Urgent Help!! I need to submit more evidence

[rebelsoul 0]

Hey all,

I need to have your feedback on this, as we need to prepare the documents in no time.

Basically, we got an RFE for not enough evidence of ongoing relationship. What we had submitted was some 20 pictures. it seems this is considered as secondary evidence. we were never aware that photos are secondary.

Here is what we have, and i want to know from your experience whether it will be enough; problem is that we cannot think of anything else.

- first, the photos we submitted are not "film-dated", we will try getting a couple of film dated pictures to resubmit as secondary evidence. But if we don't find such pictures, do you think non "film-date" pictures are not even considered as secondary evidence? or are the 20 pictures good enough if we submit good primary evidence?

- Second, since we traveled together one year ago, do you think this constitutes a prove of that:

* we still have the e-ticket, showing both of us on the same plane air flight number.

* i don't have the boarding pass anymore, but she still has hers.

* we both have passport stamps of entry and exit with date (i'll need to officially translate the stamp to english).

- if the above i not enough, we are trying to contact the airline company, to send us a signed/official letter certifying that we both boarded on that flight. do you think that will help? is it necessary?

- Finally, she still has the airplane ticket = boarding pass of her coming to Lebanon and we can put the description, that she came from the u.s. to spend time with me. I know this is one is not strong strong evidence.

But all in all, what do you think? I am so worried

[stardusted 0]

Absolutely send copies of passport stamps, e-tickets, boarding passes. Those are nearly impossible to fake and are good primary evidence. Any documentation that can prove you were both in the same place at the same time helps--credit card information, receipts, etc. What they are looking for is evidence that you met within the LAST TWO YEARS and so anything that's officially dated is awesome. (That's why pictures aren't really helpful. You can cheat with them.) I sent passport stamps of my visits to America, my visas for each visit (J1 thrice, B1/B2 once), Chris's boarding passes and arrival/departure card when he visited Bangkok. I also sent copies of bills we received at our apartment, highlighting the identical address (with each of our names). Those are dated and also strong evidence.

Don't forget to send the copy of your original petition with the additional evidence.

[rebelsoul 0]

Don't forget to send the copy of your original petition with the additional evidence.

are you sure we need this? on the RFE they tell us to only send the additional evidence with the "blue page", i.e. the opne having the application original reference number...

[KimandRuss 0]

You do NOT need to send a copy of your entire petition. DO mark on the outside of the envelope that it is a RFE for an I-129 petition.

All of the information you need is in the guides...

Documentary Proof of Having Met in Person in the Past Two Years and an Ongoing Relationship:

Use as many of these items are possible. There is no minimum,

but the more you can provide the less likely you are that you will receive an RFE. 1. Copies of all airline boarding passes, train passes, itineraries, hotel receipts, passport stamps (make sure you can read the dates on the stamps), and other documentary evidence that you have met within the last two years. You may want to highlight or place post-it notes indicating the dates and locations on the copies (to make the adjudication easier) for the person reviewing your file.

2. Color Photo's of you and your fiance(e) together. Make sure you write your names, date, and location on the back of every photo. Provide two to five photo's. If you only have a single copy of the photo, then make a color copy and send that. If it is a digital photo, have it printed at a company such as kodakgallery.com. You can also make duplicates of photo's at your local photo store (Walgreeens, CVS, etc). Place photo's in a plastic bag or photo sheet and label the sheet. Note that you may not receive originals of photo's back.

3. The following items will not typically show proof of having met in the last two years however will show proof of an ongoing relationship: Copies of phone bills, cell phone bills, emails (you can edit personal info with a marker), letters (edit personal info also), stamps on the letters (to document the date they were sent), and other written documentary proof. Provide a reasonable amount; two to four of each type. Pick a range of dates up to and including the present. You can also include a copy of engagement ring receipt (this is something that is a big optional - do not worry if you do not have a ring yet!)

You need to send all of your travel documentation. Passport stamps should have been sent with your original petition so they are a must!

good luck

[pushbrk 12,106]

You do NOT need to send a copy of your entire petition. DO mark on the outside of the envelope that it is a RFE for an I-129 petition.

