How do american soldiers really feel about the war??

[nana_356 0]

i am pretty sure that nana is regretting starting this whole discussion.

what a waste of all of our time and energy.

any NOA2's today? thats what i was checking on in the first place before i got caught up in all this nonsense.

good luck to everyone, regardless of your political views

Yes I do regret starting this discussion. Topics never do get discussed. And some people (no need to name) begin personal attacks to veer of the issue at hand. As the other topic says, I am also discusted. disgusted.

Thank you for the correction

[HAL 9000 96]

Good nature always beats out blind nature.

[Sinergy 3]

I just wanted to say BOTH my parents are VETS, and they both agree this is a war that we shouldnt have gone into.

I also want to add my mom is an RN at the VA hospital, and prolly speaks to more returning troops from iraq than anyone here, and can say that 9 out of 10 of them threaten to kill themselves before having to return to the war. And everyone of them blames Bush.

So no, 3 videos dont prove a thing, but a hospital full of soilders with missing arms, legs, hearing, sight, and other internal injuries saying the same thing, means a lot to me.

[Nagishkaw 510]

Good nature always beats out blind nature.

B)

[HAL 9000 96]

So no, 3 videos dont prove a thing, but a hospital full of soilders with missing arms, legs, hearing, sight, and other internal injuries saying the same thing, means a lot to me.

This probably speaks of great truths. To some, that is absolutely worth it. To others, its absolutely not when you put those losses in real context.

[morocco4ever 63]

I just wanted to say BOTH my parents are VETS, and they both agree this is a war that we shouldnt have gone into.

I also want to add my mom is an RN at the VA hospital, and prolly speaks to more returning troops from iraq than anyone here, and can say that 9 out of 10 of them threaten to kill themselves before having to return to the war. And everyone of them blames Bush.

So no, 3 videos dont prove a thing, but a hospital full of soilders with missing arms, legs, hearing, sight, and other internal injuries saying the same thing, means a lot to me.

Thank you for posting this. My husband being from the Middle East was at first upset with all of the soldiers for what is done to all of the innocent people there. I can't remember the name of the movie, but it pretty much spelled out what happens to these good people after the war, and now he understands much more about the sincerity of the soldiers, that this goes far beyond them. I have read story after story in the news of post traumatic syndrome.

Most of these soldiers are never the same after they come back. If the war was honest and justified I agree, they signed up for it. The problem is when they are lead to believe they are going to war for a noble cause and it turns out to be based on lies. Saying that it needed to be done, and lying was justifiable is a load of #######.

[nana_356 0]

I just wanted to say BOTH my parents are VETS, and they both agree this is a war that we shouldnt have gone into.

I also want to add my mom is an RN at the VA hospital, and prolly speaks to more returning troops from iraq than anyone here, and can say that 9 out of 10 of them threaten to kill themselves before having to return to the war. And everyone of them blames Bush.

So no, 3 videos dont prove a thing, but a hospital full of soilders with missing arms, legs, hearing, sight, and other internal injuries saying the same thing, means a lot to me.

Thank you for posting this. My husband being from the Middle East was at first upset with all of the soldiers for what is done to all of the innocent people there. I can't remember the name of the movie, but it pretty much spelled out what happens to these good people after the war, and now he understands much more about the sincerity of the soldiers, that this goes far beyond them. I have read story after story in the news of post traumatic syndrome.

Most of these soldiers are never the same after they come back. If the war was honest and justified I agree, they signed up for it. The problem is when they are lead to believe they are going to war for a noble cause and it turns out to be based on lies. Saying that it needed to be done, and lying was justifiable is a load of #######.

[Sinergy 3]

I just wanted to say BOTH my parents are VETS, and they both agree this is a war that we shouldnt have gone into.

I also want to add my mom is an RN at the VA hospital, and prolly speaks to more returning troops from iraq than anyone here, and can say that 9 out of 10 of them threaten to kill themselves before having to return to the war. And everyone of them blames Bush.

So no, 3 videos dont prove a thing, but a hospital full of soilders with missing arms, legs, hearing, sight, and other internal injuries saying the same thing, means a lot to me.

Thank you for posting this. My husband being from the Middle East was at first upset with all of the soldiers for what is done to all of the innocent people there. I can't remember the name of the movie, but it pretty much spelled out what happens to these good people after the war, and now he understands much more about the sincerity of the soldiers, that this goes far beyond them. I have read story after story in the news of post traumatic syndrome.

Most of these soldiers are never the same after they come back. If the war was honest and justified I agree, they signed up for it. The problem is when they are lead to believe they are going to war for a noble cause and it turns out to be based on lies. Saying that it needed to be done, and lying was justifiable is a load of #######.

