Can we please just get along

[Ban Hammer 14,569]

No matter what anyone says the Palestinians have a right to exist. It's about time a US President has begun to show some sense about fostering relationships in the Arab world. We already pacify Israel. What else can they want from us? I was appalled by some of the tactics used in the recent Israeli/Palestianian conflict by Israel. Palestine may not be innocent but NEITHER is Israel.

the polls here on vj say differently.......

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=93170

click "show results" to see the answer....

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

No matter what anyone says the Palestinians have a right to exist. It's about time a US President has begun to show some sense about fostering relationships in the Arab world. We already pacify Israel. What else can they want from us? I was appalled by some of the tactics used in the recent Israeli/Palestianian conflict by Israel. Palestine may not be innocent but NEITHER is Israel.

the polls here on vj say differently.......

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=93170

click "show results" to see the answer....

does it (Palestine) have the right to exist?

yes [ 45 ] [70.31%]

no [ 13 ] [20.31%]

not sure [ 6 ] [9.38%]

What are you trying to say, Charles?

[scandal 951]

No matter what anyone says the Palestinians have a right to exist. It's about time a US President has begun to show some sense about fostering relationships in the Arab world. We already pacify Israel. What else can they want from us? I was appalled by some of the tactics used in the recent Israeli/Palestianian conflict by Israel. Palestine may not be innocent but NEITHER is Israel.

The Palestinians most certainly have a right to exist, and indeed they do exist. You'll find that there is a general consensus in Israel that at a minimum they should have some form of autonomy in a defined contiguous territory, and indeed many Israelis (myself included) support the notion of a full fledged Palestinian state.

Do you similarly recognize Israel's right to exist as a state in secure boundaries without fearing constant terror attacks on its civilian population?

In what way does America "pacify" Israel? I have a feeling I know what you are trying to say... but I'm guessing the word you want isn't "pacify"....

I'm not proud of some of the tactics that were apparently used either. Including white phosphorous in civilian areas. Then again, I'm not a military expert and was not there on the scene to judge. I do think the January campaign was justified given the incessant bombardment by Hamas and the continued armament coming through the tunnels from Rafiah. I would like to think that the IDF conducts itself according to the code it sets for itself, and that transgressions of that code are handled appropriately. That is what one would - and should - expect from the military of a civilized country that abides by Geneva conventions and international law. Which by and large I believe Israel does.

Tell me, where you also appalled, and do you continue to be appalled, by Kassam rockets fired by Hamas into Ashkelon and Sderot?

[almaty 19]

brother scandal..a good site...

arabs for israel

We are Arabs and Moslems who believe:

* We can support Israel and still support the Palestinian people. Supporting one does not cancel support for the other.

* We can support the State of Israel and the Jewish religion and still treasure our Arab and Islamic culture.

* There are many Jews and Israelis who freely express compassion and support for the Palestinians. We Arabs also express reciprocal compassion and support.

* The existence of the State of Israel is a fact that we accept.

* Israel is a legitimate state that is not a threat but an asset in the Middle East.

* Every major World religion has a center of gravity. Islam has Mecca, and Judaism certainly deserves its presence in Israel and Jerusalem.

* Diversity is a virtue not only in the USA, but would be beneficial around the world. We support a diverse Middle East with protection for human rights, respect and equality under the law to all minorities, including Jews and Christians.

* Palestinians have several options but are deprived from exercising them because of their leadership, the Arab League and surrounding Arab and Moslem countries who have other goals besides seeing Palestinians live in harmony with Israel.

* If Palestinians want democracy they can start practicing it now.

* It will benefit Arabs to end the boycott of Israel.

* We can resolve our conflicts using non-violent means. Sending our young people on suicide/homicide missions as a form of Jihad is a distortion of Islam. We can do better.

* We are appalled by the horrific act of terror against the USA on 9/11/2001.

* It will be better for Arabs when the Arab media ends the incitement and misinformation that result in Arab street rage and violence. We support the Arab media providing coverage of ways that people of all religions are and can live together in harmony.

* We are eager to see major reformation in how Islam is taught and channeled to bring out the best in Moslems and contribute to the uplifting of the human spirit and advancement of civilization.

* We believe in freedom to choose or change one’s Religion.

* We cherish and acknowledge the beauty and contributions of the Middle East culture, but recognize that the Arab/Moslem world is in desperate need of constructive self-criticism and reform.

* We seek dialogue with Israel. We invite you to join us on a path of love.

We are NOT:

* Anti-Islam, Anti-Arab, confrontational or hateful.

We remember with deep sadness and respect the brave Arabs, known and unknown, who were killed or severely punished for promoting peace with Israel; a special thanks to President Anwar Sadat of Egypt who was killed at the hands of Militant and Radical Islamists after he signed the peace treaty with Israel.

We salute and commend Arab and Moslem writers, scholars and speakers, who found the strength, commitment and honesty in their hearts to speak out in support of Israel. We thank you for being the pioneers that you are and for holding such sophisticated and advanced views in the realm of Arab and Moslem thinking. You are inspiring us all.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

There is so much history in the Middle East, and that is a tragedy. Not because of what has happened, but for what has been forgotten.

