African-Americans comprise 9% of the population of Los Angeles County, but are victims in 59% of all race-hate crimes

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TWO men will soon stand trial in Los Angeles in a murder case that does not involve white cops, a sportsman or a music producer. As a result, the trial is unlikely to receive minute-by-minute coverage on cable TV. Yet it will reveal as much about the edgy state of race relations in Los Angeles as the cases of Rodney King or O.J. Simpson. Perhaps more so, since it involves the two groups between which there is most tension. The accused men, Ernesto Alcarez and Jonathan Fajardo, are Hispanic. The victim, 14-year-old Cheryl Green—who, prosecutors say, died in a racially motivated attack—was black.

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“We're being overrun,” says Ted Hayes of Choose Black America, which has led anti-immigration marches in south-central Los Angeles. “The compañeros have taken all the housing. If you don't speak Spanish they turn you down for jobs. Our children are jumped upon in the schools. They are trying to drive us out.” Not, Mr Hayes emphasises, that he has anything against illegal immigrants personally, or against Mexicans who are in America legally. Indeed, he says, in that useful old phrase, he is friendly with many of them.

Last year Pew, a pollster, found that one-third of blacks believe immigrants take jobs from Americans—more than any other group. Yet in some ways their views were benign. Blacks are less likely than whites or even Hispanics to believe that immigrants end up on welfare or commit crimes. Latinos, on the other hand, appear to make no such concessions. One survey of Durham, in North Carolina, found that 59% of Latinos believed few or almost no blacks were hard-working, and a similar proportion reckoned few or almost none could be trusted. Fewer than one in ten whites felt the same way.

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In poor areas, closeness often means conflict. Los Angeles tallied more than 400 racial hate crimes last year—the most, as a proportion of all hate crimes, for at least a decade (see chart). Blacks fared worst: they comprise just 9% of the population of Los Angeles County but were the victims of 59% of all race-hate crimes. Seven times out of ten, their persecutors were Latino. Hispanics, who make up almost half the population, were victimised by blacks eight-tenths of the time. These numbers greatly understate the violence. They do not, for example, include the victims of a dozen interracial prison riots last year, which left two dead.

Gangs tend to be held responsible for such outrages, which is only partly fair. The 204th Street gang, which is alleged to be behind the murder of Cheryl Green, has a reputation for attacking innocent blacks.

http://www.economist.com/world/na/PrinterF...tory_id=9587776

[Heracles 417]

TWO men will soon stand trial in Los Angeles in a murder case that does not involve white cops, a sportsman or a music producer. As a result, the trial is unlikely to receive minute-by-minute coverage on cable TV. Yet it will reveal as much about the edgy state of race relations in Los Angeles as the cases of Rodney King or O.J. Simpson. Perhaps more so, since it involves the two groups between which there is most tension. The accused men, Ernesto Alcarez and Jonathan Fajardo, are Hispanic. The victim, 14-year-old Cheryl Green—who, prosecutors say, died in a racially motivated attack—was black.

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“We're being overrun,” says Ted Hayes of Choose Black America, which has led anti-immigration marches in south-central Los Angeles. “The compañeros have taken all the housing. If you don't speak Spanish they turn you down for jobs. Our children are jumped upon in the schools. They are trying to drive us out.” Not, Mr Hayes emphasises, that he has anything against illegal immigrants personally, or against Mexicans who are in America legally. Indeed, he says, in that useful old phrase, he is friendly with many of them.

Last year Pew, a pollster, found that one-third of blacks believe immigrants take jobs from Americans—more than any other group. Yet in some ways their views were benign. Blacks are less likely than whites or even Hispanics to believe that immigrants end up on welfare or commit crimes. Latinos, on the other hand, appear to make no such concessions. One survey of Durham, in North Carolina, found that 59% of Latinos believed few or almost no blacks were hard-working, and a similar proportion reckoned few or almost none could be trusted. Fewer than one in ten whites felt the same way.