You are absolutly right. And i dont agree with this war, and i hear it all the time "how can you come from a military family and not be for the war"....the same way you (not pointing fingers just giving example) can be for the war and claim to have morals.

I agree with my dad who served in Vietnam, the first Iraq war, and trained troops for this war before he retired...this war was based on lies and arrogance, and the only one who shouldve gone to fight stayed here and played golf! (oh and i dont buy the BS about not playing to show remorse)

My mom has no words on this alot of the times, she spends all her time caring for soilders who will never live again a normal life therefore all she can do is shake her head and cry.

I also want to mention, do not call out disrespect if you give the lease respect on this forum Gary, and regardless of wheather he is a prison guard or not, if it werent for cops and prison guards, you wouldnt be sleeping so soundly in your comfy lil home.

[GaryC 7]

I just wanted to say BOTH my parents are VETS, and they both agree this is a war that we shouldnt have gone into.

I also want to add my mom is an RN at the VA hospital, and prolly speaks to more returning troops from iraq than anyone here, and can say that 9 out of 10 of them threaten to kill themselves before having to return to the war. And everyone of them blames Bush.

So no, 3 videos dont prove a thing, but a hospital full of soilders with missing arms, legs, hearing, sight, and other internal injuries saying the same thing, means a lot to me.

Thank you for posting this. My husband being from the Middle East was at first upset with all of the soldiers for what is done to all of the innocent people there. I can't remember the name of the movie, but it pretty much spelled out what happens to these good people after the war, and now he understands much more about the sincerity of the soldiers, that this goes far beyond them. I have read story after story in the news of post traumatic syndrome.

Most of these soldiers are never the same after they come back. If the war was honest and justified I agree, they signed up for it. The problem is when they are lead to believe they are going to war for a noble cause and it turns out to be based on lies. Saying that it needed to be done, and lying was justifiable is a load of #######.

You are absolutly right. And i dont agree with this war, and i hear it all the time "how can you come from a military family and not be for the war"....the same way you (not pointing fingers just giving example) can be for the war and claim to have morals.

I agree with my dad who served in Vietnam, the first Iraq war, and trained troops for this war before he retired...this war was based on lies and arrogance, and the only one who shouldve gone to fight stayed here and played golf! (oh and i dont buy the BS about not playing to show remorse)

My mom has no words on this alot of the times, she spends all her time caring for soilders who will never live again a normal life therefore all she can do is shake her head and cry.

I also want to mention, do not call out disrespect if you give the lease respect on this forum Gary, and regardless of wheather he is a prison guard or not, if it werent for cops and prison guards, you wouldnt be sleeping so soundly in your comfy lil home.

Um, if you read back you will see that I was the one being called disrespectful because I support the war. In Nana's opinion anyone that supports the war is disrespecting the troops. I strongly disagree with that idea. She/he also said that saying the soldiers in the film were disgruntled was also disrespectful. Saying someone is disgruntled is not disrespectful but only describing their emotional state. You need to aim that finger in a different direction.

[Sinergy 3]

I just wanted to say BOTH my parents are VETS, and they both agree this is a war that we shouldnt have gone into.

I also want to add my mom is an RN at the VA hospital, and prolly speaks to more returning troops from iraq than anyone here, and can say that 9 out of 10 of them threaten to kill themselves before having to return to the war. And everyone of them blames Bush.

So no, 3 videos dont prove a thing, but a hospital full of soilders with missing arms, legs, hearing, sight, and other internal injuries saying the same thing, means a lot to me.

Thank you for posting this. My husband being from the Middle East was at first upset with all of the soldiers for what is done to all of the innocent people there. I can't remember the name of the movie, but it pretty much spelled out what happens to these good people after the war, and now he understands much more about the sincerity of the soldiers, that this goes far beyond them. I have read story after story in the news of post traumatic syndrome.

Most of these soldiers are never the same after they come back. If the war was honest and justified I agree, they signed up for it. The problem is when they are lead to believe they are going to war for a noble cause and it turns out to be based on lies. Saying that it needed to be done, and lying was justifiable is a load of #######.

You are absolutly right. And i dont agree with this war, and i hear it all the time "how can you come from a military family and not be for the war"....the same way you (not pointing fingers just giving example) can be for the war and claim to have morals.

I agree with my dad who served in Vietnam, the first Iraq war, and trained troops for this war before he retired...this war was based on lies and arrogance, and the only one who shouldve gone to fight stayed here and played golf! (oh and i dont buy the BS about not playing to show remorse)

My mom has no words on this alot of the times, she spends all her time caring for soilders who will never live again a normal life therefore all she can do is shake her head and cry.