All of the information you need is in the guides...

Documentary Proof of Having Met in Person in the Past Two Years and an Ongoing Relationship:

Use as many of these items are possible. There is no minimum,

but the more you can provide the less likely you are that you will receive an RFE. 1. Copies of all airline boarding passes, train passes, itineraries, hotel receipts, passport stamps (make sure you can read the dates on the stamps), and other documentary evidence that you have met within the last two years. You may want to highlight or place post-it notes indicating the dates and locations on the copies (to make the adjudication easier) for the person reviewing your file.

2. Color Photo's of you and your fiance(e) together. Make sure you write your names, date, and location on the back of every photo. Provide two to five photo's. If you only have a single copy of the photo, then make a color copy and send that. If it is a digital photo, have it printed at a company such as kodakgallery.com. You can also make duplicates of photo's at your local photo store (Walgreeens, CVS, etc). Place photo's in a plastic bag or photo sheet and label the sheet. Note that you may not receive originals of photo's back.

3. The following items will not typically show proof of having met in the last two years however will show proof of an ongoing relationship: Copies of phone bills, cell phone bills, emails (you can edit personal info with a marker), letters (edit personal info also), stamps on the letters (to document the date they were sent), and other written documentary proof. Provide a reasonable amount; two to four of each type. Pick a range of dates up to and including the present. You can also include a copy of engagement ring receipt (this is something that is a big optional - do not worry if you do not have a ring yet!)

You need to send all of your travel documentation. Passport stamps should have been sent with your original petition so they are a must!

good luck

You are going to have problems all along the process if you don't stop with the "basically" and bad interpretations. You were not basically given an RFE about ongoing relationship evidence. You were given an RFE specifically and exactly for the reasons stated in your RFE. You neglected to provide primary evidence of meeting within the past two years.

Evidence of a bona fide ongoing relationship is what the beneficiary brings to the interview.

[stardusted 0]

Whoops. Messed up. I apologize.

[sweet_peach 0]

Send everything you can no matter how small you think it is.

We sent in

pictures - written dates on the back plus a description of what was going on at the time

phone records - from the time we met

emails - sent about 5 from each month since we met

plane ticket stubs

bag tag stubs

a copy of every page of my passport showing all the times ive entered Lebanon

rental car receipts

restaurant receipts

museum receipts

ATM receipts

I think this was about it.....

[HiTech 0]

From what you state, you lack proof of a relationship , not lack of proof of having met. These are different items, while photos can show you have met, photos can not normally show, unless they are from drastically different times over a lengthy perode, proof of a relationship.

For this things like phone bills , emails show better then pictures a relationship. Or visa stamps from a number of trips. Copies of yahoo conversation. Any thing that shows you have a ongoing communication and a relationship.

[pushbrk 12,106]

From what you state, you lack proof of a relationship , not lack of proof of having met. These are different items, while photos can show you have met, photos can not normally show, unless they are from drastically different times over a lengthy perode, proof of a relationship.

For this things like phone bills , emails show better then pictures a relationship. Or visa stamps from a number of trips. Copies of yahoo conversation. Any thing that shows you have a ongoing communication and a relationship.

The OP misstated the contents of the RFE. They failed to provide primary evidence of meeting.

K1 cases are not RFE'd for evidence of ongoing relationship because sending it isn't required.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

Hey all,

I need to have your feedback on this, as we need to prepare the documents in no time.

Basically, we got an RFE for not enough evidence of ongoing relationship. What we had submitted was some 20 pictures. it seems this is considered as secondary evidence. we were never aware that photos are secondary.

Here is what we have, and i want to know from your experience whether it will be enough; problem is that we cannot think of anything else.

- first, the photos we submitted are not "film-dated", we will try getting a couple of film dated pictures to resubmit as secondary evidence. But if we don't find such pictures, do you think non "film-date" pictures are not even considered as secondary evidence? or are the 20 pictures good enough if we submit good primary evidence?

