The Hot & Sexy Women of the Kyivan Rus thread

[baron555 934]

Well....I first met my RW wife on Elenas Models. I looked at the nice photos on the online catalog, picked out what I liked and sent expressions of interest. Obviously she only responded back to me after reading my nicely detailed profile and we went offline with our correspondence after receiving my nice intro letter. She later indicated that I was Interesting to Her and my looks were pleasant to her. Her looks were more than pleasant to me but we were both above that and looking for more than that and later determined we both had much in common and now are married.

And we both intend for it to last forever and work at the relationship with that in mind.

She has admitted to former boyfriends' being dropped out of her life due to drinking priorities or that later none would give her the time of day once she started fostering the young child. So her search went beyond her border due in part to the same media hype that tells us men that there are these "typical hotties looking only for family stability" over there. Also she knew, as a hair dresser, many women who had or knew someone who had been involved in a foreign relationship.

So, yes my wife is very hot looking. She will always ask for just a few minutes for 'small cosmetics" even if we are just going to take the car to the gas station. Does she turn heads? Yes Does she dress for the attention? No, that's just how she is. Like the other Alla, jeans and boots and a smattering of cosmetics is all it takes. (Plus maintaining a healthy lifestyle and diet.)

Do I hate American women? No but I used to date quite a few earlier and back further. Are they all slobs, etc? No, but quite a few are, despite their nice personalities. And I know and meet quite a few with my work and my hobbies; nothing ever clicked or there never was any interest (from either).

Many women are very much into their careers and value that first. Many have children and much baggage from previous marriages. Many are just man-haters. Many are very nice but usually go for the younger men; I don't know any American women who would value relationship, family & stability before age.

My RW doesn't mind an age difference; we are the best of friends. We plan and do most everything together (but we still have our private time to ourselves, which we both encourage to the other).

And my Alla has personally met and spent some time with Gary's Alla. He tells the truth; she is as remarkable as he describes (and she is into him just as well).

[visaveteran 0]

I promise you, if I didn't notice how she looks I would be in trouble. She would be terribly offended and that is the truth. Funny that you can troll the UK/Canada/Australia/MENA forum all day and never find a man bragging about his wife's looks. (maybe that's what bothers them so much) Yes, Alla makes an effort to look good, for me and for the world in general and most of all...for herself. She simply does not feel good if she isn't looking her best and THAT is a big difference between FSU and American women.

As far as any talk of abuse, I would NEVER EVER abuse my wife and do not agree with the fact that such things are done in their culture. Neither do they. Alcoholism and abuse are the leading cause of divorce in the FSU. Alla's words were, and are..."Don't get drunk and don't beat me and I will do anything for you. Get drunk or beat me and I will be gone" It is preposterous that anyone would get the impression we abuse our wives in any way or that they would accept it. VisaVeterans comments were regarding some old traditions in Russia and FSU and old beliefs (actually some still believe it) I never took that to mean HE agreed or did it. If one ever would read or study Russian literature, it is FULL of tales of spousal abuse (both men and women being abused) and even their Fairy tales told to children are full of abuse. It isn't acceptable to myself or my wife, nor do I think anyone in this forum.

(Note to Moderators: I am not reopening a closed thread...I'm directly responding to a post on this thread with a relevant reply.)

Gary, you interpreted my comments about Russia's traditions of spouse abuse fairly and accurately...unlike others who dishonestly said I advocated wife abuse. I challenge anyone to quote one comment I made that either advocated abuse towards women or that I, myself, abused anyone. I am fairly certain any such comments would not stand up against the moderators reviews. All my comments are still viewable even though I recommended the entire thread be taken down as I judged it deteriorated from an open discussion to personal attacks and insults.

As I said, my ex wife, who I was married to for many years, would laugh at such assertions of abuse. My current wife of two and a half years has shared with me what life was like in the outer village she grew up in...including the accepted practice of wife abuse which was typical of Russian village life. And the tolerance some women showed towards this treatment...some even expecting it in the name of having a "strong husband." This is coming directly from my wife who lived through this milieu...I don't make stuff up. I will add that her demeanor in discussing this issue was matter of fact and not with anger or despair or as a "victim." She spoke of it like she might speak of what type of food they ate in the village.