I also want to mention, do not call out disrespect if you give the lease respect on this forum Gary, and regardless of wheather he is a prison guard or not, if it werent for cops and prison guards, you wouldnt be sleeping so soundly in your comfy lil home.

Um, if you read back you will see that I was the one being called disrespectful because I support the war. In Nana's opinion anyone that supports the war is disrespecting the troops. I strongly disagree with that idea. She/he also said that saying the soldiers in the film were disgruntled was also disrespectful. Saying someone is disgruntled is not disrespectful but only describing their emotional state. You need to aim that finger in a different direction.

Oh im aiming my finger correctly, bc hes not a VET, but a prison guard you gave him hell and in your own words made him look like he didnt know what he was talking about. You dont have to be a VET to have a strong opinion on this war.

THATS what i was talking about regarding you. You have never taken responsibilty for your own faults on here, but are the first to point out everyone elses, i think you should work on that if you ever want a normal conversation with ppl. Every political thread you go into becomes a flame war mainly bc your either downing someone or trying to belittle them on their opinions, unless ofcorse it is the same as yours.

Edited June 17, 2008 by Sinergy

[GaryC 7]

I just wanted to say BOTH my parents are VETS, and they both agree this is a war that we shouldnt have gone into.

I also want to add my mom is an RN at the VA hospital, and prolly speaks to more returning troops from iraq than anyone here, and can say that 9 out of 10 of them threaten to kill themselves before having to return to the war. And everyone of them blames Bush.

So no, 3 videos dont prove a thing, but a hospital full of soilders with missing arms, legs, hearing, sight, and other internal injuries saying the same thing, means a lot to me.

Thank you for posting this. My husband being from the Middle East was at first upset with all of the soldiers for what is done to all of the innocent people there. I can't remember the name of the movie, but it pretty much spelled out what happens to these good people after the war, and now he understands much more about the sincerity of the soldiers, that this goes far beyond them. I have read story after story in the news of post traumatic syndrome.

Most of these soldiers are never the same after they come back. If the war was honest and justified I agree, they signed up for it. The problem is when they are lead to believe they are going to war for a noble cause and it turns out to be based on lies. Saying that it needed to be done, and lying was justifiable is a load of #######.

You are absolutly right. And i dont agree with this war, and i hear it all the time "how can you come from a military family and not be for the war"....the same way you (not pointing fingers just giving example) can be for the war and claim to have morals.

I agree with my dad who served in Vietnam, the first Iraq war, and trained troops for this war before he retired...this war was based on lies and arrogance, and the only one who shouldve gone to fight stayed here and played golf! (oh and i dont buy the BS about not playing to show remorse)

My mom has no words on this alot of the times, she spends all her time caring for soilders who will never live again a normal life therefore all she can do is shake her head and cry.

I also want to mention, do not call out disrespect if you give the lease respect on this forum Gary, and regardless of wheather he is a prison guard or not, if it werent for cops and prison guards, you wouldnt be sleeping so soundly in your comfy lil home.

Um, if you read back you will see that I was the one being called disrespectful because I support the war. In Nana's opinion anyone that supports the war is disrespecting the troops. I strongly disagree with that idea. She/he also said that saying the soldiers in the film were disgruntled was also disrespectful. Saying someone is disgruntled is not disrespectful but only describing their emotional state. You need to aim that finger in a different direction.

Oh im aiming my finger correctly, bc hes not a VET, but a prison guard you gave him hell and in your own words made him look like he didnt know what he was talking about. You dont have to be a VET to have a strong opinion on this war.

THATS what i was talking about regarding you. You have never taken responsibilty for your own faults on here, but are the first to point out everyone elses, i think you should work on that if you ever want a normal conversation with ppl. Every political thread you go into becomes a flame war mainly bc your either downing someone or trying to belittle them.

Ah, I see. I start all the flame wars. Ok. I suggest to go back and start reading again with a little more open mind. I very rarely attack until I am attacked.

[Sinergy 3]

Ok Gary, if that makes your feel better, then i will let you think that. especially since your the one who normally never sees past your own thoughts. Its always the same way, if someone doesnt agree with you they are attacking you.

[GaryC 7]

Ok Gary, if that makes your feel better, then i will let you think that. especially since your the one who normally never sees past your own thoughts. Its always the same way, if someone doesnt agree with you they are attacking you.

Here is where it started. Tell me where I was flaming.

My wife usualy posts on these boards, this is my first time on here. And no I am not a veteran. I am a federal correctional officer in the penitentiary, so i hope this is not a ploy to attack me, because I dedicate my life to american's safety every day.

I think his point is this. The vast majority of soldiers are proud to serve. Remember that we have an all volunteer armed service. The usual hitch is 4 years so that means that every single soldier serving knew we were fighting when they signed up. They are there because they want to be there. Your posting a few vids of disgruntled soldiers is a very large distortion and a disservice to the brave men and women that serve.