- Second, since we traveled together one year ago, do you think this constitutes a prove of that:

* we still have the e-ticket, showing both of us on the same plane air flight number.

* i don't have the boarding pass anymore, but she still has hers.

* we both have passport stamps of entry and exit with date (i'll need to officially translate the stamp to english).

- if the above i not enough, we are trying to contact the airline company, to send us a signed/official letter certifying that we both boarded on that flight. do you think that will help? is it necessary?

- Finally, she still has the airplane ticket = boarding pass of her coming to Lebanon and we can put the description, that she came from the u.s. to spend time with me. I know this is one is not strong strong evidence.

But all in all, what do you think? I am so worried

*Being* on a plane at the same time doesn't necessarily mean that you met. *Being* in the same country at the same time doesn't either. You will need to demonstrate that you were together. The photos might show you met in person, but without a date does it prove the requirement that you "met in person within the last X number of months? Think of the evidentiary requirement as a picture,and your evidence as the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. What pieces of evidence do you have that can complete the picture?

[pushbrk 12,106]

Hey all,

I need to have your feedback on this, as we need to prepare the documents in no time.

Basically, we got an RFE for not enough evidence of ongoing relationship. What we had submitted was some 20 pictures. it seems this is considered as secondary evidence. we were never aware that photos are secondary.

Here is what we have, and i want to know from your experience whether it will be enough; problem is that we cannot think of anything else.

- first, the photos we submitted are not "film-dated", we will try getting a couple of film dated pictures to resubmit as secondary evidence. But if we don't find such pictures, do you think non "film-date" pictures are not even considered as secondary evidence? or are the 20 pictures good enough if we submit good primary evidence?

- Second, since we traveled together one year ago, do you think this constitutes a prove of that:

* we still have the e-ticket, showing both of us on the same plane air flight number.

* i don't have the boarding pass anymore, but she still has hers.

* we both have passport stamps of entry and exit with date (i'll need to officially translate the stamp to english).

- if the above i not enough, we are trying to contact the airline company, to send us a signed/official letter certifying that we both boarded on that flight. do you think that will help? is it necessary?

- Finally, she still has the airplane ticket = boarding pass of her coming to Lebanon and we can put the description, that she came from the u.s. to spend time with me. I know this is one is not strong strong evidence.

But all in all, what do you think? I am so worried

*Being* on a plane at the same time doesn't necessarily mean that you met. *Being* in the same country at the same time doesn't either. You will need to demonstrate that you were together. The photos might show you met in person, but without a date does it prove the requirement that you "met in person within the last X number of months? Think of the evidentiary requirement as a picture,and your evidence as the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. What pieces of evidence do you have that can complete the picture?

While a combination of evidence is preferrable and usually available, USCIS will take evidence people were in the same country at the same time as the primary evidence of meeting. Usually there are pictures or other evidence to go with it or multiple evidence of the same thing like boarding passes AND passport stamps. Then if you put pictures of the two together that are good enough to see its the same two people in the passport pictures submitted, it's good enough.

[dj1206 0]

Hey all,

I need to have your feedback on this, as we need to prepare the documents in no time.

Basically, we got an RFE for not enough evidence of ongoing relationship. What we had submitted was some 20 pictures. it seems this is considered as secondary evidence. we were never aware that photos are secondary.

Here is what we have, and i want to know from your experience whether it will be enough; problem is that we cannot think of anything else.

- first, the photos we submitted are not "film-dated", we will try getting a couple of film dated pictures to resubmit as secondary evidence. But if we don't find such pictures, do you think non "film-date" pictures are not even considered as secondary evidence? or are the 20 pictures good enough if we submit good primary evidence?

- Second, since we traveled together one year ago, do you think this constitutes a prove of that:

* we still have the e-ticket, showing both of us on the same plane air flight number.

* i don't have the boarding pass anymore, but she still has hers.

* we both have passport stamps of entry and exit with date (i'll need to officially translate the stamp to english).

