Are you fed up with USCIS yet?

[Zee Bee 61]

Maybe we should have just kept this in the other thread

I understand where everyone is coming from and I believe that, for the most part, people have good intentions with their suggestions but we all have different opinions. Rebeccajo has given us a different approach as to how to do this which I very much appreciate and agree with.

We know that USCIS is not going to bow down and do our bidding. We know that processing times are not going to magically go down. We know that our senators/congresspeople will probably throw the letters into their 'disgruntled constituent' pile. But we won't know unless we try. That is all we are doing, trying.

My question: is there something inherently wrong with writing letters? Some think it will be helpful and others not. Well, it won't hurt to try will it? If it doesn't work then....oh well. If it does work then good for us. Why all the ridicule? All the comments about newbies not knowing anything and needing to be schooled. Personally my immigration experience here is NOTHING compared to what I have had to deal with. I joined this site in April 2007 but have dealt with US immigration and immigration from 2 other countries for a long time. My longevity here should not be a gauge as to my level of experience dealing with immigration.

As for the attacking, it needs to stop on both sides. Attacking each other is not going to help anything and this is not newbies vs veterans. We saw some issues we wanted addressed and thought that letter writing was the best way to address them. If you have something constructive to say, pro or con, then by all means feel free to voice it.

[ramos96 1]

I think I have done that thank you

Please feel free and write all the letters you wish.

People who have been on the site a while have nothing to gauge what we may consider new people by other than their questions and the "Joined:" from date. So that is WHAT I go by when responding to someone here, that is my reference and probably for a lot of other people. So I appreciate your past experiences but now you are here on THIS site and YOUR "Joined" date is your reference date for people who DONT know anything about you, so please understand and respect that, and if you are doing that already then you know what I am trying to tell you.

ITS the INTERNET people you have to take it with a grain of salt and grow some thick skin.

Humbly,

Ramos

[Rob & Jin 0]

Maybe we should have just kept this in the other thread

I understand where everyone is coming from and I believe that, for the most part, people have good intentions with their suggestions but we all have different opinions. Rebeccajo has given us a different approach as to how to do this which I very much appreciate and agree with.

We know that USCIS is not going to bow down and do our bidding. We know that processing times are not going to magically go down. We know that our senators/congresspeople will probably throw the letters into their 'disgruntled constituent' pile. But we won't know unless we try. That is all we are doing, trying.

My question: is there something inherently wrong with writing letters? Some think it will be helpful and others not. Well, it won't hurt to try will it? If it doesn't work then....oh well. If it does work then good for us. Why all the ridicule? All the comments about newbies not knowing anything and needing to be schooled. Personally my immigration experience here is NOTHING compared to what I have had to deal with. I joined this site in April 2007 but have dealt with US immigration and immigration from 2 other countries for a long time. My longevity here should not be a gauge as to my level of experience dealing with immigration.

As for the attacking, it needs to stop on both sides. Attacking each other is not going to help anything and this is not newbies vs veterans. We saw some issues we wanted addressed and thought that letter writing was the best way to address them. If you have something constructive to say, pro or con, then by all means feel free to voice it.

i Agree

[Zee Bee 61]

I think I have done that thank you

Please feel free and write all the letters you wish.

People who have been on the site a while have nothing to gauge what we may consider new people by other than their questions and the "Joined:" from date. So that is WHAT I go by when responding to someone here, that is my reference and probably for a lot of other people. So I appreciate your past experiences but now you are here on THIS site and YOUR "Joined" date is your reference date for people who DONT know anything about you, so please understand and respect that, and if you are doing that already then you know what I am trying to tell you.

ITS the INTERNET people you have to take it with a grain of salt and grow some thick skin.

Humbly,

Ramos

I understand that. I normally could care less about that because I think in a lot of cases it is true. But I think that concept of "newbies knowing no better" has been thrown around a lot here.

I just wanted to make sure, for people reading this thread, that not all of us who want to write the letters are new to this whole mess of immigration.

Thanks for your input.

Edited September 19, 2007 by ZeeNusah

[rebeccajo 14]

As far as attacks go, the thing that really gets my goat is for somebody to even REMOTELY infer members who had a quick NOA2 'just don't understand'.

For those of you who feel that way, let me give you a reality check.

SOME OF US got quick approvals but we have stayed in this community anyway and tried to help those around us. We didn't just blow in here, suck out all the information we could get to help our case, and disappear as soon as we were reunited, only to turn up again when we have a problem with the next stage of immigration. We wouldn't keep posting here if we didn't care about those around us.

Even though I've been here nearly 3 years, I don't expect people to bow down and kiss my feet, or agree with everything I say.

But if you are thinking I don't understand what you are going through with your case, that I don't 'get' your problem, or can't relate because I haven't been there myself - well that's just bull$hit. If I didn't care I wouldn't still be here! I get sick to my eyeballs of being criticized or scolded around here for not patting people on their little heads. I'm a tough little lady who's lived longer than most of you. I've been around the block a time or two and I still came out alive and happy for it. Nobody paved my streets with gold or spoon-fed me - I had to take responsibility for my life, my family, and when I decided I was in love with an Irishman, I had to take personal responsibility for his immigration and for our case.

I like people and I care about people. It's about that simple. I don't have to walk a mile in your shoes to understand your little problem because I've got a few little problems of my own. Most days it make me feel a little bit less overwhelmed by my own 'deals' if I help people with theirs. But I'm not going to keep spinning my wheels around here for those of you won't give something back to this community besides your own heartburn.