[scandal 951]

Thank you Brother Dean.

It's a wonderful and refreshing thing to read.

Unfortunately it reflects the views of a minority so small in the Islamic world that I cry :crying: to think of how to express it numerically . With rare exceptions such as King Abdullah of Jordan, there are virtually no leaders in the Middle East who would share even a fraction of this sentiment.

[FaithfulandTrue 6]

No matter what anyone says the Palestinians have a right to exist. It's about time a US President has begun to show some sense about fostering relationships in the Arab world. We already pacify Israel. What else can they want from us? I was appalled by some of the tactics used in the recent Israeli/Palestianian conflict by Israel. Palestine may not be innocent but NEITHER is Israel.

that's what i'm saying.. neither one is innocent.. how can one fix this.. just stop fighting for Heaven's sake.. how to rectify this mess.. i don't wanna see this all the time.. can i move to venus.... this is just too much for me... dag, just too much

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

No matter what anyone says the Palestinians have a right to exist. It's about time a US President has begun to show some sense about fostering relationships in the Arab world. We already pacify Israel. What else can they want from us? I was appalled by some of the tactics used in the recent Israeli/Palestianian conflict by Israel. Palestine may not be innocent but NEITHER is Israel.

Oh MY!

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

From what i've read, that is not a very fair land swap.

Life is unfair.

Yeah, and you want to basically kick them to a reservation, and expect them to take it, be peaceful, and praise Israel for giving them a kick in the nuts? It's attitudes like this that perpetuate groups like Hezbollah and Hamas.

Pretty much, yes. The stronger side dictates the rules of the game to the weaker side.

If they want their land back, they should man up and fight for it. If they can't win,

they should bend over and assume the position.

You know what? I'll say it.

That's just plain retarded. I think you're just being intentionally provocative.

You too are mentally deficient.

[scandal 951]

From what i've read, that is not a very fair land swap.

Life is unfair.

Yeah, and you want to basically kick them to a reservation, and expect them to take it, be peaceful, and praise Israel for giving them a kick in the nuts? It's attitudes like this that perpetuate groups like Hezbollah and Hamas.

Pretty much, yes. The stronger side dictates the rules of the game to the weaker side.

If they want their land back, they should man up and fight for it. If they can't win,

they should bend over and assume the position.

You know what? I'll say it.

That's just plain retarded. I think you're just being intentionally provocative.

You too are mentally deficient.

Guess so! I must be, if you say so.

Um, you're the guy with this doozie in your sig right?

"Tyrants from Hitler to Mao to Stalin have sought to disarm their own citizens, for the simple reason that unarmed people are easier to control."

BTW - I did not say mawilson is retarted. I said his comment was retarded. I've seen & read enough of his posts to know that he is very far from retarded. Hence my contention that he is just trying to stir up some ###### intentionally. Which is perfectly fine by me.

You, on the other hand........

[Yahya54 4]

i think isrel dont need the palestine have them own countrey or have the refuge come back isrel dont want pace ..?if they do they dont keep bulding in the palestinan land they alredy have most the countrey ther

it the media specail her in US if you know. why isreles malitary provent the media ther

imagin some body come on your own hous and attack you and say that is my hous too ..........? the palestinan are powerless not like the isreles i dont care what any body say every body know who is ISREAL how the are machine of killing and alot of jiwsh live out sid isrel they didnt agree with the way isrel and what did to gaza is thes make isreal look bad in word any every body know it

[scandal 951]

i dont care what any body say

EXACTLY. You don't care what anybody says. So how can we have a dialogue with people like you who are willing to spew, but not to listen?

Dialogue involves caring about what others say.

[Yahya54 4]

im vary open mind and im willing to listen and belive me i well love to have peace on day ....but with respect look at you how you keep insallt the arab and the moslem (i did read tipoc from you in past) and i know how you think ( the arab is the third word and they are stiuped) and they dont deserv any thing is that what you keep say or mean

when you wack up to go to you job in moring some israles it has to stop you and #### with you and you dont have the right to say no even if was above the law

ISREAL HAVE THER OWN LAW im not tring to be nigtive but you need to look at both side isrel is not right all the tim

[mawilson 2,133]

You know what? I'll say it.

That's just plain retarded. I think you're just being intentionally provocative.

I just don't believe in a two-state solution.

Jordan should annex East Jerusalem and the West Bank, like they did in 1950.

Egypt should take Gaza back.

Problem solved.

[almaty 19]

From what i've read, that is not a very fair land swap.

Life is unfair.

Yeah, and you want to basically kick them to a reservation, and expect them to take it, be peaceful, and praise Israel for giving them a kick in the nuts? It's attitudes like this that perpetuate groups like Hezbollah and Hamas.

Pretty much, yes. The stronger side dictates the rules of the game to the weaker side.

If they want their land back, they should man up and fight for it. If they can't win,

they should bend over and assume the position.

You know what? I'll say it.

That's just plain retarded. I think you're just being intentionally provocative.

You too are mentally deficient.

why/ brother rich, cause he differs from you...