Sorry to those that can't deal with this, but as they say: "It is Russia." It's too bad if non Russian posters can't deal with the reality of Russian life outside of the facade of civil life in Moscow and St. Petersburg...or have to overly dramatize what Russian themselves, at least those living in the midst of this reality, accept as life as usual. It is my assumption that modern day, middle class, Russian women from the larger cities would be less accepting of abusive husbands and would leave their abusive husbands. There would be less social stigma to leave your husband and get a divorce. I also judge that s Russia moves furthr away from it's fuedal and communist social systems, the spusal abuse tradition will diminish.

My personal view of these women is that they were strong enough to survive this abuse and even remained loving and loyal to their abusive husbands. This only raises my respect and awe at the strength and endurance and capability to love their men...deep flaws and all. And I remain convinced that this is part of the social evolution and "cause and effect" of small town Russian women expecting men to be strong, decisive leaders, and protectors. This may stir up issues with people who see everything in the world through their own "American" values and judgments.

Tough.

It seems paradoxical that there are some on the forum who like to invoke the 1st amendment and the ACLU, yet become the biggest advocates of stifling open discussion and promote censorship. Insults, false accusations and distortions of truth often follow. For these people let me be clear:

I DO NOT ADVOCATE ANY FORM OF PHYSICAL OR PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE OF SPOUSES OR WOMEN IN GENERAL. I HAVE NEVER ABUSED ANY WOMAN, WIVES OR OTHERS IN ANY WAY. I DO NOT HATE ANY INDIVIDUAL WOMAN OR GROUP OF WOMEN.

GOT IT?

Concerning demeaning American women, I hope we all still have the right to have opinions about American or Russian women. If someone doesn't like Americans as a general group, I hear no complaints...in fact their are many liberal/radical Americans who don't like Americans or their way of life. The truth is there is no "classic American woman"...as that subgroup is so diverse in education, age, race, original national origin, US location, and religion to truly be a "distinct subgroup."

None of us knows ALL American women...we know our small circle of women that have appeared in our lives; we make judgments from our experiences with those women. So, perhaps we should qualify our judgments with "I" statements and reveal the group of which we speak. For instance, I can honestly say I have had disappointing experiences with American women in MY life and MY social circle. This includes my much older sister who treated me poorly most of my life. I can further say that in MY life and MY experiences, Russian women have treated me better, were better looking, were more loving, and some were better educated. I am not in a position to speak about all American women or Russian women.

[Mary and Jeff 0]

You can feel free to make whatever assumptions you like and post insults about me or my wife because the moderators do not agree with me and will never take action against you, it is OK to post anything if it is against Gary and Alla. I am not one of the "protected class" Neither are FSU women. Blast away.

It seems I notice that many people assume the worst when I say "My wife is from Ukraine" they immediately have this look that I made a colossal mistake getting a "mail order bride." Then, when they meet my wife in person, they see that with the beauty, there is an intelligent wonderful woman , and immediately afterward they know I am a very lucky man.

I think that if people haven't experienced the way many FSU women act... (to me it is hard to describe, it is more "natural" or "feminine" whatever it is, all I know is I love it.) they cannot give an accurate opinion or judge what we say about our wives. Our experince with them is beyond just positive, it is like each day is a miracle that we found each other.

I think earlier I read some people say we are tearing down our siters and mothers when we don't prefer American women. I completely disagree, American women are wonderful mothers and sisters.... they are just not good wives (my wife's comment)

[leith@Ievgeniia 8]

I think that if people haven't experienced the way many FSU women act... (to me it is hard to describe, it is more "natural" or "feminine" whatever it is, all I know is I love it.) they cannot give an accurate opinion or judge what we say about our wives. Our experince with them is beyond just positive, it is like each day is a miracle that we found each other.

:thumbs:

thanks for making that super clear!!! and i have to totally agree with it!!

[Ban Hammer 14,609]

i'm gonna have to print and frame mox's reply above . then check the temp outside because it seems hell froze over.

[SMOKE 1,426]

i think i'm gonna get sick.

