Recent Mexico drug violence hearings were

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Gun control debate hangs over U.S.-Mexico violence

By SUZANNE GAMBOA, Associated Press

Tue Mar 24, 3:15 am ET

WASHINGTON – Members of Congress may be alarmed by the surge in Mexican drug violence and its potential to spill across the border, but they grow silent when the talk turns to gun control as a solution.

With related kidnappings and killings occurring in the U.S., the Obama administration is likely to shift dozens of enforcement agents and millions of dollars to the fight against Mexican drug cartels.

Yet when Attorney General Eric Holder suggested reinstituting a U.S. ban on the sale of certain semiautomatic weapons, many lawmakers balked. The 1994 ban expired after 10 years.

"The Second Amendment Task Force opposes the discussed ban and will fight any attempts that infringe on our Second Amendment rights," said Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., a chairman of the group. Six Democrats and six Republicans co-signed his statement.

Mexico has long tried to get the United States to curtail the number of guns — many purchased legally — that wind up south of the border, where gun laws are much stricter. The State Department says firearms obtained in the U.S. account for an estimated 95 percent of Mexico's drug-related killings.

"If President (Felipe) Calderon's policies to roll back organized crime are to be successful, we need to defang the power of the drug syndicates to inflict damage upon our state, local and police forces," Arturo Sarukhan, the Mexican ambassador to the United States, said in January. "The best way we can do that is for a real ratcheting up of the United States' capabilities of shutting down the flow of weapons."

That may prove tough to do.

After opposition from the National Rifle Association, 22 Democrats joined Republicans in a Senate vote this month to negate the District of Columbia's tough gun registration requirements and overturn its ban on rapid-fire semiautomatic weapons. More than 80 House Democrats backed a similar measure last year.

The gun lobby has raised more than $20 million for political candidates since the 1990 election cycle, with about 85 percent going to Republicans. That ranks 68th among about 80 industry groups tracked by the OpenSecrets.org campaign finance watchdog.

When border violence comes up in hearings, lawmakers say they don't see a need for new gun laws.

"I don't think the solution to Mexico's problems is to limit Second Amendment gun rights in this country," said Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, chairman of the Senate GOP's election committee. "What we can do is help our Mexican friends enforce their own laws."

Republican Rep. Jeff Flake said he believed a recent hearing on Mexico drug violence was actually a discussion of gun control.

"Instead of punishing law-abiding Americans with stricter controls, we must continue to punish those who break the law," said Flake, of Arizona, where 700 cartel-related kidnappings have occurred over two years.

For his part, Obama has signaled a willingness to tighten restrictions on guns, calling the flow of drug money and guns "a two-way situation." Yet 65 Democrats said in a letter to Holder that they would oppose any attempt by the administration to revive a ban on military-style weapons.

Congress did provide $45 million this year for Project Gunrunner, a federal program aimed at curbing the flow of guns. Rep. Ciro Rodriguez, a Texas Democrat on the Appropriations Committee, said he will seek another $30 million over two years for the program and $30 million more to fund efforts by Immigration and Customs Enforcement to crack down on gun trafficking.

Tom Diaz, an analyst at the Violence Policy Center, a gun control group, said cartels use military-style weapons such as the Armalite AR-50, a .50-caliber sniper rifle.

He brought one to a recent congressional hearing — with the help of two police officers — and said he found the weapon on the Internet, bought it for $3,200 from a Maryland "kitchen table" dealer and had it registered in the District of Columbia, all in about six hours.

Semiautomatic rifles used by the cartels are imported legally into the U.S. as "sporting" weapons, a policy that was stopped for years but revived under President George W. Bush. The government could stop importation of those weapons under the 1968 Gun Control Act and thus keep them from winding up in Mexico, Diaz said.

Rep. John Tierney, D-Mass., who chaired a hearing on guns going to Mexico, said he is not seeking widespread gun control but Congress must do something.

"We don't want to get distracted by the gun industry lobby of the NRA trying to talk about (how) every attempt to bring some sanity to the situation is somehow an attempt to get rid of everybody's Second Amendment rights," he said. "That's a red herring."

Sarukhan, the Mexican ambassador, said Mexico simply wants existing U.S. gun laws applied.

