Words You Won't Hear in Canadian Health Care

[thetreble 19]

Not to digress here but....what's the deal with being 45...or 46...or whatever? Not every 45 yo woman has sagging tits and azz. Glad you're happy in your 20's...but I've seen some 20 something yo women looking just like you described.

Just sayin.

Well said BertieMae. I was wondering if I was the only woman around that found that comment interesting. Maybe because 40's right around the corner, for me, but what did the ageism remark have to do with healthcare? Is the new US system going to pay for an a$$ and ####### lift so I can look better in my old age?

I apologize for this as it wasn't meant at a dig at woman in their 40s. It was really said to make a point about him saying I was too young to understand the point he was making. Just because I'm 25, doesn't mean I'm a child. And I've seen some HOT looking 40 year olds so...sorry ladies, wasn't the right choice of words there!

[KarenCee 3]

Not to digress here but....what's the deal with being 45...or 46...or whatever? Not every 45 yo woman has sagging tits and azz. Glad you're happy in your 20's...but I've seen some 20 something yo women looking just like you described.

Just sayin.

Well said BertieMae. I was wondering if I was the only woman around that found that comment interesting. Maybe because 40's right around the corner, for me, but what did the ageism remark have to do with healthcare? Is the new US system going to pay for an a$ and ####### lift so I can look better in my old age?

I apologize for this as it wasn't meant at a dig at woman in their 40s. It was really said to make a point about him saying I was too young to understand the point he was making. Just because I'm 25, doesn't mean I'm a child. And I've seen some HOT looking 40 year olds so...sorry ladies, wasn't the right choice of words there!

NP Treb...just curious.

[Danno 1,228]

Should have known even a "Healthcare" thread can turn into a Boobs and Butt thread.

who has hot pics of nurses?

[KarenCee 3]

Ya dreamin' there...was there a mention of nurses' boobs and butts?

[DeadPoolX 9]

Okay, here's a compromise: both health care systems suck.

Are we done yet?

[KarenCee 3]

Okay, here's a compromise: both health care systems suck.

Are we done yet?

No...then no one would have anything to argue online about and what would life be without internet arguments!

[dalegg 143]

Okay, here's a compromise: both health care systems suck.

Are we done yet?

No...then no one would have anything to argue online about and what would life be without internet arguments!

You don't have to worry about that. Whether it passes or not we'll be talking about this forever. Either because it doesn't happen or because of the deficit.

[KarenCee 3]

Okay, here's a compromise: both health care systems suck.

Are we done yet?

No...then no one would have anything to argue online about and what would life be without internet arguments!

You don't have to worry about that. Whether it passes or not we'll be talking about this forever. Either because it doesn't happen or because of the deficit.

Oh I'm definitely not worried. VJ OT will always have something to discuss.

[Krikit 1,166]

The funds are removed as taxes from salaries at the employer level and are on a sliding scale. Quite minimal, actually. You may opt in to supplemental coverage or not, depending on whether your spouse/partner has coverage also. It is usually within your best interests to opt in as the amount is negligible. Some plans are better than others so if there are ceilings on one plan you would claim the additional expenses up to the ceiling and then claim the remainder on the other plan. Medical expenses above and beyond the amounts covered by the healthcare plans can be claimed as a deductible expense at tax time.

Yeah I just read that... 14%. A real bargain.

She'll have to chime in here, but I think that Treble may have been referring to the combined provincial sales tax (PST) and goods & services tax (GST) for the Province of Ontario. Sometimes both are applied on a sale, sometimes only one. And sometimes neither one. Each Province sets their own scale, much like each State in the US. These taxes are not specifically targeted for healthcare. Just a portion of tax revenue goes toward healthcare..... the rest is distributed to education, public housing, parks, transportation, etc. I honestly don't have any personal knowledge what percentage of someone's income is solely dedicated towards the funding of healthcare. I would need to do a bit of research to find those numbers. I do know, however, that it was relatively insignificant to me as attested by the fact that I did not notice, nor complain, how much was being collected or spent. Nor did it bother me, nor anyone else, that our taxes were being used to care for those in need. It was just the right thing to do. And my employer-provided supplemental care was just pennies on the dollar. I'm going to guesstimate it was about .04 cents. In addition to the outstanding supplemental healthcare I received, I was covered at 100% of my salary for a period of 132 sick days per annum. For any unlimited periods beyond that it would have dropped to 75%. I am fortunate enough not to have required any of that time. In addition to the aforementioned, I received 7 weeks fully paid vacation days per annum, not including the 10 statutory holidays mandated by the Ontario Ministry of Labour. I sometimes think I was crazy to move here.