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In poor areas, closeness often means conflict. Los Angeles tallied more than 400 racial hate crimes last year—the most, as a proportion of all hate crimes, for at least a decade (see chart). Blacks fared worst: they comprise just 9% of the population of Los Angeles County but were the victims of 59% of all race-hate crimes. Seven times out of ten, their persecutors were Latino. Hispanics, who make up almost half the population, were victimised by blacks eight-tenths of the time. These numbers greatly understate the violence. They do not, for example, include the victims of a dozen interracial prison riots last year, which left two dead.

Gangs tend to be held responsible for such outrages, which is only partly fair. The 204th Street gang, which is alleged to be behind the murder of Cheryl Green, has a reputation for attacking innocent blacks.

http://www.economist.com/world/na/PrinterF...tory_id=9587776

Apparently I remember someone else in VJ arguing there is very little Hispanic presence in LA..

PS I can also see how well their kids are integrating into America..

[Ban Hammer 14,469]

One survey of Durham, in North Carolina, found that 59% of Latinos believed few or almost no blacks were hard-working, and a similar proportion reckoned few or almost none could be trusted. Fewer than one in ten whites felt the same way.

interesting.........

[Heracles 417]

One survey of Durham, in North Carolina, found that 59% of Latinos believed few or almost no blacks were hard-working, and a similar proportion reckoned few or almost none could be trusted. Fewer than one in ten whites felt the same way.

interesting.........

I am going to love to see people's comments on this one.

But I am sure many of the people who have previously had a big mouth, in VJ, will go quiet in this issue..

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

One survey of Durham, in North Carolina, found that 59% of Latinos believed few or almost no blacks were hard-working, and a similar proportion reckoned few or almost none could be trusted. Fewer than one in ten whites felt the same way.

interesting.........

I am going to love to see people's comments on this one.

But I am sure many of the people who have previously had a big mouth, in VJ, will go quiet in this issue..

It's midnight on the east coast, I am about to go to sleep. If you want this thread to get traction, one of the daytime VJers are gonna have resuscitate this in the AM.

[Ban Hammer 14,469]

One survey of Durham, in North Carolina, found that 59% of Latinos believed few or almost no blacks were hard-working, and a similar proportion reckoned few or almost none could be trusted. Fewer than one in ten whites felt the same way.

interesting.........

I am going to love to see people's comments on this one.

But I am sure many of the people who have previously had a big mouth, in VJ, will go quiet in this issue..

It's midnight on the east coast, I am about to go to sleep. If you want this thread to get traction, one of the daytime VJers are gonna have resuscitate this in the AM.

i thought you didn't sleep?

[Caladan 19]

One survey of Durham, in North Carolina, found that 59% of Latinos believed few or almost no blacks were hard-working, and a similar proportion reckoned few or almost none could be trusted. Fewer than one in ten whites felt the same way.

interesting.........

I am going to love to see people's comments on this one.

But I am sure many of the people who have previously had a big mouth, in VJ, will go quiet in this issue..

Not too surprising. One ethnic group has a negative opinion of another ethnic group. (cf., Irish cops vs. Italizan mafioso) In other news, the sky is blue.

[Ban Hammer 14,469]

One survey of Durham, in North Carolina, found that 59% of Latinos believed few or almost no blacks were hard-working, and a similar proportion reckoned few or almost none could be trusted. Fewer than one in ten whites felt the same way.

interesting.........

I am going to love to see people's comments on this one.

But I am sure many of the people who have previously had a big mouth, in VJ, will go quiet in this issue..

Not too surprising. One ethnic group has a negative opinion of another ethnic group. (cf., Irish cops vs. Italizan mafioso) In other news, the sky is blue.

and anglos are boring

[Heracles 417]

One survey of Durham, in North Carolina, found that 59% of Latinos believed few or almost no blacks were hard-working, and a similar proportion reckoned few or almost none could be trusted. Fewer than one in ten whites felt the same way.

interesting.........

I am going to love to see people's comments on this one.

But I am sure many of the people who have previously had a big mouth, in VJ, will go quiet in this issue..

Not too surprising. One ethnic group has a negative opinion of another ethnic group. (cf., Irish cops vs. Italizan mafioso) In other news, the sky is blue.

