Worrying new levels of barbarity in drug-infested Muslim suburbs in France

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

They're only teens!

Those wacky teens

[Caladan 19]

religion of peace...... blah blah...... yeah... right

Timothy McVeigh claimed to be a Christian.

...and Christians have caused more pain, suffering, and death in the world than anyone.

M_____s are taking a shot at the record on a daily basis. Yawn. How are those blinders fitting? Christianity matured and the killing stopped. While I___m chose never to stop and remain in the middle ages. Not all M_____s. But their religion is being hi-jacked by extremists and the moderates are only angry at the people calling out the terrorists. Crazy world.

I don't think this is correct. Moderate denunciations happen, but they're not reported in the mainstream press. (Makes sense. Doesn't sell papers to talk about pleasant, even-minded university panels.) Wahhabism is a serious problem, but there are a billion Muslims worldwide. If it were all of Islam, we'd already be screwed.

Anyhow, this story looks to be a classic ghetto + drugs = bad.

[MrsAmera 41]

Agreed - also only a portion of them are even Muslim, a lot of them are from former French colonies in West Africa which are not Muslim. The issue is economics, unemployment and a society that sees them as outcasts and not really "French". It's not neccesarily even a lack of jobs it's that the "French" won't hire them if they're name isn't "French" enough. Hmm Jim Crow anyone.....??

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Agreed - also only a portion of them are even Muslim, a lot of them are from former French colonies in West Africa which are not Muslim. The issue is economics, unemployment and a society that sees them as outcasts and not really "French". It's not neccesarily even a lack of jobs it's that the "French" won't hire them if they're name isn't "French" enough. Hmm Jim Crow anyone.....??

That was my understanding also.

Of course its not as though there aren't areas in the US where this sort of thing happens - parts of Newark, Jersey City, Irvington out here in NJ, not to mention that downtown LA (we used to live near Pasadena) is pretty dodgy at night; and that's before you get to the real ghettos in South Central....

[Jasman0717 9]

Enough is enough

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

They're only teens!

Those wacky teens

they just want a better life

[MrsAmera 41]

I think that many of you are not understanding the situation. A lot of these kids are not even immigrants, their parents or their grandparents were the immigrants, they speak French as a first language and have never lived in their native countries. Many of their parents were brought to France by the French either through the military or other industrial endeavors post WW2. So it's not like they "chose" to live there. The French brought them there and now they won't employ them and expect them to sit back, be happy that the government and French people treat them like ######? No I'm sorry I think any one of you would be rioting as well. And again let me point out they are not all Muslims, they are Christians or have traditional African beliefs, and the issue of religion has been brought into this not by them but by outsiders looking to attach a label.

[polarbear 0]

I think that many of you are not understanding the situation. A lot of these kids are not even immigrants, their parents or their grandparents were the immigrants, they speak French as a first language and have never lived in their native countries. Many of their parents were brought to France by the French either through the military or other industrial endeavors post WW2. So it's not like they "chose" to live there. The French brought them there and now they won't employ them and expect them to sit back, be happy that the government and French people treat them like ######? No I'm sorry I think any one of you would be rioting as well. And again let me point out they are not all Muslims, they are Christians or have traditional African beliefs, and the issue of religion has been brought into this not by them but by outsiders looking to attach a label.

Their parents didn't "choose" to be there, but were brought against their will and were given NO rights. This applies to their children as well. Imagine being born in a country, it is all you know, you are a native speaker of the language, but you are not allowed to be a part of the country and are denied the rights of citizenship. Essentially you have no country. And let me tell you, it is REALLY hard to get a job there without citizenship... even with the proper papers. The French protect their rights and the privilages of citizenship fiercely.

[MrsAmera 41]

I agree some of them were brought there but there was plenty of immigration to France and Germany especially, that while they may have been encouraged by the governement many of them did go at one point on false pretenses of a better life with the help of the government.

[mawilson 2,133]

The title should have been:

"Worrying new levels of barbarity in Muslim-infested drug suburbs in France"

[mawilson 2,133]

Their parents didn't "choose" to be there, but were brought against their will and were given NO rights. This applies to their children as well. Imagine being born in a country, it is all you know, you are a native speaker of the language, but you are not allowed to be a part of the country and are denied the rights of citizenship. Essentially you have no country. And let me tell you, it is REALLY hard to get a job there without citizenship... even with the proper papers. The French protect their rights and the privilages of citizenship fiercely.

Huh?

Who brought their parents against their will?

How exactly are they denied the rights of citizenship?

####### are you on about?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

The title should have been:

"Worrying new levels of barbarity in Muslim-infested drug suburbs in France"

That's not very nice

[peejay 327]

Their parents didn't "choose" to be there, but were brought against their will and were given NO rights. This applies to their children as well. Imagine being born in a country, it is all you know, you are a native speaker of the language, but you are not allowed to be a part of the country and are denied the rights of citizenship. Essentially you have no country. And let me tell you, it is REALLY hard to get a job there without citizenship... even with the proper papers. The French protect their rights and the privilages of citizenship fiercely.

Huh?

Who brought their parents against their will?

How exactly are they denied the rights of citizenship?

####### are you on about?

My thoughts exactly.

I saw an article in the news a while back that the French government was proposing to "pay" these people to repatriate back to their countries of origin. If true, that doesn't sound like they are being held in France against their will.

The truth is probably closer that they wouldn't return "home", even if they got paid to go.

[Peikko 1,575]

What generation descendant of an immigrant do you have to be before the country of your ancestors is no longer your 'home'?

A great way to create outrage though. "How dare they complain, we offered them money to go 'home' and they wouldn't take it!"

[sara535 15]

What generation descendant of an immigrant do you have to be before the country of your ancestors is no longer your 'home'?

A great way to create outrage though. "How dare they complain, we offered them money to go 'home' and they wouldn't take it!"

exactly. many of the 'immigrants' being referred to are second and even third generation French born, some of whom have never even visited their "home"country, so why would they go back there??