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14 minutes ago, abum said:
Yes or No:
1. Did Obama follow the process to take documents via National Archive? - YES2. Did Trump follow the process to take documents home WITHOUT NATIONAL ARCHIVE's process? -NO (HE DID NOT FOLLOW THE DUE PROCESS TO TAKE DOCUMENTS AFTER LEAVING OFFICE)
3. Did NA seek documents from Obama? - NO
4. Did NA seek documents from Trump? - YES
In other words, there’s no parallel.
Here is the cheatsheet, if you intend to answer later. Easy peasy.
3 minutes ago, Mike E said:Ok I tried. So long.
The feeling is mutual bruh.
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9 minutes ago, Mike E said:
I’m not going to respond to deflection.
yes or no:
1. Did Obama take documents home before he left office?
2. Did other presidents before Obama take documents home before leaving office?
3. Did a member of visajourney on this thread question why Trump needed documents at home before he left office?
Yes or No:
1. Did Obama follow the process to take documents via National Archive?2. Did Trump follow the process to take documents home WITHOUT NATIONAL ARCHIVE's process?
3. Did NA seek documents from Obama?
4. Did NA seek documents from Trump?
QuoteAnd on Friday, after Trump raised the issue again, the Archives sought to put an end to the charade. It issued a statement outlining these facts and assuring that it has custody of classified documents:
The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) assumed exclusive legal and physical custody of Obama Presidential records when President Barack Obama left office in 2017, in accordance with the Presidential Records Act (PRA). NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA. Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration.In other words, there’s no parallel.
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3 hours ago, abum said:
if only cult followers are able to read
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/11/fox-trump-maralago-search-obama/
But that doesn’t mean it bears any resemblance to what prompted the Trump search.
In other words, there’s no parallel.If you do not know what my point is, have a read of the news above, easier if i quote myself.
and reflect again on your "PERIOD" conclusion which is nonsensical as THERE IS NO PARALLEL between the two events, as everyone with a modicum of intelligence knows. (quoting another forum member). -
14 minutes ago, Mike E said:
Not at all. From your article:
”Baier on Friday rejected the comparison during a Fox News segment, saying that while Obama had relocated the documents,”
So Obama relocated documents. Period.
Premise: "Trump lived in White House, Obama lived in White House."
Conclusion: "So Trump is OBAMA!!!!!11111One ... Period!"
Hahahaha. I always surprised how it can be more nonsensical than the comments before.Perhaps read more of the news, i even pasted it above.
In other words, there’s no parallel.Also, before pasting unrelated news, have a read of what Bill Barr and Ivanka agreed to. Or maybe not, as Ivanka might not have a modicum of intelligence.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-lawsuits-election-results-2020-11
OMG all the courts lied too?
"Trump and his allies filed more than 40 lawsuits challenging the 2020 election results. All of them failed."
geez, get a grip of reality instead of clutching at straws trying to support the cult mentality. -
9 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:
I've got an idea... let's stop talking about Trump. Instead, can you outline what you think Biden has done good for us since you elected him?
"let's stop talking about Trump" in a thread about FBI seizing top secret documents from Trump's residence?That is an interesting suggestion. Not sure why anyone would want to do that.
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20 minutes ago, laylalex said:
Thoroughly debunked, a few days back.
as expected of the compulsive liar (of which Trump cult followers will say "all politicians lie so what???")
if only cult followers are able to read
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/11/fox-trump-maralago-search-obama/
QuoteBut that doesn’t mean it bears any resemblance to what prompted the Trump search. As was reported back in late 2016, the Obama team was transferring the records to Chicago through the National Archives, which legally owns the documents once a president leaves office. Once the documents ultimately reached a warehouse in Chicago, the Obama Foundation was then due to pay the National Archives and Record Administration to digitize the documents. The lengthiness of that process aside, there isn’t the faintest hint of legal violations — nor does the New York Post’s story suggest as much.
The faintest hint of evidence, of course, is currently surplus to requirements on many portions of the right. Hannity stated conspiratorially that “they shipped 30 million pages of sensitive and possibly classified materials to Chicago,” without noting that the “they” included the National Archives.
The implication is that perhaps Obama, too, is surreptitiously obscuring his sensitive documents — but without being searched. But there’s no evidence he has hidden anything from the Archives or that he didn’t go through the processes required to share and protect those documents once they leave Washington.