- if the above i not enough, we are trying to contact the airline company, to send us a signed/official letter certifying that we both boarded on that flight. do you think that will help? is it necessary?

- Finally, she still has the airplane ticket = boarding pass of her coming to Lebanon and we can put the description, that she came from the u.s. to spend time with me. I know this is one is not strong strong evidence.

But all in all, what do you think? I am so worried

*Being* on a plane at the same time doesn't necessarily mean that you met. *Being* in the same country at the same time doesn't either. You will need to demonstrate that you were together. The photos might show you met in person, but without a date does it prove the requirement that you "met in person within the last X number of months? Think of the evidentiary requirement as a picture,and your evidence as the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. What pieces of evidence do you have that can complete the picture?

While a combination of evidence is preferrable and usually available, USCIS will take evidence people were in the same country at the same time as the primary evidence of meeting. Usually there are pictures or other evidence to go with it or multiple evidence of the same thing like boarding passes AND passport stamps. Then if you put pictures of the two together that are good enough to see its the same two people in the passport pictures submitted, it's good enough.

Proof of ongoing fiance/e relationship would be emails, letters, phone logs, engagement ring receipts (ahem!), additional visits to your SO in their country

Proof of traveling and having met your fiance/e within the last two years would be any airline itineraries or ticket stubs, dated photographs, receipts for restaurants or other attractions visited together (you can submit photos that are undeniably of the attraction or the restaurant, with the two of you together in said photo), hotel receipts, and anything else that can place you with your SO within the last two years.

Think of it this way. You are in a court case and you are the defendant. Your whole case hinges on whether you were with your SO at a certain time. The prosecutor has just cast reasonable doubt that you were in a certain location at a certain time with a certain person. You now have the burden of proof, and must prove to a judge that you were with your SO in that time frame. Prove that you are only guilty of being with your SO at that time.

[rebelsoul 0]

Hey all,

I need to have your feedback on this, as we need to prepare the documents in no time.

Basically, we got an RFE for not enough evidence of ongoing relationship. What we had submitted was some 20 pictures. it seems this is considered as secondary evidence. we were never aware that photos are secondary.

Here is what we have, and i want to know from your experience whether it will be enough; problem is that we cannot think of anything else.

- first, the photos we submitted are not "film-dated", we will try getting a couple of film dated pictures to resubmit as secondary evidence. But if we don't find such pictures, do you think non "film-date" pictures are not even considered as secondary evidence? or are the 20 pictures good enough if we submit good primary evidence?

- Second, since we traveled together one year ago, do you think this constitutes a prove of that:

* we still have the e-ticket, showing both of us on the same plane air flight number.

* i don't have the boarding pass anymore, but she still has hers.

* we both have passport stamps of entry and exit with date (i'll need to officially translate the stamp to english).

- if the above i not enough, we are trying to contact the airline company, to send us a signed/official letter certifying that we both boarded on that flight. do you think that will help? is it necessary?

- Finally, she still has the airplane ticket = boarding pass of her coming to Lebanon and we can put the description, that she came from the u.s. to spend time with me. I know this is one is not strong strong evidence.

But all in all, what do you think? I am so worried

*Being* on a plane at the same time doesn't necessarily mean that you met. *Being* in the same country at the same time doesn't either. You will need to demonstrate that you were together. The photos might show you met in person, but without a date does it prove the requirement that you "met in person within the last X number of months? Think of the evidentiary requirement as a picture,and your evidence as the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. What pieces of evidence do you have that can complete the picture?

While a combination of evidence is preferrable and usually available, USCIS will take evidence people were in the same country at the same time as the primary evidence of meeting. Usually there are pictures or other evidence to go with it or multiple evidence of the same thing like boarding passes AND passport stamps. Then if you put pictures of the two together that are good enough to see its the same two people in the passport pictures submitted, it's good enough.

Proof of ongoing fiance/e relationship would be emails, letters, phone logs, engagement ring receipts (ahem!), additional visits to your SO in their country

Proof of traveling and having met your fiance/e within the last two years would be any airline itineraries or ticket stubs, dated photographs, receipts for restaurants or other attractions visited together (you can submit photos that are undeniably of the attraction or the restaurant, with the two of you together in said photo), hotel receipts, and anything else that can place you with your SO within the last two years.

