don`t buy the official lie seem crazy is really pathetic.

Now that is a conspiracy... How can one who is apparently so stupid be capable, at the same time, of getting away with such a grand scheme.. wait wait, I got it!! His stupidity is an act, part of the plan.. Come to think of it, he may be a real life Manchurian Candidate, were Bush and his 'committee' are being brain washed..

I looked into Kevin Barrett's (head conspiracy theorists) bio... He is a literature major who thinks he's Einstein. I not surprised that a guy like Kevin has double standards. Like others with similar views, he hates the US yet continues to live there... Losers like him should be thrown out of the country.

I shall state again for you that whilst many people state that Bush did it. Most people who look into this type of thing know that Bush is not likely the brains behind the operation if he was even involved. Bush being a Skull and Bones member i have little doubt that he is probably controlled whether it be mind control or just doing what daddy says.

Kevin Barrett is not head conspiracy theorist for a start and where do you get the idea that he hates America? That would include him hating himself as an American i guess? People who do not agree with government have just as much right to live in the country.

[rclouse 0]

God, this is still alive?

Well if you are an engineer please answer the question that has yet to be answered. How did the towers come to the ground in almost freefall speed? If you as an engineer subscribe to the pancake theory then please explain why the floors provided no resistance. If you can come up with an answer to this then we can start getting into building 7 etc.

"The claims that the explosions and fires would not have generated enough heat to cause the building to collapse are nonsense," Partin told THE NEW AMERICAN. "Steel doesn't have to 'melt' as some of these people claim. The yield strength of steel drops very dramatically under heat, and the impact of the airliners would have severely impacted the support columns. When they could no longer support the upper stories and the top started coming down, the dynamic loading caused a very rapid collapse, or 'pancaking,' that would have very nearly approached free-fall rate. No demolition charges were needed to accomplish this."

I know you've invested a lot in believing there's a conspiracy, but you'd do yourself a big favor if you'd just give it up and move on. There was no conspiracy by anyone but Al Qaeda to attack the US.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I shall state again for you that whilst many people state that Bush did it. Most people who look into this type of thing know that Bush is not likely the brains behind the operation if he was even involved. Bush being a Skull and Bones member i have little doubt that he is probably controlled whether it be mind control or just doing what daddy says.

The Manchurian Candidate...