And on Friday, after Trump raised the issue again, the Archives sought to put an end to the charade. It issued a statement outlining these facts and assuring that it has custody of classified documents:
The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) assumed exclusive legal and physical custody of Obama Presidential records when President Barack Obama left office in 2017, in accordance with the Presidential Records Act (PRA). NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA. Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration.In other words, there’s no parallel.
the cult's excuse and defense mechanism would always be "whataboutism" - Her Emails!!! His Laptops!! Obama shipped documents!!
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1 minute ago, laylalex said:
But from what I understand it doesn't matter if the records were classified or unclassified. The statutes (2 out of 3? I think) don't have to do with whether the documents were classified. And whether Trump actually declassified them is an open question, but not really relevant.
Why did he have these documents anyway, why did he store them in a location that was near the pool with just a padlock on them, and why did his lawyer swear under oath that all the documents had been returned when they hadn't? I really don't understand why a former president would need to hold on to things after leaving office. This isn't like a paperweight he liked, or a bust of (for a random example) Thatcher. What purpose does he have for them now?
I work around lawyers, and they are all of the same opinion that Trump needs better lawyers.
are you expecting a rational answer? heh...
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7 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:
Well, technically he did. But it was stolen from him, as everyone with a modicum of intelligence knows.
https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d
OMG, Bill Barr didn't believe the lie?
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/09/1104081027/ivanka-trump-said-she-accepted-barrs-conclusion-that-the-2020-election-wasnt-sto
OMG Ivanka doesn't have a modicum of intelligence?
Trump cultist can believe all the lies they want, it wont make it true. -
1 minute ago, LIBrty4all said:
Well, technically he did. But it was stolen from him, as everyone with a modicum of intelligence knows.
should have a chat with this guy, apparently he knows about politicians say thing that are not consistent with what they said before.
On 8/16/2022 at 10:49 PM, Mike E said:Wow politicians sometimes say things that aren’t consistent with what they said before. Who knew?
/s
need to update this image.
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Allen Weisselberg is charged with taking more than $1.7 million in off-the-books compensation from the Trump Organization over several years, including untaxed perks like rent, car payments and school tuition.
The plea deal would require Weisselberg to speak in court Thursday about the company’s role in the alleged compensation arrangement and possibly serve as a witness when the Trump Organization goes on trial in October on related charges, the people said.
The two people were not authorized to speak publicly about the case and did so on condition of anonymity.
Weisselberg, 75, is likely to receive a sentence of five months in jail, to be served at New York City’s notorious Rikers Island complex, and he could be required to pay about $2 million in restitution, including taxes, penalties and interest, the people said. If that punishment holds, Weisselberg would be eligible for release after about 100 days.
Should have plead the fifth, like the Innocent Mob and not forgetting the hypocrite clown who peddled lies of him winning the 2020 election and helped staged insurrection on Jan 6th. -
https://www.chron.com/politics/article/CPAC-Dallas-we-are-all-domestic-terrorists-banner-17359959.php
encouraging more home grown Domestic Terrorists i see.
"So what?" right?
But her Emails!! his Laptop!!! -
7 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:
If we are going to quote someone, let's try to be accurate. For example:
But don't take MY word for it. Use the "horse's mouth" concept -
Forgot about this video? Best words as he had claimed7 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:It appears your computer stopped before you could finish the Trump quote?
Oh wait, I know... it's ok, let me help you out:
The bold is the part you conveniently left out of your "direct quote" from the Donald.
maybe have a discussion with this Trump supporter about believing Trump's words?
8 hours ago, Mike E said:Wow politicians sometimes say things that aren’t consistent with what they said before. Who knew?
/s
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6 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:
Again, your computer seems to have a mind of its own, and misses some things. Since I have a more modern device, allow me to assist you in spreading the word:
OMG, of course they are "all declassified" as Trump, who repeatedly claimed he had had won 2020 election, had said!!
8 hours ago, Mike E said:Wow politicians sometimes say things that aren’t consistent with what they said before. Who knew?
/s
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/12/fbi-attacker-trump-capitol-riot-truth-social
QuoteThe armed man killed after attacking an FBI office on Thursday appears to have been a Donald Trump supporter enraged about the federal raid on Mar-a-Lago who documented his attack as it happened on Trump’s social media platform, Truth Social.