Take responsibility for your case. Stop looking for spoon-fed answers. Stop looking for somebody to 'fix' your own issues. Read, research and learn. And don't just 'take'. Give back.

Edited September 19, 2007 by rebeccajo

[StillThePrettiest 4]

rebeccajo: the UTMOST respect, but that's YOUR issue, and I've seen you say it more than once, and I just don't see why it's relevant here

is there a reason not to write the letters?

could the content of the letter, or the list of recipients, be improved in some way?

if so, please elucidate

if not, why are we still talking about people's emotions? it's just not relevant

(PS using phrases like 'your little problem' and similar comes across as massively condescending, so I for one would appreciate a little less of that. Thanking you kindly in advance).

[ramos96 1]

I vote we make rebeccajo, the VJ grandma!!!

Your a straight shooter Rebeccajo, you have earned my respect for that, but you have to be a little nice sometimes

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, but then again do we want all those flies? lol

Humbly,

Ramos

[ramos96 1]

Mods: please lock the thread it has become a train wreck and it will never be on the tracks again.

Letter writers: Good luck

Non Letter writers: There are other posts in the forums that need your responses.

Ramos

[john_and_marlene 162]

Mods: please lock the thread it has become a train wreck and it will never be on the tracks again.

Letter writers: Good luck

Non Letter writers: There are other posts in the forums that need your responses.

Ramos

Please merge the three simultaneous threads first and then lock it.

[rebeccajo 14]

rebeccajo: the UTMOST respect, but that's YOUR issue, and I've seen you say it more than once, and I just don't see why it's relevant here

is there a reason not to write the letters?

could the content of the letter, or the list of recipients, be improved in some way?

if so, please elucidate

if not, why are we still talking about people's emotions? it's just not relevant

(PS using phrases like 'your little problem' and similar comes across as massively condescending, so I for one would appreciate a little less of that. Thanking you kindly in advance).

You'll also note I said I have a few little problems of my own. So there was no 'condescension' intended. I take some time when I post. Read me to get me or you might miss me. I'm sarcastic.

I'm talking about emotions because - if you're not emotional - why would you be caring if it takes longer THAN YOU THINK IT SHOULD for something to happen on your case? If there are members here who can tell you FACTS based upon their experience, and you don't accept the facts, then that is EMOTION taking over. Especially when it lowers itself to insulting people because they happened to have a bit more luck than you are presently having.

Please note - when I use the word 'you' I am not referring to you personally. I'm speaking in generalities about individual reactions.

[rebeccajo 14]

I vote we make rebeccajo, the VJ grandma!!!

Your a straight shooter Rebeccajo, you have earned my respect for that, but you have to be a little nice sometimes

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, but then again do we want all those flies? lol

Humbly,

Ramos

No I don't.

I get lots of honey.

[StillThePrettiest 4]

thank you for the reply

I read you, and I got you; I just don't happen to think sarcasm is the best way to keep things on track, or people feeling calm; I think it stirs things up unnecessarily, and adds to the impression of condescension, which results in people feeling annoyed; I would have thought that we'd be going out of our way to make the discussion positive, rather than otherwise (certainly I am trying to do so, which is why I deleted two replies before the one I posted)

the reasoning behind the letters, as far as I understood it, was not to bewail the fact that this is taking longer than anyone thinks it should, but rather to ask for a certain degree more information; to me the two are very different aims

I agree that insults, going in ANY direction, are regrettable and needless

but again I'd say, I don't think that's the issue at hand

[rebeccajo 14]

thank you for the reply

I read you, and I got you; I just don't happen to think sarcasm is the best way to keep things on track, or people feeling calm; I think it stirs things up unnecessarily, and adds to the impression of condescension, which results in people feeling annoyed; I would have thought that we'd be going out of our way to make the discussion positive, rather than otherwise (certainly I am trying to do so, which is why I deleted two replies before the one I posted)

the reasoning behind the letters, as far as I understood it, was not to bewail the fact that this is taking longer than anyone thinks it should, but rather to ask for a certain degree more information; to me the two are very different aims

I agree that insults, going in ANY direction, are regrettable and needless

but again I'd say, I don't think that's the issue at hand

I'm not opposed to the letter writing. I'm just not sure it's effective.

When I first came on VJ, things were a lot more 'casual'. If you think I'm sarcastic, you should have met tom90217 (I probably have that wrong) or some of the others who are now absent. Maybe we were just allowing a bit more room for each others personalities - I dunno.

[Sinergy 3]

I vote we make rebeccajo, the VJ grandma!!!

Your a straight shooter Rebeccajo, you have earned my respect for that, but you have to be a little nice sometimes

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, but then again do we want all those flies? lol

Humbly,

Ramos

No I don't.

I get lots of honey.

i agree, she doesnt HAVE to be nice, none of us do. and as far as us NON LETTER WRITERS, we are aware there are other threads to post in, this is one of those. we surely dont need anyones permission to post ANYWHERE, and seeing (as said many times before) this is a public forum, you cant pick and choose the responses you want to read.

[StillThePrettiest 4]

I don't think ANYONE's sure it's effective; I think people just want to take some action, beyond having a whinge on an internet forum... I work in international campaigning at the moment, and I've lost count of the times people have told me something we're doing is just not going to be effective... sometimes they're right; sometimes they're spectacularly wrong, and in any case, I'd rather be part of the solution than part of the problem in that regard

and perhaps I'm glad I wasn't here then... I always find it interesting how these sorts of things get put down to people's 'personalities'; strange how these personalities never seem to include natural politeness, or even some self-restraint...