ababdonment

[StillThePrettiest 4]

would you feel the same way if they ran screaming down the corridor yelling that there WAS a fire, so that hundreds of people stampeded out of the building, maybe getting hurt in the process, and then later sheepishly said that they had seen some smoke and just assumed...?

I will state, AGAIN: I have no problem with this scenario (ie runaway bride had it planned from the beginning etc etc) being put out there as ONE POSSIBLE SCENARIO

it can even be stated as THE MOST LIKELY scenario

however, to state it as FACT is irresponsible, at best

and THAT is the issue I have been debating

there are ways and means of 'raising the alarm', as you put it, and it's NOT just about 'say it my way, or don't say it at all'; if you can read all I've said above and still come away with that conclusion then I despair

Edited February 5, 2008 by StillThePrettiest

[john_and_marlene 162]

would you feel the same way if they ran screaming down the corridor yelling that there WAS a fire, so that hundreds of people stampeded out of the building, maybe getting hurt in the process, and then later sheepishly said that they had seen some smoke and just assumed...?

I will state, AGAIN: I have no problem with this scenario (ie runaway bride had it planned from the beginning etc etc) being put out there as ONE POSSIBLE SCENARIO

it can even be stated as THE MOST LIKELY scenario

however, to state it as FACT is irresponsible, at best

and THAT is the issue I have been debating

there are ways and means of 'raising the alarm', as you put it, and it's NOT just about 'say it my way, or don't say it at all'; if you can read all I've said above and still come away with that conclusion then I despair

If I had been commenting regarding your posts, I would have quoted them. You seem to be jumping to conclusions.

[zqt3344 21]

RIGHT ON!

I don't understand why everybody is up and attacking tito for his comments. He gave his views on how the OP should protect himself from possible situations that *could* come into play by his wife splitting. Generalizations as they may be about Russian women, they do happen, they happen so often that their are soo many stories of them.

I ride with 2 guys on the train each day for the past 7 yrs to work. Both found their Russian ladies to end up in the exact situation as the OP has described and tito. The Russian ladies are trained before they leave Russia on the process. They have people here locally that keep on with the schooling of what the process is and how to prepare for the split, and what to have taken care of before she can take off running. They choose their mates by location practically, due to other Russian ladies (and where they are) that will be able to help/coach them in the US on the next steps. This is a well thought out plan. It is the USCs who get fooled in the process because they have no idea what is comming.

The process of getting an SSN, a drivers license, car & credit card are standard practice before they leave. Then comes the filing for abuse to get the GC. Happened to people I know, so I'm speaking from their experiences. This forum is to help those in problems with advice. I belive that's what tito was doing, giving advice about the possible sitiations that arrise after the OPs wife took off with no form of contact. So attacks from others, who don't have experience on the topic aren't fair or knowledgable and shouldn't have a place here on VJ.

[zqt3344 21]

YOU ARE RIGHT ON! and everything you just said in this post is what I tried to say in previous post kindly, I have even had my own spouse from that part of the world warn me about this sort of scam, and to make sure I tell any of my American friends that are thinking about meeting any Russian or Ukrainian or former Soviet Union women, for what you just described does go on and the women are coached and do not think twice about this scam/hustle and it is all pre-planned with lots of advice and help in advance, even those dating agencies or mail order bride services. I remember when I first had my spouse tell me about this, I was shocked, but was told to open my eyes it goes on and to tell any America to be very careful when going the mail order bride or Russian/Ukraine or former Soviet Union dating services route. Another thing is that fact that lot of times it is done purely for the money, sadly there is no love involved at all. I could go on and on and cite many and numerous examples of this that I have seen first hand but Tito and you are on it and say it so well.

well i might as well give my thoughts on this while it is still fresh. tito and i have had some discussion about this type of situation in the past few days and as much as i hate to say it he may be on to something. am going through a situation with a employee so have not had time to comment till tonight . a good friend of mine met a girl from russia on the internet (very good looking) they talked for awhile and then after 6 months he went to see her. (even better) within a year she was here and they were married. after 6 months of marriage she told him something that knocked his socks off. seems she never had any intentions of staying married after she got here and originally had planned through a agency in Moscow the divorce, claims of abuse, how to create bruises ect. the whole plan was done as soon as he proposed and filed for the fiance visa. the agency even helped her fill out the paperwork so all she had to do was submit it. cool huh? // now the good part. the dumb sh-t must have done something right because she fell in love with him and wants to spend the rest of her life with him. she had twins last November and is expecting again. they are very happy, but she warns that there are agencys that are based in moscow and the U.S. that are doing this to unsuspecting USC. so i have to say (just this one time tito might be on to something) i know this is not the same in all cases but there are far more from russia being reported than anywhere else. they sure produce beautiful women in russia though. must be the caviar AL

[Nanusia & Lukaszek 0]

would you feel the same way if they ran screaming down the corridor yelling that there WAS a fire, so that hundreds of people stampeded out of the building, maybe getting hurt in the process, and then later sheepishly said that they had seen some smoke and just assumed...?