The man may also have been present at the January 6 riot at the US Capitol When the FBI executed a search warrant on Trump’s Florida property on Monday, reportedly in search of classified White House documents, Trump told supporters his house was “under siege, raided, and occupied”, leading some extreme Trump supporters online to speak of civil war.
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Trump went above and beyond when it comes to lying, and blind supporters will just say "all politicians lie" to sooth themselves.
LOL.
Lets just hear how Trump said fifth amendment, HORRIBLE!!
The "innocent mob" should just use Trump blind's supporters' excuses after this
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https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-director-chris-wray-trump-nominated-approved-mara-lago-raid-2022-8
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/07/trump-fbi-director-nominee-christopher-wray-239238
“If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” -
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Aug 12 (Reuters) - FBI agents in this week's search of former U.S. President Donald Trump's Florida home removed 11 sets of classified documents including some marked as top secret, the Justice Department said on Friday, while also disclosing it had probable cause to conduct the search based on possible Espionage Act violations.
The bombshell disclosures were made in a search warrant approved by a U.S. magistrate judge and accompanying documents released four days after agents searched Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence in Palm Beach. The Espionage Act, one of three laws cited in the warrant application, dates to 1917 and makes it a crime to release information that could harm national security.
Trump, in a statement on his social media platform, said the records were "all declassified" and placed in "secure storage."
"They didn't need to 'seize' anything. They could have had it anytime they wanted without playing politics and breaking into Mar-a-Lago," the Republican businessman-turned-politician said.
The search was carried out as part of a federal investigation into whether Trump illegally removed documents when he left office in January 2021 after losing the presidential election two months earlier to Democrat Joe Biden.
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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/08/trump-takes-the-fifth.html
QuoteTrump has suggested on many occasions that people who invoke their right against self-incrimination are guilty. “You see the mob takes the Fifth,” Trump said during a 2016 rally in Iowa. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”
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31 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:
Well, it's officially official. California's electors just put Biden over 270. The 2020 election is now in the history books.
but but but but Trump could still win right? I mean, Supreme Court could still hand the election to him right? Right? who's with me?
and he did promise this - is he gonna leave WH now? i mean, today?
1 hour ago, laylalex said:funny that Trumpers believe the lies of Trump hiring the best of people, and yet quite a lot of them have issues with Trump and ended up being fired by that serial liar
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28 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:
Quote“We’re going to win so much that you’re going to be sick and tired. You’re going to say, ‘Please, please, Mr. President, we’re sick and tired of winning. Please let us have at least one loss. It’s no longer exciting to win.’ And I’m going to say, ‘No way, we’re going to keep winning, and I don’t care if you like it or not.’”
Didn't expect he was talking about Joe Biden!
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1 hour ago, moxy said:
Even if the Georgia election is invalidated though, it's still not enough to turn Biden's win around.
math is never their strong suit. well as long as the gullible keeps donating, then these fraudsters would feel they are doing something worthwhile for their dear leader.
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6 minutes ago, laylalex said:
So, back to topic -- what's left in terms of lawsuits now? What's left to change the result? I mean, now that The Big One is dead, what is left for Giuliani and the Kraken and all those legislators and the people from New California and New Nevada to roll out?
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2 minutes ago, moxy said:
There's probably something to the Hunter Biden story, and if there is then I would like to see justice done. But it sure is disingenuous that ya'll Trump supporters have spent the last four years completely dismissing any wrong-doing by the President and those around him. So yes, please clutch your pearls and regale us with yon stories of Hunter's mischief and misdeeds. But ignoring your guy and going after the other guy doesn't make you a concerned citizen or a patriot. It makes you a partisan tool.
i agree, way too many hatch act violations and they could not care any less
FBI seized top secret documents at Trump's home; Espionage Act cited
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When facts don't matter to cult members, they are free to say and write anything they like, just like their dear leader - The Serial Liar who claimed to have won 2020 election and encouraged a mob to attack the capitol, preventing the peaceful transfer of power.
Yep, clear case of Ad Hominem fallacy.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/12/search-warrant-shows-trump-under-investigation-for-potential-obstruction-of-justice-espionage-act-violations-00051507
yeah clearly facts don't matter.