Onlookers laugh during teen girl's gang rape

[Heracles 417]

I think these things are usually the exception, BY.

You make it sound like the outside world is a war zone.

So I guess the two separate articles, in completely different areas, discussing the increase in violence by teenagers are wrong then? Once again, external evidence is apparently incorrect, however, your opinion is what matters.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm not disputing it.

Quite simply - it doesn't prove your claim about a wholesale breakdown in society from decades past to now.

[Heracles 417]

I'm not disputing it.

Quite simply - it doesn't prove your claim about a wholesale breakdown in society from decades past to now.

The United States has a big problem with crime and now a growing problem with teenagers. That is all I am pointing out. Even when population is factored in, such incidents are nowhere near as prevalent as they are here. Not even by a long shot. Teens here clearly do not give a #### about anyone else. Hence the taking photos and laughing, while someone is having their life destroyed. Not to mention this girl was bashed. At least Australian kids would have had the decency and common sense to have jumped in and stopped them or at the very least called immediately called the cops. Knowing Aussies, they would have jumped in and knocked these guys out.

I don't know about the UK, but the moral standing of America is not perceived as something to aspire to by Australians. Quite the opposite actually. For whatever reasons, the US has some serious issues with teens and needs to start cracking down on them and their lawless (above the law) attitude. #### prison, they need to be punished and humiliated in public for every one of their peers to see it.

Adults make the rules and run the show, not teens. Most obvious difference between the US to AUS is the parenting, or lack of. I blame parents here as they clearly allow their kids to run wild and have put them on some sort of better than everyone (center of the world) pedestal. Where even the poor ghetto loser thinks they are cool.

Edited October 27, 2009 by Booyah!

[Jasman0717 8]

Sick

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Australia doesn't have the monopoly on good human nature, nor does the US have a monopoly on the bad.

[MONIQ 0]

Australia doesn't have the monopoly on good human nature, nor does the US have a monopoly on the bad.

Exactly!

[Heracles 417]

Australia doesn't have the monopoly on good human nature, nor does the US have a monopoly on the bad.

No it doesn't and never said it did. However the vast differences in society and culutre are evident. Sorry bud but Aussies have not made thuggery and ghetto cool, which is ironic considering they were convicts.

Anyway, Australia is just one of many examples. Lets compare the country to Canada, Finland or Sweden. Better yet, lets compare Vermont or Maine to CA. This vast difference in culture and attitude is why Europe is ranked highly, while the US is ranked poorly. We have allowed the crud of society to call the shots and drag the rest of the country to their Neanderthal knuckle ways. Or is poverty to blame for such crimes?

Edited October 27, 2009 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Australia doesn't have the monopoly on good human nature, nor does the US have a monopoly on the bad.

No it doesn't and never said it did. However the vast differences in society and culutre are evident. Sorry bud but Aussies have not made thuggery and ghetto cool, which is ironic considering they were convicts.

Anyway, Australia is just one of many examples. Lets compare the country to Canada, Finland or Sweden. Better yet, lets compare Vermont or Maine to CA.

BY - you act as though entire countries have a single amorphous culture. It just isn't the case - certainly not in the case of a country as large and as diverse as the USA.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Australia doesn't have the monopoly on good human nature, nor does the US have a monopoly on the bad.

No it doesn't and never said it did. However the vast differences in society and culutre are evident. Sorry bud but Aussies have not made thuggery and ghetto cool, which is ironic considering they were convicts.

Anyway, Australia is just one of many examples. Lets compare the country to Canada, Finland or Sweden. Better yet, lets compare Vermont or Maine to CA. This vast difference in culture and attitude is why Europe is ranked highly, while the US is ranked poorly. We have allowed the crud of society to call the shots and drag the rest of the country to their Neanderthal knuckle ways. Or is poverty to blame for such crimes?

The were failed criminals.... they got caught.

[Heracles 417]

Australia doesn't have the monopoly on good human nature, nor does the US have a monopoly on the bad.

No it doesn't and never said it did. However the vast differences in society and culture is evident. Sorry bud but Aussies have not made thuggery and ghetto cool, which is ironic considering they were convicts.