I will state, AGAIN: I have no problem with this scenario (ie runaway bride had it planned from the beginning etc etc) being put out there as ONE POSSIBLE SCENARIO

it can even be stated as THE MOST LIKELY scenario

however, to state it as FACT is irresponsible, at best

and THAT is the issue I have been debating

there are ways and means of 'raising the alarm', as you put it, and it's NOT just about 'say it my way, or don't say it at all'; if you can read all I've said above and still come away with that conclusion then I despair

There are many possible scenario's why someone can run. But when you hear what has happened to the OP in steps, and know people who had experienced with EXACT same situations time and time again, and 99.9% of the time it was all set up. You know its all fraud from the get go, and you should protect yourself immediately, that's the point of this whole thread.

If there is smoke, there is a fire. Don't assume there isn't. Pull the alarm, warn others.

People here stating that the OP's bride was set up, are speaking from experiences or stories from who this has happened to. You are stating that it doesn't or is not the scenario, based on what?

[tito 1]

I was wrong once. That one time I actually thought I was wrong. But I wasn't.

Seriously, people...there's no way to sugar coat some things when they're like a huge left hook coming at you in super-slow motion. You see it coming, so you take necessary precautions. If the way the warning comes offends your particular sensitivities, well, grow up and deal with it. If you are one who was offended or whose sensibilities were ruffled, I humbly apologize. Still...deal with it. Those sensitivities are obviously not common to everyone, and some people understand the manner in which the posts on this thread were intended.

So says The Wolf: "If I'm curt with you it's because time is a factor. I think fast, I talk fast and I need you guys to act fast if you wanna get out of this. So, pretty please... with sugar on top. Clean the ****ng car!"

This stuff just cannot be sugar-coated so that we all have warm fuzzies.

Edited February 5, 2008 by tito

[Jeraly 4]

So says The Wolf: "If I'm curt with you it's because time is a factor. I think fast, I talk fast and I need you guys to act fast if you wanna get out of this. So, pretty please... with sugar on top. Clean the ****ng car!"

So fast that you need nine hundred and sixty seven posts to say it?

[StillThePrettiest 4]

oh, for frank's sake

I really, completely and utterly fail to see how asking someone to stick to facts is the same as 'sugar-coating' something, or giving someone *wince* 'warm fuzzies'

makes a mockery of the court vow to 'tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth'; that's evidently just so people FEEL good; sticking to the facts!! tsk tsk

however, we don't seem to be dealing with much logic here, and no one has actually addressed the points I have raised, preferring instead to deal with stuff they've just made up (or, on a couple of occasions, points I have SPECIFICALLY NOTED I am not making)

oh well, it's been... educational

[tito 1]

No...the REALITY can't be sugar-coated...no matter what that reality happens to be. Chances are VERY high that it's as bleak a picture as I painted. There's no opinion, really...just observation. You are making the judgment and rendering opinions...not me. Given my direct personal and professional experience, and the facts as presented, the reasonably probable outcome is as I have stated. Once again, I hope your particular situation works out. You have a ways to go. But for the OP, the circumstances have already begun to be played out, and in a VAST majority of the cases, the next steps are as I described in one way or another. The OP should take steps to protect himself...as should anybody in such a situation (Russian bride; leaves and is unheard from after 2 months of marriage...etc., etc.)

[Minya's wife 25]

Y'all realize that the OP hasn't been back since his last post on page 2 of this thread? Dunno, but I don't see how the back and forth is actually helping if we have no further information from the OP. We've been told(from the horse's mouth) very little about the circumstances, and until/if the OP updates us on the situation, we're left speculating about the causes of said "abandonment".

-P

[William33 110]

The "off topic" back and forth continues without end.

Given the lack of further advice to the OP, this thread is now closed.

Edited February 5, 2008 by William33