Think of it this way. You are in a court case and you are the defendant. Your whole case hinges on whether you were with your SO at a certain time. The prosecutor has just cast reasonable doubt that you were in a certain location at a certain time with a certain person. You now have the burden of proof, and must prove to a judge that you were with your SO in that time frame. Prove that you are only guilty of being with your SO at that time.

THANK YOU all for your replies which helped us collect further evidence!

Here is what we are able and will submit tomorrow:

- passport stamps entering and exiting on same days.

- proof that we were on same plane (boarding pass, document provided by airline company).

- double e-ticket with both our names on it.

- a picture of us in the destination country (egypt), next to pyramids, so it becomes undeniable

- mention (reminder) of the original proof we had sent (some 15 pictures with the date and place written on their back).

- printout of a a few recent email communication.

what do you think about our status now??

[kitty loves moudi 0]

Hey all,

I need to have your feedback on this, as we need to prepare the documents in no time.

Basically, we got an RFE for not enough evidence of ongoing relationship. What we had submitted was some 20 pictures. it seems this is considered as secondary evidence. we were never aware that photos are secondary.

Here is what we have, and i want to know from your experience whether it will be enough; problem is that we cannot think of anything else.

- first, the photos we submitted are not "film-dated", we will try getting a couple of film dated pictures to resubmit as secondary evidence. But if we don't find such pictures, do you think non "film-date" pictures are not even considered as secondary evidence? or are the 20 pictures good enough if we submit good primary evidence?

- Second, since we traveled together one year ago, do you think this constitutes a prove of that:

* we still have the e-ticket, showing both of us on the same plane air flight number.

* i don't have the boarding pass anymore, but she still has hers.

* we both have passport stamps of entry and exit with date (i'll need to officially translate the stamp to english).

- if the above i not enough, we are trying to contact the airline company, to send us a signed/official letter certifying that we both boarded on that flight. do you think that will help? is it necessary?

- Finally, she still has the airplane ticket = boarding pass of her coming to Lebanon and we can put the description, that she came from the u.s. to spend time with me. I know this is one is not strong strong evidence.

But all in all, what do you think? I am so worried

*Being* on a plane at the same time doesn't necessarily mean that you met. *Being* in the same country at the same time doesn't either. You will need to demonstrate that you were together. The photos might show you met in person, but without a date does it prove the requirement that you "met in person within the last X number of months? Think of the evidentiary requirement as a picture,and your evidence as the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. What pieces of evidence do you have that can complete the picture?

While a combination of evidence is preferrable and usually available, USCIS will take evidence people were in the same country at the same time as the primary evidence of meeting. Usually there are pictures or other evidence to go with it or multiple evidence of the same thing like boarding passes AND passport stamps. Then if you put pictures of the two together that are good enough to see its the same two people in the passport pictures submitted, it's good enough.

Proof of ongoing fiance/e relationship would be emails, letters, phone logs, engagement ring receipts (ahem!), additional visits to your SO in their country

Proof of traveling and having met your fiance/e within the last two years would be any airline itineraries or ticket stubs, dated photographs, receipts for restaurants or other attractions visited together (you can submit photos that are undeniably of the attraction or the restaurant, with the two of you together in said photo), hotel receipts, and anything else that can place you with your SO within the last two years.

Think of it this way. You are in a court case and you are the defendant. Your whole case hinges on whether you were with your SO at a certain time. The prosecutor has just cast reasonable doubt that you were in a certain location at a certain time with a certain person. You now have the burden of proof, and must prove to a judge that you were with your SO in that time frame. Prove that you are only guilty of being with your SO at that time.

THANK YOU all for your replies which helped us collect further evidence!

Here is what we are able and will submit tomorrow:

- passport stamps entering and exiting on same days.

- proof that we were on same plane (boarding pass, document provided by airline company).

