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WASHINGTON — Nobel Peace Prize winner and international symbol of freedom Nelson Mandela is flagged on U.S. terrorist watch lists and needs special permission to visit the USA. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice calls the situation "embarrassing," and some members of Congress vow to fix it.

The requirement applies to former South African leader Mandela and other members of South Africa's governing African National Congress (ANC), the once-banned anti-Apartheid organization. In the 1970s and '80s, the ANC was officially designated a terrorist group by the country's ruling white minority. Other countries, including the United States, followed suit.

Because of this, Rice told a Senate committee recently, her department has to issue waivers for ANC members to travel to the USA.

"This is a country with which we now have excellent relations, South Africa, but it's frankly a rather embarrassing matter that I still have to waive in my own counterpart, the foreign minister of South Africa, not to mention the great leader Nelson Mandela," Rice said.

Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., chairman of the House International Relations Committee, is pushing a bill that would remove current and former ANC leaders from the watch lists. Supporters hope to get it passed before Mandela's 90th birthday July 18.

"What an indignity," Berman said. "The ANC set an important example: It successfully made the change from armed struggle to peace. We should celebrate the transformation."

In 1990, Mandela was freed after 27 years in prison for crimes committed during the struggle against Apartheid, a repressive regime that subjugated black South Africans. In 1994, he was elected South Africa's first black president.

Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., called ANC members' inclusion on watch lists a "bureaucratic snafu" and pledged to fix the problem.

Members of other groups deemed a terrorist threat, such as Hamas, also are on the watch lists.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff says "common sense" suggests Mandela should be removed. He says the issue "raises a troubling and difficult debate about what groups are considered terrorists and which are not."

When ANC members apply for visas to the USA, they are flagged for questioning and need a waiver to be allowed in the country. In 2002, former ANC chairman Tokyo Sexwale was denied a visa. In 2007, Barbara Masekela, South Africa's ambassador to the United States from 2002 to 2006, was denied a visa to visit her ailing cousin and didn't get a waiver until after the cousin had died, Berman's legislation says.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-04...watchlist_N.htm


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"This is a country with which we now have excellent relations, South Africa, but it's frankly a rather embarrassing matter that I still have to waive in my own counterpart, the foreign minister of South Africa, not to mention the great leader Nelson Mandela," Rice said.

I'm just glad she recognizes that.


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he always did seem rather shifty to me... :blink:

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So get the waiver and quit complaining ... :bonk:

It's not as if there aren't "special connections" that can make this happen quickly ...

Is that directed at Condoleezza, or Berman, or Gregg, or Chertoff ?


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Oh no's...the hyperfocused buzz! This could be the makings of an awesome side project !


Don't just open your mouth and prove yourself a fool....put it in writing.

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So get the waiver and quit complaining ... :bonk:

It's not as if there aren't "special connections" that can make this happen quickly ...

Is that directed at Condoleezza, or Berman, or Gregg, or Chertoff ?

Mandela

I don't see anything in the article about Mandela complaining.


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So get the waiver and quit complaining ... :bonk:

It's not as if there aren't "special connections" that can make this happen quickly ...

Is that directed at Condoleezza, or Berman, or Gregg, or Chertoff ?

Mandela

I don't see anything in the article about Mandela complaining.

then why the article about Mandela ?

Oh wait .. this is just a random example ... :whistle:

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So get the waiver and quit complaining ... :bonk:

It's not as if there aren't "special connections" that can make this happen quickly ...

Is that directed at Condoleezza, or Berman, or Gregg, or Chertoff ?

Mandela

I don't see anything in the article about Mandela complaining.

then why the article about Mandela ?

Oh wait .. this is just a random example ... :whistle:

I am not sure what you are trying to say -- do you feel that the story is not newsworthy for some reason, and that USA Today should not have published it ?

It seems to be current news. According to the article, Rice recently told a Senate committee about having to issue waivers, and this subsequently prompted the current effort underway to remove the ANC from the terror list -- as the article mentions, before July when Mandela turns 90.


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So get the waiver and quit complaining ... :bonk:

It's not as if there aren't "special connections" that can make this happen quickly ...

Is that directed at Condoleezza, or Berman, or Gregg, or Chertoff ?

Mandela

I don't see anything in the article about Mandela complaining.

then why the article about Mandela ?

Oh wait .. this is just a random example ... :whistle:

I am not sure what you are trying to say -- do you feel that the story is not newsworthy for some reason, and that USA Today should not have published it ?

It seems to be current news. According to the article, Rice recently told a Senate committee about having to issue waivers, and this subsequently prompted the current effort underway to remove the ANC from the terror list -- as the article mentions, before July when Mandela turns 90.

And who is mentioned as the "squeaky wheel" ... :bonk:

so he turns 90 in July ... Happy Birthday to Mandela !!!

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i like mandela..never a supporter of winnie


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So get the waiver and quit complaining ... :bonk:

It's not as if there aren't "special connections" that can make this happen quickly ...

Is that directed at Condoleezza, or Berman, or Gregg, or Chertoff ?

Mandela

I don't see anything in the article about Mandela complaining.

then why the article about Mandela ?

Oh wait .. this is just a random example ... :whistle:

Funny, I thought the article was a about a document, the watch list, which apparently is a bit inaccurate... :mellow:


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So get the waiver and quit complaining ... :bonk:

It's not as if there aren't "special connections" that can make this happen quickly ...

Is that directed at Condoleezza, or Berman, or Gregg, or Chertoff ?

Mandela

I don't see anything in the article about Mandela complaining.

then why the article about Mandela ?

Oh wait .. this is just a random example ... :whistle:

I am not sure what you are trying to say -- do you feel that the story is not newsworthy for some reason, and that USA Today should not have published it ?

It seems to be current news. According to the article, Rice recently told a Senate committee about having to issue waivers, and this subsequently prompted the current effort underway to remove the ANC from the terror list -- as the article mentions, before July when Mandela turns 90.

And who is mentioned as the "squeaky wheel" ... :bonk:

so he turns 90 in July ... Happy Birthday to Mandela !!!

I don't see any mention of a "squeaky wheel."

The only remarks that resemble "complaining" about the situation are those from Rice, Berman, Gregg and Chertoff -- and they all seem to be in agreement that current and former members of the ANC should be removed from the terror list.

Perhaps you are reading another article ?


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