[rebeccajo 14]

Well said BertieMae. I was wondering if I was the only woman around that found that comment interesting. Maybe because 40's right around the corner, for me, but what did the ageism remark have to do with healthcare? Is the new US system going to pay for an a$$ and ####### lift so I can look better in my old age?

Ooooooooooooh! I want some of that!

[ready4ONE 5,400]

The funds are removed as taxes from salaries at the employer level and are on a sliding scale. Quite minimal, actually. You may opt in to supplemental coverage or not, depending on whether your spouse/partner has coverage also. It is usually within your best interests to opt in as the amount is negligible. Some plans are better than others so if there are ceilings on one plan you would claim the additional expenses up to the ceiling and then claim the remainder on the other plan. Medical expenses above and beyond the amounts covered by the healthcare plans can be claimed as a deductible expense at tax time.

Yeah I just read that... 14%. A real bargain.

She'll have to chime in here, but I think that Treble may have been referring to the combined provincial sales tax (PST) and goods & services tax (GST) for the Province of Ontario. Sometimes both are applied on a sale, sometimes only one. And sometimes neither one. Each Province sets their own scale, much like each State in the US. These taxes are not specifically targeted for healthcare. Just a portion of tax revenue goes toward healthcare..... the rest is distributed to education, public housing, parks, transportation, etc. I honestly don't have any personal knowledge what percentage of someone's income is solely dedicated towards the funding of healthcare. I would need to do a bit of research to find those numbers. I do know, however, that it was relatively insignificant to me as attested by the fact that I did not notice, nor complain, how much was being collected or spent. Nor did it bother me, nor anyone else, that our taxes were being used to care for those in need. It was just the right thing to do. And my employer-provided supplemental care was just pennies on the dollar. I'm going to guesstimate it was about .04 cents. In addition to the outstanding supplemental healthcare I received, I was covered at 100% of my salary for a period of 132 sick days per annum. For any unlimited periods beyond that it would have dropped to 75%. I am fortunate enough not to have required any of that time. In addition to the aforementioned, I received 7 weeks fully paid vacation days per annum, not including the 10 statutory holidays mandated by the Ontario Ministry of Labour. I sometimes think I was crazy to move here.

You are not the only Canadian I know who has some regrets about moving here, although the closest Canadians I know maintain their Canadian coverage since she works for Canadian immigration, and travels nearly daily to work in Canada.

The "I don't want to pay for anyone else crowd" completely fails to realize how much they are already paying for others, paying to line the pockets of insurance corporations who have their best interests dead last in their corporate priority lists, in short a crappy system that uses way too much money simply to handle the financial end of medicine.

Has Canada come up with a cure for idiocracy? The US could sure use it if so!

[ready4ONE 5,400]

People that complain about paying for someone's health care in the US are already doing that in medicare, medicade and the military and their dependants.

They are paying for the uninsured through higher rates. They are paying more for their own services to cover the costs of the uninsured. They are paying in the form of others suffering personal bankruptcy, home foreclosure, needles deaths etc. regardless of if folks did or did not have 'medical coverage' in the current system when a medical crisis struck.

They foolishly believe, even though their health insurance is tied to their job, they will be covered when the need arises. They also foolishly cling to the notion their medical problems will be 'covered' by insurance companies who routinely find reasons not to cover medicines and procedures.

They would rather pay the highest cost per capita of any nation in the world, and shout we are number 42 in life expectancy! Or "Yay we beat Botswana in health care ranks!"

Edited July 23, 2009 by ready4ONE

[Ban Hammer 14,569]

People that complain about paying for someone's health care in the US are already doing that in medicare, medicade and the military and their dependants.

how about if they don't have health care, they have to join the military?

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People that complain about paying for someone's health care in the US are already doing that in medicare, medicade and the military and their dependants.

how about if they don't have health care, they have to join the military?

Yeah let's make 40 million people the military doesn't want part of the military. Let's bust that pension fund wide open.

[Ban Hammer 14,569]

People that complain about paying for someone's health care in the US are already doing that in medicare, medicade and the military and their dependants.

how about if they don't have health care, they have to join the military?

Yeah let's make 40 million people the military doesn't want part of the military. Let's bust that pension fund wide open.

gotta stay in it long enough to get a pension. care to give 20+ years of your life away to uncle sam?