[1HappyGuy 45]

It seems pretty clear that a lot of visitors to the RUB forum have impressions of what the American men, here, were looking for when we met and married our FSU women. Unfortunately, it is easy to generalize about things but, everyone that has met and married a FSU woman has done so for various reasons. Some were never married before and others have been divorced for some time. Whatever the reason, it seems very clear that the men in this forum are very proud of their wives.

If we describe them as hotties, that's just an indication of how we feel about them. In most cases, the women are very highly intelligent, very educated, hard working and very motivated to improve their life. We do tend to get stuck on some consistent themes (guns & pie come to mind) but in the short view, we are just very happy with our FSU wives. Some of us, myself included, have complained about the American woman, usually when comparing them to our current wives. I think that is natural since we are now experiencing a life with a woman of a different culture. But that does not mean we feel all American women are bad. Using stereotypes is almost always wrong. It does seem to me that one consistent theme expressed by others is that we men are all fat, bald and make good money. I have yet to see someone here complain about this stereotype and yet we seem to be accused of doing the same thing towards others.

For me, I have a hard time understanding why non RUB's frequent this forum so much. I thought the idea about the regional forums was to share experiences and ideas with those that might have similar experiences and help each other. Perhaps it is because we do tend to have a lot of fun with each other that we have so many visitors.

Regarding the discussion about abuse, that is something that each individual must understand with their spouse. I have never understood spousal abuse, but I do understand it happens a lot more in other cultures. The fact that it is not a very predominant aspect of American men is probably one reason we are considered good husband throughout the world.

Let's all just see if we can tone down the rhetoric towards the subject of abuse and instead focus on the positive aspects of why we are all on this website.

[clueless_in_usa 8]

If we describe them as hotties, that's just an indication of how we feel about them. In most cases, the women are very highly intelligent, very educated, hard working and very motivated to improve their life. We do tend to get stuck on some consistent themes (guns & pie come to mind) but in the short view, we are just very happy with our FSU wives. Some of us, myself included, have complained about the American woman, usually when comparing them to our current wives. I think that is natural since we are now experiencing a life with a woman of a different culture. But that does not mean we feel all American women are bad. Using stereotypes is almost always wrong. It does seem to me that one consistent theme expressed by others is that we men are all fat, bald and make good money. I have yet to see someone here complain about this stereotype and yet we seem to be accused of doing the same thing towards others.

I wish I could meet the WHOLE profile, but I lack on the good part of it

I guess that I am not the only one

[*julez* 124]

Dude...that's exactly what I said when I saw your post.

Awwwwwwww....you two are so cute.

[visaveteran 0]

Nobody is more critical of the moderators than me. Nobody. And of all the moderators that I'm critical of, nobody even comes close to being more critical of Charles than I am. When we're talking about people whose judgment I have almost zero respect for, you're a blip on the scale that he pegs out on.

So when I say that Charles was dead on right in his response to your little bit of indignation, try to understand just how much that means. You have been given SO much leeway on these forums that I honestly can't figure out why Ewok just doesn't turn your account off for general purpose. You say the most hateful, derogatory, spiteful things all over VJ, and yet you are still here, still allowed to speak your mind, still allowed to spread whatever the hell bitterness you just can't seem to get over except through denigration and parading your wife like a show dog. I can only conjecture as to why that is...maybe Ewok believes in your freedom of speech to a fault, or maybe it's that you're just such an over-the-top parody of yourself that the amusement factor is just too good to pass up. Who knows.

So no. The moderators don't have it in for you. Not even close--the exact opposite actually. I'm sure, like many of us, they're disgusted by your very presence, but I think it's pretty safe to say that you've enjoyed more protection from the moderators than anyone else could ever expect.

I hear your judgments about Gary and the moderators..and what they're based on I have no idea. I mean, how do you know why moderators do what they do...or how they perceive Gary? This is a style I have seen before...that you're such an insider you feel free to speak out against others with personal attacks and bold insults, including sideways insults towards wives, without fear of consequences.

If anyone is angry and bitter on this forum, it's you. You who feel you're the forum tough sheriff and have the authority to enforce your grandiose self-importance and unchallengeable wisdom upon the lowly other posters who see things that don't fit your view of things. Why the moderators tolerate YOU is what surprises me. Name calling, blatant insults, Sideways comments about people wives...it all amazes me.