Anyway, Australia is just one of many examples. Lets compare the country to Canada, Finland or Sweden. Better yet, lets compare Vermont or Maine to CA.

BY - you act as though entire countries have a single amorphous culture. It just isn't the case - certainly not in the case of a country as large and as diverse as the USA.

As highlighted in red, it does not.

The huge disparity in crime stats speaks for itself. Some US states actually have lower crime rates than even European nations. They must be wealthy states? wrong!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...s_by_crime_rate

Edited October 27, 2009 by Booyah!

[Sandrila 1]

I live in Philadelphia...you know "City of Brotherly Love" and the amount of senseless killings by guns is staggering.

An example of how teenagers and young adults have lost their damn mind....just look up how many cops have been getting killed over here in the last year alone....no respect for any authority, parental or legal.

Camden NJ is another example of a city near me, which I believe, has the one of the highest, if not the highest, crime rate in the country....

I am with Booyah on what i have been seeing from all sorts news outlets....kids are getting more brazen, disrespectful and out of control.

I say this because I have 2 teenage children myself and some of the things that come out of their mouths and what they do, though I thoroughly discourage them, is just off the charts. What they needed was to have a good asswhippin and head slappin a long long time ago....I believe it takes a village.

[Heracles 417]

The were failed criminals.... they got caught.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

[Peikko 1,575]

Australia doesn't have the monopoly on good human nature, nor does the US have a monopoly on the bad.

No it doesn't and never said it did. However the vast differences in society and culutre are evident. Sorry bud but Aussies have not made thuggery and ghetto cool, which is ironic considering they were convicts.

Anyway, Australia is just one of many examples. Lets compare the country to Canada, Finland or Sweden. Better yet, lets compare Vermont or Maine to CA.

BY - you act as though entire countries have a single amorphous culture. It just isn't the case - certainly not in the case of a country as large and as diverse as the USA.

BY, you don't seem to know much about your own culture either. There are a lot of novels and films that depict the underbelly of Australian society as well. While these films are of course fictional, they stem from reality, even if that reality is restricted to certain demographics, as it is in the US.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Australia doesn't have the monopoly on good human nature, nor does the US have a monopoly on the bad.

No it doesn't and never said it did. However the vast differences in society and culture is evident. Sorry bud but Aussies have not made thuggery and ghetto cool, which is ironic considering they were convicts.

Anyway, Australia is just one of many examples. Lets compare the country to Canada, Finland or Sweden. Better yet, lets compare Vermont or Maine to CA.

BY - you act as though entire countries have a single amorphous culture. It just isn't the case - certainly not in the case of a country as large and as diverse as the USA.

As highlighted in red, it does not.

The huge disparity in crime stats speaks for itself. Some US states actually have lower crime rates than even European nations. They must be wealthy states? wrong!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...s_by_crime_rate

OK, where is the real BY? The real BY does not cite references to back up any sort of statistic of factoid.

[Heracles 417]

I live in Philadelphia...you know "City of Brotherly Love" and the amount of senseless killings by guns is staggering.

An example of how teenagers and young adults have lost their damn mind....just look up how many cops have been getting killed over here in the last year alone....no respect for any authority, parental or legal.

Camden NJ is another example of a city near me, which I believe, has the one of the highest, if not the highest, crime rate in the country....

I am with Booyah on what i have been seeing from all sorts news outlets....kids are getting more brazen, disrespectful and out of control.

I say this because I have 2 teenage children myself and some of the things that come out of their mouths and what they do, though I thoroughly discourage them, is just off the charts. What they needed was to have a good asswhippin and head slappin a long long time ago....I believe it takes a village.

Just last week a car of teenage youths drove into a government housing block and shot up the teenagers standing outside, killing a few of them. I come from a city of 4 million and I have never heard of such a thing. Not to mention someone is murdered every few days in the capital. It was uncommon to have more than a handful of murders a year in my home city of 4 million.

How can anyone be oblivious to this problem? Freedom to live free of harm should override any and every amendment.