Stray bullet shot by hunters pierces wall in toddler's bedroom

[Ban Hammer 14,578]

one problem i have with the story is the claim that it left a 2 inch bullet hole in the wall. it's clearly not a 2 inch hole, it's about half an inch wide.

and i still place the blame on the hunters for being ignorant of the capabilities of their rifle.

The guy reading the ruler probably thinks he has a 12"....

Compared to the toddler, it does look huge (the hole).

Not enough information to place blame on the hunters.

If they were in a sanctioned hunting area, then the majority of the blame should rest with who allowed a residential community without a proper buffer zone.

If they were plinking behind the farm, then yeah...they're fcuking idiots that should have their @sses handed to them.

i don't need more information to blame the hunters. i've got about 35 years of actual hunting experience behind me.

whether a sanctioned hunting area or not, it's still the responsibility of the shooter as he (or she) is the one who made the decision to pull the trigger.

[Ling Ling 22]

one problem i have with the story is the claim that it left a 2 inch bullet hole in the wall. it's clearly not a 2 inch hole, it's about half an inch wide.

and i still place the blame on the hunters for being ignorant of the capabilities of their rifle.

The guy reading the ruler probably thinks he has a 12"....

Compared to the toddler, it does look huge (the hole).

Not enough information to place blame on the hunters.

If they were in a sanctioned hunting area, then the majority of the blame should rest with who allowed a residential community without a proper buffer zone.

If they were plinking behind the farm, then yeah...they're fcuking idiots that should have their @sses handed to them.

i don't need more information to blame the hunters. i've got about 35 years of actual hunting experience behind me.

whether a sanctioned hunting area or not, it's still the responsibility of the shooter as he (or she) is the one who made the decision to pull the trigger.

Well old man, I don't have nearly as much experience as you.

So if you're at a target range, and it's open for business, but they're making changes to the backstop, and they don't advise you of it,

and you shoot the guy behind the backstop under construction, is it your fault or the range's fault, or the guy behind the backstop?

I mean, YOU made the decision to pull the trigger.

I still say you don't have enough information. Hell, the police on the scene may not have enough information.

I'm often amazed at the depth of insight some people can get from an article on the internet.

[Caladan 19]

There's a difference between what's required of responsible gun ownership at a range and out in the wild. Greater burden outdoors, because there isn't an nice regulated system of rules (like backstops and rule changes.)

[Ling Ling 22]

There's a difference between what's required of responsible gun ownership at a range and out in the wild. Greater burden outdoors, because there isn't an nice regulated system of rules (like backstops and rule changes.)

I won't deny you that, but to read this article and come to certain blame...can't agree with that.

[Ban Hammer 14,578]

one problem i have with the story is the claim that it left a 2 inch bullet hole in the wall. it's clearly not a 2 inch hole, it's about half an inch wide.

and i still place the blame on the hunters for being ignorant of the capabilities of their rifle.

The guy reading the ruler probably thinks he has a 12"....

Compared to the toddler, it does look huge (the hole).

Not enough information to place blame on the hunters.

If they were in a sanctioned hunting area, then the majority of the blame should rest with who allowed a residential community without a proper buffer zone.

If they were plinking behind the farm, then yeah...they're fcuking idiots that should have their @sses handed to them.

i don't need more information to blame the hunters. i've got about 35 years of actual hunting experience behind me.

whether a sanctioned hunting area or not, it's still the responsibility of the shooter as he (or she) is the one who made the decision to pull the trigger.

Well old man, I don't have nearly as much experience as you.

So if you're at a target range, and it's open for business, but they're making changes to the backstop, and they don't advise you of it,

and you shoot the guy behind the backstop under construction, is it your fault or the range's fault, or the guy behind the backstop?

I mean, YOU made the decision to pull the trigger.

I still say you don't have enough information. Hell, the police on the scene may not have enough information.

I'm often amazed at the depth of insight some people can get from an article on the internet.

no, you don't. and save the age jokes.

who is ultimately responsible for the discharge of the gun? who is ultimately responsible for ensuring the path of the bullet is clear of people?

the shooter, that's right.

[Ling Ling 22]

one problem i have with the story is the claim that it left a 2 inch bullet hole in the wall. it's clearly not a 2 inch hole, it's about half an inch wide.

and i still place the blame on the hunters for being ignorant of the capabilities of their rifle.

The guy reading the ruler probably thinks he has a 12"....

Compared to the toddler, it does look huge (the hole).

Not enough information to place blame on the hunters.

If they were in a sanctioned hunting area, then the majority of the blame should rest with who allowed a residential community without a proper buffer zone.

If they were plinking behind the farm, then yeah...they're fcuking idiots that should have their @sses handed to them.

i don't need more information to blame the hunters. i've got about 35 years of actual hunting experience behind me.

whether a sanctioned hunting area or not, it's still the responsibility of the shooter as he (or she) is the one who made the decision to pull the trigger.

Well old man, I don't have nearly as much experience as you.

So if you're at a target range, and it's open for business, but they're making changes to the backstop, and they don't advise you of it,

and you shoot the guy behind the backstop under construction, is it your fault or the range's fault, or the guy behind the backstop?

I mean, YOU made the decision to pull the trigger.

I still say you don't have enough information. Hell, the police on the scene may not have enough information.

I'm often amazed at the depth of insight some people can get from an article on the internet.

no, you don't. and save the age jokes.

who is ultimately responsible for the discharge of the gun? who is ultimately responsible for ensuring the path of the bullet is clear of people?

the shooter, that's right.

Age joke was wrong...sorry for that...but I knew you were tough enough to take it.

I still don't think that you can find fault without knowing all the factors.

In that you too would blame the proposed range incident as the shooter's responsibility,

(which I can admire for your consistency in principles) I feel we can only agree to disagree.