If I were a moderator, I'd suspend you for calling someone's wife a "show dog." You who claim to be an advocate of women. Frankly, I can say that at least Gary has proven to us he actually has a wife...something you have failed to do, at least to my satisfaction.

I throw one of your own quotes, recently directed at me, back at you...Mox, get over yourself. This is an anonymous internet forum, not an encounter group. Stop acting like a cartoon hero defending his cartoon kingdom.

And, if nothing else, how about minding your own damn business?

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

It seems I notice that many people assume the worst when I say "My wife is from Ukraine" they immediately have this look that I made a colossal mistake getting a "mail order bride." Then, when they meet my wife in person, they see that with the beauty, there is an intelligent wonderful woman , and immediately afterward they know I am a very lucky man.

I think that if people haven't experienced the way many FSU women act... (to me it is hard to describe, it is more "natural" or "feminine" whatever it is, all I know is I love it.) they cannot give an accurate opinion or judge what we say about our wives. Our experince with them is beyond just positive, it is like each day is a miracle that we found each other.

I think earlier I read some people say we are tearing down our siters and mothers when we don't prefer American women. I completely disagree, American women are wonderful mothers and sisters.... they are just not good wives (my wife's comment)

I agree, my sisters are great sisters! There, I said something nice about American women!

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

Nobody is more critical of the moderators than me. Nobody. And of all the moderators that I'm critical of, nobody even comes close to being more critical of Charles than I am. When we're talking about people whose judgment I have almost zero respect for, you're a blip on the scale that he pegs out on.

So when I say that Charles was dead on right in his response to your little bit of indignation, try to understand just how much that means. You have been given SO much leeway on these forums that I honestly can't figure out why Ewok just doesn't turn your account off for general purpose. You say the most hateful, derogatory, spiteful things all over VJ, and yet you are still here, still allowed to speak your mind, still allowed to spread whatever the hell bitterness you just can't seem to get over except through denigration and parading your wife like a show dog. I can only conjecture as to why that is...maybe Ewok believes in your freedom of speech to a fault, or maybe it's that you're just such an over-the-top parody of yourself that the amusement factor is just too good to pass up. Who knows.

So no. The moderators don't have it in for you. Not even close--the exact opposite actually. I'm sure, like many of us, they're disgusted by your very presence, but I think it's pretty safe to say that you've enjoyed more protection from the moderators than anyone else could ever expect.

Your just upset because I didn't let you dodge tough questions in the guns and pie forum and you had to run off after hurling insults. I see we are back to that. I win again.

You make sideways comments that have no meaning and frankly make you look silly (saying every one of 7500 posts is about how my wife looks, not even remotely close) Review this thread, review them all and see who makes the most hateful comments. Me? I think not. Some guys in the RUB forum get together and talk about their wives and before we get past page one, there is Mox apologizing for us and trying to change the subject. I do not need you to apologize and change the subject, go to another thread...guns and pie, the one you started and then ran away from.

I see that the moderators have already reviewed your hateful comments, your derogatory description of my wife and myself and passed on it as usual. I won't bother reporting it, as I said, it is open season on Gary anyway. Isn't there a Pitcairn Islands sub-forum?

[Joe_&_Nadiya 1]

The problem that people who never ever been in FSU or read about Soviet Union they will never understand you, Gary. Everyone is lucky in his own way. Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are very similar countries. We are born in Soviet Union, Soviet Time! To be feminie, to be a good in any ways, to keep house in clean, to have ALWAYS good look, children are always clean and fed, plus work, plus car, plus millions details a day, it's in our blood, it's in our genes, we are not lazy people. We were taught to be strong in any situations, we women don't care about barriers or how it will be difficult, we care about people who around us so that they can feel happy and lucky with us! It's secrets which coming from generations. It's impossible destroy it!!!

Unfortunately, many Russian or Ukrainian men like to drink, it's a fact. Oh well..

Nadiya.

[~Jackie~ 30]

...kinda late to this thread, Baron did you just say you picked her out of a catalog?

What is an FSU? (we got some STFU over in MENA

Jackie

Star Member

[Oksana81 0]

...kinda late to this thread, Baron did you just say you picked her out of a catalog?

What is an FSU? (we got some STFU over in MENA

Jackie

Star Member

FSU=Former Soviet Union.