I knew you would conveniently miss the main point:

Blacks fared worst: they comprise just 9% of the population of Los Angeles County but were the victims of 59% of all race-hate crimes. Seven times out of ten, their persecutors were Latino. Hispanics, who make up almost half the population, were victimised by blacks eight-tenths of the time. These numbers greatly understate the violence. They do not, for example, include the victims of a dozen interracial prison riots last year, which left two dead.

Edited August 31, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Wonder where in LA this is taking place - a no-brainer IMO.

[Scott & Lai 12]

Not too surprising. One ethnic group has a negative opinion of another ethnic group. (cf., Irish cops vs. Italizan mafioso) In other news, the sky is blue.

With those two groups, ethnicity is incidental; the key words are "cops" and "mafioso." Law enforcement and criminal thugs usually have negative opinions of each other, regardless of what their respective ethnicities may be.

[Stabu 0]

My question is, what does it matter what the physical appearances of the criminal or the victim are or what the motive behind the crime is?

If A is pink and B is red and A kills B, B is equally dead as he would be if A would be blue and B would be brown.

In the same manner, A can kill B because I) he dislikes B's garden gnomes, II) he wants to rob B, III) he was told to do so by little green men, IIII) he dislikes B's grand mother, V) he thinks B has sex with his dog, VI) he just wanted to kill B for no reason or VII) he dislikes B's hair color etc. (this being a hate crime). In the end A kills B and B ends up dead. If I would end up dead I would find no comfort in knowing that "A didn't kill me because of my origins but because he disliked my garden gnomes".

Of course there are statistics that point out that especially Blacks, but up to some degree Hispanics, commit more crime than Whites or Asians. For an extremely politically incorrect statistical analysis press here.

After pointing that out it's important to know that there's no such thing as an "aggregate of Blacks" doing damage to an "aggregate of Whites", there are only individual Blacks doing damage to individual Whites (and vice versa). I'm not saying that statistics or stereotyping is useless, it isn't. If you have a lion in your living room you are not going to ask if it likes tee, you're going to escape since in most cases lions are rather dangerous to men. The posts above point this out and make the readers subconsciously understand that this should be a reason to restrict the immigration of Hispanics. Using this analogy it would make even more sense to restrict the immigration of males, since males (regardless of looks) conduct far more crimes then females (including over 99% of all rapes committed).

I'm not saying that there wouldn't be any good reasons for restricting immigration - there are. An utilitarian welfare calculation is just not a very good one.

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

i had not seen the numbers, but i have read about the hispanic gangs dealing out violence on blacks. really sad situation all around. special effort should be exercised to get these scumbags off the streets.

Daniel

:energetic:

[peejay 327]

I grew up in Texas with US born Hispanics, went to school with them, worked with them, hung out with them, etc., etc. The left wing White liberals always love to talk about White racism. From personal experience I have heard some Hispanics say things about Blacks in my presence that would fit right in with the KKK. When Jenifer Lopez was with Puff Daddy some of the Hispanic guys I know were outraged and said some pretty nasty things about it. Hispanics have the equivalent of the "N" word in Spanish and I have heard it spoken frequently by some of them.

Nothing new here. It may be new news to White folks that live in gated yuppie communities or immerse themselves in liberal university life, but if actually you get out in the big wide world at large you see and hear a lot of stuff some folks would rather not acknowlege. Yes...peoples that cry racism themselves can often be quite racist themselves.

I saw the same with Blacks toward the Vietnamese/Cambodians in the 1970's when I was in the United Steelworkers Union and working in a manufacturing plant. There were quite a lot of Blacks in the union that hated the Vietnamese and Cambodian boat people, made fun of them and made their life miserable while at work. They didn't like White boys like me either and I have had to deal with with a ration of sh*t from time to time in my life.

I have to scoff at folks that contend that minorities cannot be racist because they lack the institutional infrastructure to implement it. Another liberal misconception/deception. It plays well in some venues, but I don't buy it.

[Heracles 417]

My question is, what does it matter what the physical appearances of the criminal or the victim are or what the motive behind the crime is?

I don't think is is about color but the demographics.. We live in a world of various backgrounds, cultures, norms, traditions etc.

What I would like to know is how many of those are illegal immigrants..