Bar girl and K1

[franklie 0]

I have a nephew who wants to petition his girlfriend from the Philippinnes to the US on a K1 visa. I did a search of the forums to see if this issue had ever been brought up and have found nothing.

The following is the letter that was sent to me by my nephew

Hey Uncle Frank,

As you know I met this wonderful Filipina girl, Marla, 4 months ago. We’re pretty serious about our relationship and would like to get married. Mom said that you were in process to be married to a nice Mexican girl (BTW congrats) and said you were a member of website that was helping you in the process of bringing her to the US and if I had any questions to ask you.

I have a question for you: Marla and I met when she was a bar girl in Cebu. She said that she was doing it to help out her family. She stopped working in the bar a week ago because she felt our relationship was more important. If I want to bring her back to the US and marry her on a K1 visa will her being a bar girl affect the process? My friends say that it shouldn’t be a problem for me because most of the K1 petitions are for former bar girls. What do you think?

I have no experience with the Philippines but I do have experience with Americans trying to bring Mexican fiances to the US. The Mexican bar girls/ prostitutes have to register with the local police and they receive a health card that has to be signed off every month by the health authorities. The American consulate does a check with the local police authorities to see if the woman being petitioned has been or is registered as a prostitute.

Will her being a bar girl/prostitute derail the K1 visa?

Thanks in advance for the help

Edited July 24, 2008 by franklie

[stuartx13 3]

bar girls are not per say prostitutes,and sex is never for sure It's a sad fact that many of the bar girls did prostitute themselves in an effort to climb out of a poverty .They have regrets and hopes They are people, no better and no worse than those who would have them erased from Filipino history.anyway i think it will make no diffarance.

[stuartx13 3]

I found this somewhere else ("So what did a barfine get you? The only thing a patron was guaranteed was that the girl would be allowed to leave the bar with him. This came as a rude shock to some Olongapo newcomers, who assumed that the fine ensured him of a night of sex. It did not. True, the girls were highly encouraged by the bar owners to consent to sexual requests, and the girls themselves sometimes did so simply to ensure another barfine the next day, but the girls were not obligated to do anything. On most first "dates" the best you could hope for was a kiss, unless the girl was an unabashed "professional." Most were not, however. Most were girls from villages or other islands who served customers drinks most of the night, but who suffered the indignity of wearing a one piece bathing suit every hour or so in order to keep their jobs. They did this in order to make a few pesos for their family, and more often than not, in order to find a nice American guy who was marriage material so that she and her family might actually have a future of some kind. These Filipinas tended to cluster together in groups for safety and solace, and seethed whenever they were compared (usually by an uninformed media) to the professional gals that danced naked on the runways of perimeter bars. It was a very unfair comparison. One might just as well compare a waitress at Hooters to a girl in a Thai massage parlor. It was unfair, and the less promiscuous girls were horrified at the image the public thrust on them.")

[chris and lorie 0]

your nephew is just asking for trouble.Try to meet other normal girls

chris

[stuartx13 3]

I disagree if he love her and she feels the same and he met her he should spend time with her get to know her better but job douse not make the person.

Edited July 24, 2008 by stuartx13

[Sheriff Uling 3]

Hoes need love too...

[stuartx13 3]

There's a Bible story that deals with adultery, but which could apply to any sin, including prostitution (or false witness...):

(John 8: 3-11) The scholars and the Pharisees brought to Jesus a woman who had been caught in adultery and they made her stand in front of him. "Teacher," they said to him, "this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law, Moses ordered us to throw stones at such a woman until she was dead. What do you say we should do?"

They asked Jesus this to test him, hoping that his answer would give them something to accuse him of. But Jesus crouched and with his finger wrote in the dust that covered the ground. Still, they kept asking him what should be done, so eventually he stood up and said, "Anyone among you who is without sin, let him throw the first stone at her." Then he crouched down again, and again began writing in the dust.

Convicted by their own consciences, each man slowly left, the oldest and wisest leaving first, until not a single accuser remained. Now there was only the woman, and Jesus. When they were alone, Jesus stopped writing and stood up. He looked at her and said, "Woman, where are your accusers? Didn't anyone condemn you?"

"No one, my Lord," she said.

"Neither do I condemn you," he said. "Now, go forth, and sin no more."

[~bLairwhich~ 0]

I quoted stuartx13! Very well said!

I am a Filipina, not a bar girl or anything like that though, but I find bar girls just any kind of girl. Some eople are sometime discremanating/judgmental but anyway I respect everybody's opinion.

About your question, I don't think there's such thing as tracing the fiance's "track record" unless you say so? Who knows where your nephew met his fiance? I don't suggest lieing but your nephew can just say he met her somewhere else if theya re not confident enough? Whatever it is.... I strongly believe that her being "bar girl" will not be a problem anyway. I don't know any case like this but I think it should not be ground for rejecting the VISA after all. I believe strip teasing is legal in the U.S.? Whatever, I don't know much.

How about your nephew coming here in the Philippines and get married here? That would be less problem, they can get CR-1.