[Ban Hammer 14,578]

one problem i have with the story is the claim that it left a 2 inch bullet hole in the wall. it's clearly not a 2 inch hole, it's about half an inch wide.

and i still place the blame on the hunters for being ignorant of the capabilities of their rifle.

The guy reading the ruler probably thinks he has a 12"....

Compared to the toddler, it does look huge (the hole).

Not enough information to place blame on the hunters.

If they were in a sanctioned hunting area, then the majority of the blame should rest with who allowed a residential community without a proper buffer zone.

If they were plinking behind the farm, then yeah...they're fcuking idiots that should have their @sses handed to them.

i don't need more information to blame the hunters. i've got about 35 years of actual hunting experience behind me.

whether a sanctioned hunting area or not, it's still the responsibility of the shooter as he (or she) is the one who made the decision to pull the trigger.

Well old man, I don't have nearly as much experience as you.

So if you're at a target range, and it's open for business, but they're making changes to the backstop, and they don't advise you of it,

and you shoot the guy behind the backstop under construction, is it your fault or the range's fault, or the guy behind the backstop?

I mean, YOU made the decision to pull the trigger.

I still say you don't have enough information. Hell, the police on the scene may not have enough information.

I'm often amazed at the depth of insight some people can get from an article on the internet.

no, you don't. and save the age jokes.

who is ultimately responsible for the discharge of the gun? who is ultimately responsible for ensuring the path of the bullet is clear of people?

the shooter, that's right.

Age joke was wrong...sorry for that...but I knew you were tough enough to take it.

I still don't think that you can find fault without knowing all the factors.

In that you too would blame the proposed range incident as the shooter's responsibility,

(which I can admire for your consistency in principles) I feel we can only agree to disagree.

i learned all the factors i needed to when i graduated from the nra hunter safety course at 12 years old. the shooter is always responsible for pulling the trigger. the shooter must ensure the background is safe for the shot in case he misses. the shooter is responsible for selecting the right gun and ammo for the terrain.

any of those in bold would have changed the outcome of this story.

[MrsCat 6]

meh, not so impressed, my fist has punched much bigger holes through the wall. they are Chuck Norris fists afterall.

[Ban Hammer 14,578]

meh, not so impressed, my fist has punched much bigger holes through the wall. they are Chuck Norris fists afterall.

you're canadian, that's expected. they've become lethal weapons after holding so many cups of steaming tim horton's

[MrsCat 6]

meh, not so impressed, my fist has punched much bigger holes through the wall. they are Chuck Norris fists afterall.

you're canadian, that's expected. they've become lethal weapons after holding so many cups of steaming tim horton's

true dat!

[jundp 191]

Indeed, I say arm her with a crossbow as well. Not only will little Giana be protected, but with a gun and a crossbow she has options.

and she definitely needs a machete...

Oooh. A machete. Yes. Good call, Marilyn.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

one problem i have with the story is the claim that it left a 2 inch bullet hole in the wall. it's clearly not a 2 inch hole, it's about half an inch wide.

and i still place the blame on the hunters for being ignorant of the capabilities of their rifle.

The guy reading the ruler probably thinks he has a 12"....

Compared to the toddler, it does look huge (the hole).

Not enough information to place blame on the hunters.

If they were in a sanctioned hunting area, then the majority of the blame should rest with who allowed a residential community without a proper buffer zone.

If they were plinking behind the farm, then yeah...they're fcuking idiots that should have their @sses handed to them.

i don't need more information to blame the hunters. i've got about 35 years of actual hunting experience behind me.

whether a sanctioned hunting area or not, it's still the responsibility of the shooter as he (or she) is the one who made the decision to pull the trigger.

I agree with you, Charles. Would you be in favor of taking their license away?

[Ban Hammer 14,578]

one problem i have with the story is the claim that it left a 2 inch bullet hole in the wall. it's clearly not a 2 inch hole, it's about half an inch wide.

and i still place the blame on the hunters for being ignorant of the capabilities of their rifle.

The guy reading the ruler probably thinks he has a 12"....

Compared to the toddler, it does look huge (the hole).

Not enough information to place blame on the hunters.

If they were in a sanctioned hunting area, then the majority of the blame should rest with who allowed a residential community without a proper buffer zone.

If they were plinking behind the farm, then yeah...they're fcuking idiots that should have their @sses handed to them.

i don't need more information to blame the hunters. i've got about 35 years of actual hunting experience behind me.

whether a sanctioned hunting area or not, it's still the responsibility of the shooter as he (or she) is the one who made the decision to pull the trigger.

I agree with you, Charles. Would you be in favor of taking their license away?

among other things, like charges of negligent discharge of a firearm at the least.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

why was the shooter hunting so close to residential area i wonder

Maybe the question ain't why but rather who?

[peejay 327]

I may be a bit late in this thread, but what is the point? Is this about anti-hunting or anti-gun? The world abounds with a multitude of idiots. Not all gun owners or hunters are idiots. Most are not.

Here it is closing in on New Year and at the stroke of midnight there will be morons here in Houston that will be firing guns into the air oblivious to "what goes up must come down". They aren't supposed to be lighting off fireworks inside the city limits either, but they do that too in violation of city ordinance. Every year the city government puts reminders on TV that shooting guns in the air at midnight and lighting off fireworks is stupid, dangerous, and a criminal offense. The finks do it anyway.

The same goes for admonitions about drunk driving and the jails fill up every year. Go figure!

Ban all guns, cars, and liquor for everyone or punish only the azzholes that act the fool and cannot act responsibly. IMO there will always be #### ups, idiots, and fools in society. Crack down hard on them and make them an example. Otherwise you punish the majority that don't act the fool. Banning all activity isn't the answer.

Edited December 8, 2008 by peejay