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[OldUser 9,464]

5 minutes ago, S2N said:

but there’s not been one example given of an actual use case where the claimed federal government benefit lists a CoC in preference to a passport.

My relative who is a naturalized citizen, is employed by a US government agency. Their US passport did not satisfy the employer, certificate of naturalization was requested. I would not be surprised if the same happened to somebody who got their citizenship from parent. I'm pretty sure the employer would have asked for their certificate of citizenship. 

[S2N 213]

5 minutes ago, OldUser said:

My relative who is a naturalized citizen, is employed by a US government agency. Their US passport did not satisfy the employer, certificate of naturalization was requested. I would not be surprised if the same happened to somebody who got their citizenship from parent. I'm pretty sure the employer would have asked for their certificate of citizenship. 

Yes, there are some federal jobs that might, but having gone through the federal employment process many times, they normally just confirm with SSA. Work with many naturalized citizen coworkers who have a TS or TS/SCI; none of them have ever been requested to provide physical proof of citizenship, though they have been asked for passports to verify travel history.

We’re talking edge cases here, and edge cases aren’t a good reason to suggest someone needs to pay $1385 when they can pay $135 and largely have the same benefits except maybe some federal jobs after they become adults.

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[S2N 213]

13 minutes ago, S2N said:

Yes, there are some federal jobs that might, but having gone through the federal employment process many times, they normally just confirm with SSA. Work with many naturalized citizen coworkers who have a TS or TS/SCI; none of them have ever been requested to provide physical proof of citizenship, though they have been asked for passports to verify travel history.

We’re talking edge cases here, and edge cases aren’t a good reason to suggest someone needs to pay $1385 when they can pay $135 and largely have the same benefits except maybe some federal jobs after they become adults.

Was going to edit, but found the DCSA doc here: link

 

Looks like the old A number was how they were able to do it for my naturalized coworkers as that would have triggered SAVES. CoC would probably be needed for this. For US born do it through SSA, which is where I was getting tripped up. Happy to admit I’m wrong on this point.
 

That’s something for parents to consider if it’s worth the costs. I’d personally wait to see if the child wanted to go into federal service in college before paying.

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[OldUser 9,464]

5 minutes ago, S2N said:

Yes, there are some federal jobs that might, but having gone through the federal employment process many times, they normally just confirm with SSA. Work with many naturalized citizen coworkers who have a TS or TS/SCI; none of them have ever been requested to provide physical proof of citizenship, though they have been asked for passports to verify travel history.

We’re talking edge cases here, and edge cases aren’t a good reason to suggest someone needs to pay $1385 when they can pay $135 and largely have the same benefits except maybe some federal jobs after they become adults.

Edge case may hit hard when parents are no longer around and somebody has to reprove their entire immigration history which is easier done by presenting one piece of paper. Never did I say it was required by law. But it's highly recommended. Here's example on VJ for same edge case:

 

In my opinion, the certificate is worth the investement.

 

1) We don't know processing times for certificate in future.

Naturally, the later in life you need it, the more time it may need to produce it (archives to be searched by agency etc).

2) We know almost certainly it will cost a lot more in the future due to fees constantly increasing. This does not include any other fees like legal fees or opportunity cost (cannot renew passport, get a job or get benefits from Social Security etc).

 

Here's such example:

 

 

 

[OldUser 9,464]

12 minutes ago, S2N said:

That’s something for parents to consider if it’s worth the costs. I’d personally wait to see if the child wanted to go into federal service in college before paying.

If I had a child who was a citizen through my naturalization, I'd personally invest into it, but everybody got their priorities. I can't guarantee I'm alive tomorrow when child needs something like this from me.

 

I just can't imagine my son / daughter scrambling around for evidence of how they became citizens many decades later, plus need to pay (let's say) $5000 in fees for it and wait for 1.5 years. And because of this they can't sponsor love of their life from overseas or get the dream job or collect retirement.

 

Many people forego travel insurance when going overseas. Many invest all of their income in crypto. Many gamble in attempt to make money. It all depends on risk tolerance. I don't have high risk tolerance.

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[S2N 213]

19 minutes ago, OldUser said:

If I had a child who was a citizen through my naturalization, I'd personally invest into it, but everybody got their priorities.

 

I just can't imagine my son / daughter scrambling around for evidence of how they became citizens many decades later, plus need to pay (let's say) $5000 in fees for it and wait for 1.5 years. And because of this they can't sponsor love of their life from overseas or get the dream job or collect retirement.

Reading through all the posts, the only one that I see where there were issues other than an employee not following policy, was an adult applying for federal employment where they need something that triggers in SAVES, and in that case the government was fine if they applied for an N-600. USCIS wouldn’t have the authority to overrule a valid passport in this case per their AAO.

 

That is a definitely a valid reason, and parents should be aware of it. Personally, I’d let the child pay for it as an adult in college. I don’t see any real benefit to it, even as someone working in the federal space.

 

I know you never said it was required for proof of citizenship, but it was claimed if it expired someone would be left without proof and that the CoC would be needed. That’s not true. Needing it for a SAVES trigger when completing SF-85/85P/86 is a reason that might appeal to some people, but by the time a child with derivative citizenship today applies for a federal job it’ll probably be a different system and might not be required then.

To me, a social security clerk not doing their job in 60 years and the potential that in 30 years my kid might need to pay for one as a condition of federal employment aren’t reasons for me to pay $1385 now. They might be for some people. We just need to be realistic about what the benefits and costs are.

 

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