I found this somewhere else ("So what did a barfine get you? The only thing a patron was guaranteed was that the girl would be allowed to leave the bar with him. This came as a rude shock to some Olongapo newcomers, who assumed that the fine ensured him of a night of sex. It did not. True, the girls were highly encouraged by the bar owners to consent to sexual requests, and the girls themselves sometimes did so simply to ensure another barfine the next day, but the girls were not obligated to do anything. On most first "dates" the best you could hope for was a kiss, unless the girl was an unabashed "professional." Most were not, however. Most were girls from villages or other islands who served customers drinks most of the night, but who suffered the indignity of wearing a one piece bathing suit every hour or so in order to keep their jobs. They did this in order to make a few pesos for their family, and more often than not, in order to find a nice American guy who was marriage material so that she and her family might actually have a future of some kind. These Filipinas tended to cluster together in groups for safety and solace, and seethed whenever they were compared (usually by an uninformed media) to the professional gals that danced naked on the runways of perimeter bars. It was a very unfair comparison. One might just as well compare a waitress at Hooters to a girl in a Thai massage parlor. It was unfair, and the less promiscuous girls were horrified at the image the public thrust on them.")

[DanielParul 50]

There's a Bible story that deals with adultery, but which could apply to any sin, including prostitution (or false witness...):

(John 8: 3-11) The scholars and the Pharisees brought to Jesus a woman who had been caught in adultery and they made her stand in front of him. "Teacher," they said to him, "this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law, Moses ordered us to throw stones at such a woman until she was dead. What do you say we should do?"

They asked Jesus this to test him, hoping that his answer would give them something to accuse him of. But Jesus crouched and with his finger wrote in the dust that covered the ground. Still, they kept asking him what should be done, so eventually he stood up and said, "Anyone among you who is without sin, let him throw the first stone at her." Then he crouched down again, and again began writing in the dust.

Convicted by their own consciences, each man slowly left, the oldest and wisest leaving first, until not a single accuser remained. Now there was only the woman, and Jesus. When they were alone, Jesus stopped writing and stood up. He looked at her and said, "Woman, where are your accusers? Didn't anyone condemn you?"

"No one, my Lord," she said.

"Neither do I condemn you," he said. "Now, go forth, and sin no more."

Unfortunately, Consular Officers and the various forms that need to be filled up during the process do not take Bible stories as valid explanation!!!

[stuartx13 3]

Anyway this is not the India cast system and working in a bar in the USA and the Philippians is legal so it WILL NOT MATTER.

[dbears 1]

I have a question for you: Marla and I met when she was a bar girl in Cebu. She said that she was doing it to help out her family. She stopped working in the bar a week ago because she felt our relationship was more important. If I want to bring her back to the US and marry her on a K1 visa will her being a bar girl affect the process? My friends say that it shouldn't be a problem for me because most of the K1 petitions are for former bar girls. What do you think?

Will her being a bar girl/prostitute derail the K1 visa?

Thanks in advance for the help

I beg to disagree on the highlighted statement. There may be former bar girls but I believe MOST of K1 petitions are for filipinas working in less questionable fields. There are lawyers, doctors, researchers, teachers, designers, web programmers, sales reps, entreprenuers, accountants, nurses, sales ladies in department stores, etc. Former bar girls constitute the minority.... well at least here on vj and also amongst the people who filed K1 or K3 visas outside vj that I know of.

Saying somebody was a bar girl has negative connonotation but I agree with stuart, bar girls do not automatically mean they are/were prostitutes. And even if they were, if they are truly reformed then there is no problem giving them a fair chance in love right?

Perhaps this old thread could be of help: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...109645&st=0

[RonnieKris 26]

Hoes need love too...

Um, if your nephew would do some reading on the internet about bargirls and the life they live, he might change his mind. I have found many, many men that have a lot to say...just yahoo "cebu bargirls."

[stuartx13 3]

Some of you all are hopeless any girl that works in a bar is called a bargirl that don't mean they were barfind,thats like saying any girl that works in a bar hear were prostitutes,give me a brake And i bet most of those were the 65 year old man marrying a 20 year old who's taking advantage of who? i think you know the answer to that.

Edited July 24, 2008 by stuartx13

[Sheriff Uling 3]

Some of you all are hopeless any girl that works in a bar is called a bargirl that don't mean they were barfind,thats like saying any girl that works in a bar hear were prostitutes,give me a brake And i bet most of those were the 65 year old man marrying a 20 year old who's taking advantage of who? i think you know the answer to that.

True!

It's kinda like guilt by association with the whole bar thing.

As fas as this huge age gap between the petitioners and beneficiaries are concerned, hey if I were 50 - 65 and single, I'd want some young firm plump booty and tatas too and the bonus is that the women are generally very sweet and nuituring (not to mention beautiful). What man in his right mind wouldn't want that... Well, to be honest, it works out for both parties involved. I say it is a sum-sum game whereas both come out ahead (no pun intended).

Now, this is a guy’s prospective and I have tried to write it just like I was talking with one of the guys.

Cheers!!!

Sheriff Uling

p.s. - Please excuse me because I did write this post candidly for the shock factor…

[AllRightsReserved 0]

I have a question for you: Marla and I met when she was a bar girl in Cebu. She said that she was doing it to help out her family. She stopped working in the bar a week ago because she felt our relationship was more important. If I want to bring her back to the US and marry her on a K1 visa will her being a bar girl affect the process? My friends say that it shouldn’t be a problem for me because most of the K1 petitions are for former bar girls. What do you think?

:rofl: Was your friend referring to the Philippines? Let your friend make a stand on this, did he conduct any research on the statistics on K1 petitions and got into a conclusion as MOST K1 BENEFICIARIES ARE FORMER BAR GIRLS? OR he could refer us to a reliable source before he can let anyone believe about this information.

I don't think it will affect any process with your fiance' being a former bar girl as long as you could prove a "genuine relationship".

Good luck!

Edited July 24, 2008 by AllRightsReserved