- double e-ticket with both our names on it.

- a picture of us in the destination country (egypt), next to pyramids, so it becomes undeniable

- mention (reminder) of the original proof we had sent (some 15 pictures with the date and place written on their back).

- printout of a a few recent email communication.

what do you think about our status now??

If both of you travelled to Egypt, where did you stay? Hotel receipts? Rental Car? Tickets to tours you had? Also you mentioned she visited you in lebanon, again.. where did she stay? Any chance of receipts for that, receipts of credit cards used? receipts of ATM use there?

All these things I submitted along with itineraries of each trip, pictures with details written the back of each even some grocery receipts

[pushbrk 12,106]

Hey all,

I need to have your feedback on this, as we need to prepare the documents in no time.

Basically, we got an RFE for not enough evidence of ongoing relationship. What we had submitted was some 20 pictures. it seems this is considered as secondary evidence. we were never aware that photos are secondary.

Here is what we have, and i want to know from your experience whether it will be enough; problem is that we cannot think of anything else.

- first, the photos we submitted are not "film-dated", we will try getting a couple of film dated pictures to resubmit as secondary evidence. But if we don't find such pictures, do you think non "film-date" pictures are not even considered as secondary evidence? or are the 20 pictures good enough if we submit good primary evidence?

- Second, since we traveled together one year ago, do you think this constitutes a prove of that:

* we still have the e-ticket, showing both of us on the same plane air flight number.

* i don't have the boarding pass anymore, but she still has hers.

* we both have passport stamps of entry and exit with date (i'll need to officially translate the stamp to english).

- if the above i not enough, we are trying to contact the airline company, to send us a signed/official letter certifying that we both boarded on that flight. do you think that will help? is it necessary?

- Finally, she still has the airplane ticket = boarding pass of her coming to Lebanon and we can put the description, that she came from the u.s. to spend time with me. I know this is one is not strong strong evidence.

But all in all, what do you think? I am so worried

*Being* on a plane at the same time doesn't necessarily mean that you met. *Being* in the same country at the same time doesn't either. You will need to demonstrate that you were together. The photos might show you met in person, but without a date does it prove the requirement that you "met in person within the last X number of months? Think of the evidentiary requirement as a picture,and your evidence as the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. What pieces of evidence do you have that can complete the picture?

While a combination of evidence is preferrable and usually available, USCIS will take evidence people were in the same country at the same time as the primary evidence of meeting. Usually there are pictures or other evidence to go with it or multiple evidence of the same thing like boarding passes AND passport stamps. Then if you put pictures of the two together that are good enough to see its the same two people in the passport pictures submitted, it's good enough.

Proof of ongoing fiance/e relationship would be emails, letters, phone logs, engagement ring receipts (ahem!), additional visits to your SO in their country

Proof of traveling and having met your fiance/e within the last two years would be any airline itineraries or ticket stubs, dated photographs, receipts for restaurants or other attractions visited together (you can submit photos that are undeniably of the attraction or the restaurant, with the two of you together in said photo), hotel receipts, and anything else that can place you with your SO within the last two years.

Think of it this way. You are in a court case and you are the defendant. Your whole case hinges on whether you were with your SO at a certain time. The prosecutor has just cast reasonable doubt that you were in a certain location at a certain time with a certain person. You now have the burden of proof, and must prove to a judge that you were with your SO in that time frame. Prove that you are only guilty of being with your SO at that time.

THANK YOU all for your replies which helped us collect further evidence!

Here is what we are able and will submit tomorrow:

- passport stamps entering and exiting on same days.

- proof that we were on same plane (boarding pass, document provided by airline company).

- double e-ticket with both our names on it.

- a picture of us in the destination country (egypt), next to pyramids, so it becomes undeniable

- mention (reminder) of the original proof we had sent (some 15 pictures with the date and place written on their back).

- printout of a a few recent email communication.

what do you think about our status now??

I think you have enough but remember, printouts of email communication have nothing to do with evidence of meeting. You can save those for showing a bona fide ongoing relationship at interview time.