"Just on the Arizona and Texas border, there are 12,000 gun shops and countless other gun shows that week in and week out rove around the border area," Sarukhan said.

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"Just on the Arizona and Texas border, there are 12,000 gun shops and countless other gun shows that week in and week out rove around the border area," Sarukhan said.

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"Just on the Arizona and Texas border, there are 12,000 gun shops and countless other gun shows that week in and week out rove around the border area," Sarukhan said.

are there that many gas stations along the border? Or does the border area reach as far north as Kansas?

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good point,., i was amazed by that number....

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Funny how Obama and his cronies take great care to never mention that Mexico has literally dumped millions of its citizens on the backs of the US taxpayer illegally for us to deal with or mention Mexico's failure to competently secure their side of the border from shipping dope north while seamingly blaming the chaos in Mexico on the USA's failure to check guns and money headed south from the USA. Un-fvcking-believable! Never a word about the thousands of Americans killed and murdered by drunk illegal aliens (driving illegally) or illegal alien criminals that pass through basicly an unsecured border with Mexico. Not a word about Mexico flooding the USA with destructive hard narcotics and illegal aliens. Yet Janet Napolitano from the get go talked openly about beefing up the Canadian border while hardly mentioning the source of the overwhelming majority of the problems here in the USA (namely Mexico).

What's up with that nonsense! Can anyone say pander-a-ma (rhymes with Obama)?

Instead in typical lib fashion they subvert the solutions to a visible problem to mesh with their hidden agenda (even when it has nothing to do with any real solution). Problems in Mexico? Yeah, lets take guns away from honest law abiding Americans. They want to do that anyway whether the situation in Mexico exists or not. Any surprises goin' on here? Let's hope most are not so naive or gullible.

Edited March 24, 2009 by peejay

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Honestly and liberalism don't go together. Look at political correctness, the NIMBY Californians and the church of Global Warming alarmism.

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I love how pandering, grandstanding and the do-nothing aspect of politics is a specifically liberal problem.

After 8 years of indecision and non-action under the Bush administration - you'd think people would know better, doubly so as the same people have likely seen presidential administrations from (both parties) come and go since the 60's and 70's.

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Of course it's the libruls. Librul is an anachronism for do nothing but whine (well, it works if you are an American). Did you not know that?

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Essentially what it means is that those who engage in this behaviour can simply state, "everything would be fine if it wasn't for the libruls doing X,Y or Z". Whatever the cause is, they can pin the blame on the librul donkey which requires them not to really think about the true causes of problems because that is difficult and requires one to dig rather deeper and doesn't always prove to be a comfortable experience.

It's really easy. You should try it some time.

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Self-delusion is not unlike the feeling you get when you're under a winter duvet and the cat decides to pee on your legs.

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The real question here is to ask incoming illegals if they are liberals. Imagine that for the nutjob crowd- having to deal with not only illegal aliens but illegal liberal aliens.

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I love how pandering, grandstanding and the do-nothing aspect of politics is a specifically liberal problem.

After 8 years of indecision and non-action under the Bush administration - you'd think people would know better, doubly so as the same people have likely seen presidential administrations from (both parties) come and go since the 60's and 70's.

You should know by now that I hosed that idiot Bush in regard to his to cluelessness and pandering to his cheap illegal labor cronies that went along with his open border policy and non-enforcement of immigration and workplace laws. I have little use for self serving azzwipes whether it is Bush-ies or Obama-ites.

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that vein is about to burst

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I love how pandering, grandstanding and the do-nothing aspect of politics is a specifically liberal problem.

After 8 years of indecision and non-action under the Bush administration - you'd think people would know better, doubly so as the same people have likely seen presidential administrations from (both parties) come and go since the 60's and 70's.

You should know by now that I hosed that idiot Bush in regard to his to cluelessness and pandering to his cheap illegal labor cronies that went along with his open border policy and non-enforcement of immigration and workplace laws. I have little use for self serving azzwipes whether it is Bush-ies or Obama-ites.

Just as long as they're not "liberals" eh.

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That would be a double whammy. What about a triple whammy?

Illegal, liberal, and gay.