I disagree with you. I can tell that you havnt spoken to many soldiers as I have, many are family members and co workers. Let me begin by saying that I do my job not because I love it, but because I have also taken an oath, and I truly believe in what I am doing, my son and my wife are proud of me, and I am honored to be an officer.

And my co workers feel the same way, even though the job is tough we believe in, so we dont mind carying out our duties. Most of the soldiers do not believe in this war, that is why they dont want to be there, many signed up because of 9 11, and wanted to fight for this country,I also tried to enlist. But now that we all know the truth, that all that was said was a lie the truth is this is a senseless war. And it has made them more powerful and us weaker.

I work with some of the most honorable men, they are not also officers but are also in the militiary, they do not believe in this war. I agree that majority are proud to serve, but they do not believe in what they are doing, their moral is down, and as long as they dont understand what the purpose of this war is and they dont feel that anything is changing the moral will continue to diminish snd lives will deminish also.

Thats just the few you talked to. I also have many friends that are there or have been there. Every one of them went in with the full knowledge of what they were doing and were proud to serve. I have a friend and coworker that left a good job and his family because he wanted to serve. I have 2 brothers that served over in Iraq. They all knew what the story was and believed in what they were doing. Don't base your opinion on a few disgruntled soldiers. They do not represent the majority.

I dont appreciate you calling people that are dear to me "disgruntled". You have stepped completely out of line to do so!

Disgruntled isn't an insult. Live with it.

You are a very disrespectful man Mr. Gary! You have no respect for our troops!

[nana_356 0]

I just wanted to say BOTH my parents are VETS, and they both agree this is a war that we shouldnt have gone into.

I also want to add my mom is an RN at the VA hospital, and prolly speaks to more returning troops from iraq than anyone here, and can say that 9 out of 10 of them threaten to kill themselves before having to return to the war. And everyone of them blames Bush.

So no, 3 videos dont prove a thing, but a hospital full of soilders with missing arms, legs, hearing, sight, and other internal injuries saying the same thing, means a lot to me.

Thank you for posting this. My husband being from the Middle East was at first upset with all of the soldiers for what is done to all of the innocent people there. I can't remember the name of the movie, but it pretty much spelled out what happens to these good people after the war, and now he understands much more about the sincerity of the soldiers, that this goes far beyond them. I have read story after story in the news of post traumatic syndrome.

Most of these soldiers are never the same after they come back. If the war was honest and justified I agree, they signed up for it. The problem is when they are lead to believe they are going to war for a noble cause and it turns out to be based on lies. Saying that it needed to be done, and lying was justifiable is a load of #######.

You are absolutly right. And i dont agree with this war, and i hear it all the time "how can you come from a military family and not be for the war"....the same way you (not pointing fingers just giving example) can be for the war and claim to have morals.

I agree with my dad who served in Vietnam, the first Iraq war, and trained troops for this war before he retired...this war was based on lies and arrogance, and the only one who shouldve gone to fight stayed here and played golf! (oh and i dont buy the BS about not playing to show remorse)

My mom has no words on this alot of the times, she spends all her time caring for soilders who will never live again a normal life therefore all she can do is shake her head and cry.

I also want to mention, do not call out disrespect if you give the lease respect on this forum Gary, and regardless of wheather he is a prison guard or not, if it werent for cops and prison guards, you wouldnt be sleeping so soundly in your comfy lil home.

Um, if you read back you will see that I was the one being called disrespectful because I support the war. In Nana's opinion anyone that supports the war is disrespecting the troops. I strongly disagree with that idea. She/he also said that saying the soldiers in the film were disgruntled was also disrespectful. Saying someone is disgruntled is not disrespectful but only describing their emotional state. You need to aim that finger in a different direction.

I was the one being called disrespectful because I support the war

You were being called disrespectful to want the troops to be in a war that was based on lies, and you wont recognize those lies.

In Nana's opinion anyone that supports the war is disrespecting the troops.

Show me where that was stated??

She/he also said that saying the soldiers in the film were disgruntled was also disrespectful.

Dismissing the soldiers as being disgruntled, rather than recognizing why they are so upset, I believe is being disrespectful. They have a great reason to be upset. This war was neither honest nor can it be justified. But you have never showed any compassion for that Gary

[Ban Hammer 13,381]

yeah and its 41, so i think that allows a whole lot of people out there to go ahead and sign up if they haven't allready

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/20...-army-age_x.htm

i still find that very idea hilarious, that to support it one should be in the military. oh i'm sure someone will jump on me for supporting it and not being active duty military now.